Guild Wars 2

After the patch Necro + Ele are top tier in pvp/wvw.

We can tank and we can hit like a truck.

Why do people complain so much and being greedy.

Only thing I want is probably buff on axe and some of utility skill buffs.

Reveal buff? Lol why do we even need this to kill a thief? My power necro dominates 1v1 against thief most of the time even without reveal buff. Only problem is mesmer but it will be nerfed soon imo.

top tier ? Oh i guess that´s why top tier pvp teams don´t run with necro´s that much because we are too OP and they want to keep it interesting.

yes that makes absolute sense

cheers mate

well.. don t follow high matches, but i can see a real change of gameplay.. after 3 years i have finally enojoyed play necro..
ok, still hate warriors, but i can manage every profession, generally in 2v1 i don t die and also in 3v1 i can handle a point for several seconds
i like new necro

if that is enough for you, don´t die in a 2v1 for a time and holding a point for a few seconds, well then i guess you have found your perfect profession.

Youre plain wrong, nothing else. (For pvp, that is.)

Ele is nr1-2 and in S-tier with mesmer atm.

Necro is 7th, before ranger, both a clear tier behind warri/engie.

Idk what builds you had in mind, but short story is no team wants or needs a necro, and the ones who take a great necro player need to work a lot around him for medium results.

Top tier lmao, best post ever. Condi Necor can still kill most 1v1 but even for them a PU Mesmer is most often to hard now. Cant hit what u cant see and PU can do there rotaion then stealth wait for CD’s… repeat. I agree we around 6-7th place atm in most aspects

I only played a bit of PvP, but…well even I can see we’re nowhere near top tier. No mobility, no team support, can take an honestly good condo build because we have to dedicate at least 2 of our utilities to survive focus fire.

Deathshroud has no way to deal with CC chains, so easily focused down. No stability, so easy to interrupt, the changes to movement skills made it so we have no way to actually lockdown our opponent, and our CC is tied to a condition, that can be cleansed with any normal condition cleanse, and lasts shorter than a traditional hammer smack.

We have the potential to be top tier with the right buffs, but anet has shown that whenever they give US a buff, directly or indirectly, they have to do something to make it meaningless. Probably don’t even mean to, just the way things work ou. Ah well PvP in this game is a joke anyways.

@mordran.4750
dude, i play for fun, like 90% of players.. i just know one thing: people always complaint.. you go on mesmer community, u’ll read complaints, same for thief, mesmer and ele
the point is if you can fulfill your task. when i play with my team mates, my task is to roam and take points or hold them.. and i can do it very well.. take time fighting 2v1 means your mates are 4v3.
wanna talk?? ok.. necro atm has at least 2 fears, excellent condi clear, good controll and good sustained damage. Plus, he s a tough profession due to high pf and armor ( with cele u rech 2500)
maybe in tournameints is not played too much, but who of you plays at high elo torunameints?? i thing people speak just because others do.
i’ll be honest.. till last december i didn t like the necro, couldn t found his dimention, but i feel the differences right now.
maybe is not enough, but the way is this
more, i didn t lose a single 1v1, and i m not an excellent player.. what i m saying is: i don t believe necro is trash.. i enjoy play him and he s very resilient
i play thief too.. trust me, it s a piece of glass

Why so many complain?

In short, let’s just say that it’s because the necromancer have a lot of room to be improved and reach the level of teamplay of the others professions.

Flumek.9043:

Youre plain wrong, nothing else. (For pvp, that is.)

Ele is nr1-2 and in S-tier with mesmer atm.

Necro is 7th, before ranger, both a clear tier behind warri/engie.

Idk what builds you had in mind, but short story is no team wants or needs a necro, and the ones who take a great necro player need to work a lot around him for medium results.

LOL necro is 7th? lmao u make me laugh.

I do agree ele and mesmers are a bit op atm but when i played my necro i hardly lose to any other class other than memser/good ranger that kites, lol necro is at least top 3.
so u guys are expecting mobility , stability , reveal ? why dont u just ask dev to let necro have everything and be op facerolling? I see so many qq on necro forum compare to other classess.

MidoriMarch.8067:

Why so much complain from necroes?

Here are the reasons:
http://www.tentonhammer.com/feature/guild-wars-2-are-necromancers-really-so-bad

I don’t think Necromancers are top tier in sPvP, but they are not on the bottom either.

The problem in sPvP is that a certain Ele build & 2 Mesmer builds are dominating too hard right now. See http://metabattle.com/wiki/MetaBattle_Wiki and go to the Ranked Arena Tab

MidoriMarch.8067:

LOL necro is 7th? lmao u make me laugh.

I do agree ele and mesmers are a bit op atm but when i played my necro i hardly lose to any other class other than memser/good ranger that kites, lol necro is at least top 3.
so u guys are expecting mobility , stability , reveal ? why dont u just ask dev to let necro have everything and be op facerolling? I see so many qq on necro forum compare to other classess.

It’s not the ability to 1v1 that bothers me, it’s the ability that it is good for anything but 1v1 that bothers me. That and some completely unused stuff.

@MidoriMarch The reason behind so many necro complaints is because of the mountain of nerfs and bad design choices that plague necromancers. You can search the subforum and find thread after thread on every single nerf from the recent chilling darkness to god awful minion ai. The most common thing about all of them is that some of the nerfs were based off of perfect theoretical situations that would never come up. So when you have to deal with issues like these constantly for a product you paid for yeah you are going to get complaints.

MidoriMarch.8067:

Flumek.9043:

Youre plain wrong, nothing else. (For pvp, that is.)

Ele is nr1-2 and in S-tier with mesmer atm.

Necro is 7th, before ranger, both a clear tier behind warri/engie.

Idk what builds you had in mind, but short story is no team wants or needs a necro, and the ones who take a great necro player need to work a lot around him for medium results.

LOL necro is 7th? lmao u make me laugh.

I do agree ele and mesmers are a bit op atm but when i played my necro i hardly lose to any other class other than memser/good ranger that kites, lol necro is at least top 3.
so u guys are expecting mobility , stability , reveal ? why dont u just ask dev to let necro have everything and be op facerolling? I see so many qq on necro forum compare to other classess.

How would you rank the classes from top to bottom?

It seems we agree that Ele and mesmer are 1 & 2.

That leaves: Ranger, Necro, Warrior, Engi, Guard, thief

I think we can agree that rangers are the bottom right now.

So what you are saying is that necro is better than engi, guard, thief, and warrior…

Warrior who can 1 shot kill an entire team using certain builds right now while being 100% invuln?

Engi who can stack 10K+ burning ticks + every other condition repeatedly, while also doing great direct damage, have amazing heals, and stealth?

Thief who can burst 30K+, give the team stealth, heal to full in stealth, and move around the map 5x faster than necro?

Guard… well I don’t play a guard so I don’t actually know what they can do… maybe someone else can fill in here.

In a team fight a necro brings nothing but damage. Damage that is slower, harder to apply and less consistent then other classes. We have no way to avoid focus fire, so any team with a necro is immediately down 1 player since there is nothing a necro can do to escape and come back with.

I’ll admit that necro can 1v1 thieves and engineers pretty well, but that does not make them below necros.

Nec is bottom tier in PvP still right above ranger atm. That’s just because of how it’s designed though to be too unique and not given things everything else has.

I agree we are still in the WvW meta.

I agree the seeing stealth idea is kind of silly and not needed.

The same complaints you are seeing now are the same complaints that have been going on for years so it’s not like you should be surprised if you come to the forums and see them.

MidoriMarch.8067:

After the patch Necro + Ele are top tier in pvp/wvw.

LOL. Necro is far from top tier in pvp. If there so OP why aren’t all the top teams running them?

Also please don’t make balance threads based on the WvW zerg, Anet doesnt balance around that.

MidoriMarch.8067:

We can tank and we can hit like a truck.

Why do people complain so much and being greedy.

You can tank at the start of the game with 0 lifeforce? We don’t tank kitten. We have no hard defence skills and we start the game with no deathshroud. Your not tanking anything.

People aren’t greedy for wanting balance.

MidoriMarch.8067:

Only thing I want is probably buff on axe and some of utility skill buffs.

So let me get this straight, Because YOU personally don’t care about anything but axe and utility skills, Nobody else should?

MidoriMarch.8067:

Reveal buff? Lol why do we even need this to kill a thief? My power necro dominates 1v1 against thief most of the time even without reveal buff.

Thief isn’t the only class with stealth. I don’t think anyone moaned about thiefs.

That being said. Again, You are not the only person anet are balancing around. Not everyone is a power necro.

MidoriMarch.8067:

Only problem is mesmer but it will be nerfed soon imo.

“In my opinion.” Our first balance patch was tiny tweaks and ajustments. I don’t think mesmer will get nerfed anytime soon because of the way the class functions, It needs to be tweaked carefully to not be made useless.

MidoriMarch.8067:

LOL necro is 7th? lmao u make me laugh.

I’m not sure why that makes you laugh, I’d say hes spot on. Both ranger and necro still lack the survival skills to play glass like other classes and can’t play tankier specs due to limit support. Condi is just out of the question with shoutbow around.

MidoriMarch.8067:

I do agree ele and mesmers are a bit op atm but when i played my necro i hardly lose to any other class other than memser/good ranger that kites

You beating bad people doesn’t mean necro is strong.

MidoriMarch.8067:

lol necro is at least top 3.

I don’t know why you keep saying lol. Are you trolling? It’s not funny.
Necro isn’t anywhere near top 3.

MidoriMarch.8067:

so u guys are expecting mobility , stability , reveal ? why dont u just ask dev to let necro have everything and be op facerolling?

“You guys” we don’t all sign a necro needs buff petition on character creation. People post their individual ideas. Nobody wants them ALL, Point me to a thread where someone is asking for ALL of them.

The fact is stealth should have more counterplay full stop, Not just from necro.
We have a bunch of long casttimes and are getting more with reaper so yes a tiny bit of stability outside of deathshroud would be great.
I tiny bit of mobility would be great too, seeing as both our viable power weapons will be melee when reaper hits and chill no longer effects movement.

You say “Mobility AND stability” like you shouldn’t have both. Yet every other class in the game has access to more of BOTH (Except thief stability and maybe gaurdian mobility which still both have more of the other kind.)

MidoriMarch.8067:

I see so many qq on necro forum compare to other classess.

Yes because i’m sure the mesmers would be crying that they’re so UP right now. Isn’t this just the answer to the question you asked?

People are posting suggestions to bring out class on par with other classes.

MidoriMarch.8067:

After the patch Necro + Ele are top tier in pvp/wvw.
•Have you went against an interrupt mesmer?

We can tank and we can hit like a truck.
•Not every necro runs power builds. And that “tank” can be interruped and stun locked for days.

Why do people complain so much and being greedy.
•It’s called constructive criticism, not complaining. Letting devs about suggestions to make the class better is not being greedy either.

Only thing I want is probably buff on axe and some of utility skill buffs.
•True but it’s probably low priority on that list of fixes.

Reveal buff? Lol why do we even need this to kill a thief? My power necro dominates 1v1 against thief most of the time even without reveal buff. Only problem is mesmer but it will be nerfed soon imo.

•Once more, not every necro runs power builds. And I think a reveal i’s kinda a good thing, seeing devs hung ho about giving Dragon hunter a reveal.

i thiknk reveal buff is not necessary. i strongly believe that stealth spam IS unnecessary..
but it s another thing.
i think that anet is balancing ( or try to do it ) in the worst manner.. right now the guardians can do to many things.. like mesmers.. donno, but they should lead classes in one direction.. not thousan of them.. a dps can t have sustained dmg, 5 sec of block, 5 sec of invulnerability, 4 sec of stability ecc..
i play necro and thief
thief has a lot of dmg, but lacks in survability, and it s fair
necro is balanced imo
mesmer and guardian, holy moly no!!
they should work on them, not on us right now

How can anyone say necro is top tier. There was a tournament literally days ago… how many necros were there again?

Azure.8670:

How can anyone say necro is top tier. There was a tournament literally days ago… how many necros were there again?

Well of the 4 teams they showed on the NA stream, there was a necromancer used in two of the teams, compared to one engi and no rangers.

The necromancers were pheownix of slippery dingo wranglers and noscoc of course, on the abjured. They both ran the cele signet build.

Also the big damage, who plays bunker guard on radiactive is a necro main (overpowered necro is his necro’s name). Before the patch he mainly played zerker necro and medi guard but he hasn’t played necro as much.

Anyway, the representation of the necromancer isn’t as dire as it seems. I mean all the engis besides chaithh have backed away since the faceroll cele build was gutted for them. While necromancer is a slightly niche pick, it can still definitely work, because inGW2’s pvp, rotation,s communication, and teamwork mean far more than what class or build you play as long as you play what you like, what you’re good at, and try to balance the team accordingly as much as possible.

MidoriMarch.8067:

Flumek.9043:

Youre plain wrong, nothing else. (For pvp, that is.)

Ele is nr1-2 and in S-tier with mesmer atm.

Necro is 7th, before ranger, both a clear tier behind warri/engie.

Idk what builds you had in mind, but short story is no team wants or needs a necro, and the ones who take a great necro player need to work a lot around him for medium results.

LOL necro is 7th? lmao u make me laugh.

I do agree ele and mesmers are a bit op atm but when i played my necro i hardly lose to any other class other than memser/good ranger that kites, lol necro is at least top 3.
so u guys are expecting mobility , stability , reveal ? why dont u just ask dev to let necro have everything and be op facerolling? I see so many qq on necro forum compare to other classess.

1) thief. Why? Cz teef.
Apex predator for other zerkers, stealth and decap bot. Not op in fighting atm, could get replaced even by good mesmer. Mes/ele are actual top1-2, i just wrote thief first cz 98/100 serious pvp teams in all 3 years had thief. Why? Cz teef

2) mesmer.
Currently very OP.

3) ele.
Currently OP for 2v1 holding, with very high escape chance. Stacking 2x eles is legit comp
Burning dmg also stronk but it mostly helps necros and can be smally tweaked

4) guard
Classic bunker guard – nothing wrong with it tho. Quickness shout quite strong. Its stronger if other zerkers are strong, weaker if cele meta is king. Currently theres thief/mesmer/rampage zerkers that are worth supporting.

5) Rampage.
Previously class called warrior.

6) engie
Not op as many thought it would be. If rampage gets balanced, it should overtake its 5th spot or stay in the same tier boat with it. Not yet settled, can be higher but not lower

7) necro
Cele necro – good 1v1 , but takes 1min to win fight while it can die in 5-10s without elite. Zero team support, good dmg and boon/condi pressure, gets focused in teamfight.
Bunker necro (honorable mention cz it got reworked from trash to actually fun and almost good) – still too little team support beside being a sponge.

8) ranger
Power ranger = a mesmer who traded everything for 300 more range
Condi ranger = more dmg, more survival, but again 0 support and unique stuff compared to cele ele/engie

Ill write team roles , this should help you see that even with the exceptions of some players taking a build and making a good team comp, ask yourself if a equaly skiled player of another class would do that role (or more) better, easier, on lower cd or with less risk?

Team roles:
1) support: heal, cleanse, rezz/stomp with stability, blind or transform, CC for peels, interupts, setting up burst or keeping cc chain

2) mobility. Simply get somewhere fast. NOW

3) damage and pressure
-burst dmg (direct or condi)
-constant sustainec dmg (direct or condi)
-aoe cleave
-pressure to make enemy spend their cooldowns (example corupt boon or spite signet on power necro – it doesnt do much dmg and the cripple alone isnt a perfect setup, but it 100% forces a big cleanse or retreat from enemy)

4) specific counter to enemy
Moa elixir vs rampage example

If 1v1s in a 300 radius circle mattered, we would all be minionmancers.

Pretty much what Flumek said. Necro builds are decent at either burst damage(wells), sustain damage(conditions/cele), debuffs, or tanking (bunkers or cele). That doesn’t compete with other classes which can bring support, damage, mobility, and/or unique utility all in one build. Honestly, unless the fix our mobility we would have to be super op at fighting, support, and/or tanking to be worth taking. Right now we are average at those things at best, and don’t bring any mobility.
Why bring a cele necro who brings pressure, sustain damage, and decent sustain when you can bring an ele who brings pressures, sustain damage, burst damage, superb sustain, cc resistance, support, and great mobility? Why bring a power necro that bring burst damage, and pressure when you can bring a warrior that brings great mobility, pressure, burst damage, and more cc than anyone can deal with?

necro is fine and number 1 the only way i die in spvp is if i get zerged to death over and over due to the fact i put alot od pressure on the team. mesmers and eles are a joke and you must be doing something wrong if you die to them. and necros have team support, but you all are either to dumb to find the build. ps if you are running the same buuld pre update, might wanna change it.
also necros dont need stab, learn to play/out think other people.

All these “who cares what’s played on top tier if most people don’t play in top tier” are so silly.
People play what they play in top tier because it’s arguably the best choice. They play to win so they play what has the highest chance of winning.

How can you even argue that? It’s like saying every class and build combo is equal cuz they all can win in hotjoin. This negates the reason for any balance ever since anything can technically win, no?
lol.

Necros are near the top at fighting. Problem with PvP is that most of it is not team death match. Mobility plays a large role in the higher team ranked meta and necro is not that dominant at fights to really make that up.

robertul.3679:

People play what they play in top tier because it’s arguably the best choice. They play to win so they play what has the highest chance of winning.

Not true. Top meta strats are not always the best for the tier you are at. For examples, in League of Legends, jungling will make you lose the game until you start playing with top laners who won’t feed a duo group.

necros are one of the most dominate classes

ZudetGambeous.9573:

MidoriMarch.8067:

Flumek.9043:

Youre plain wrong, nothing else. (For pvp, that is.)

Ele is nr1-2 and in S-tier with mesmer atm.

Necro is 7th, before ranger, both a clear tier behind warri/engie.

Idk what builds you had in mind, but short story is no team wants or needs a necro, and the ones who take a great necro player need to work a lot around him for medium results.

LOL necro is 7th? lmao u make me laugh.

I do agree ele and mesmers are a bit op atm but when i played my necro i hardly lose to any other class other than memser/good ranger that kites, lol necro is at least top 3.
so u guys are expecting mobility , stability , reveal ? why dont u just ask dev to let necro have everything and be op facerolling? I see so many qq on necro forum compare to other classess.

How would you rank the classes from top to bottom?

It seems we agree that Ele and mesmer are 1 & 2.

That leaves: Ranger, Necro, Warrior, Engi, Guard, thief

I think we can agree that rangers are the bottom right now.

So what you are saying is that necro is better than engi, guard, thief, and warrior…

Warrior who can 1 shot kill an entire team using certain builds right now while being 100% invuln?

Engi who can stack 10K+ burning ticks + every other condition repeatedly, while also doing great direct damage, have amazing heals, and stealth?

Thief who can burst 30K+, give the team stealth, heal to full in stealth, and move around the map 5x faster than necro?

Guard… well I don’t play a guard so I don’t actually know what they can do… maybe someone else can fill in here.

In a team fight a necro brings nothing but damage. Damage that is slower, harder to apply and less consistent then other classes. We have no way to avoid focus fire, so any team with a necro is immediately down 1 player since there is nothing a necro can do to escape and come back with.

I’ll admit that necro can 1v1 thieves and engineers pretty well, but that does not make them below necros.

LOL WHAT? whats up with those kittened 30k burst 10k burning ticks from?

More likely no one will just stand there get hit by full burst from them unless u are a noob. and 10k burning ticks? do u not know how to use condi removal? Do u just watch burn ticks go up like crazy doing nothing? What u are talking is absolutely absurd.

I see so many tears from necroes.

Just because tournament team doesnt run necro doesnt mean its bottom tier trash profession lol the logic. It’s true that necro are in good place right now thats why so many people in spvp/wvw runs it so stop crying just because necroes doesnt have everything. stability/mobility isnt mean to be necro’s

lol at “one shot wars”. one shot means one skill used. smh

my only issue would be … there are not enough dmg on weapon skills.

you have to slot well or signet power regarding to your build to help up the burst.

when you have to spend slot for burst. it really hurts your mobility so…

and oh plz i’m not counting that DS 1 spamming. That’s way more boring than pew pew ranger

Well the way I see it, having good mobility will never happen for the necromancer. It would be way too strong with how tanky necros are and how great they are in 1v1s.

I do think that many of the things reaper will bring will make the loss in mobility seem like a non-issue by increasing the personal power level of necromancers in teamfights. In particular, reaper shroud is a huge improvement over the current deathshroud for pretty much every build. Most of its skills are fast, and it even has a short range gap close. Lets not forget stability, infusing terror gives pulsing (read: functionally irremovable) stability on what will probably still be a 20 second cooldown.

One of the other big problems I’ve noticed when playing cele necro is that there isn’t really much downed cleave. In an enemy wants to get the rez, they will get it unless they’re very low on health or don’t have the stunbreak/cleanse to take a fear or WH daze. Reaper Shroud looks like it will give fantastic downcleave. The GS will also have great downcleave, but it may not be needed if RS fulfills that job well enough. Its a slow and powerful weapon, and I see it as being a better teamfight weapon than a 1v1 weapon compared to dagger/warhorn.

Anyway my point is that reaper will give necromancers most of what they need to be good to be mobile, and I honestly don’t think the mobility will be that needed when everything else looks to be quite strong.

just enhance life blast, just do it.. faster.. it s slow as hell lol
anyway, i think it s just a justified overcriticism, like in others communities, though, necro needs something more, in dmg i mean, dps or sustained, just a little bit, because the 1v1 generally are long 1 minute, can t be possible

1v1 is meaningless and abused by stealth and tailored 1v1 builds. In Teamfights Necro should always be first target to focus down, because he has no escapes, no stability and is therefor easily shut down. You can still play successfully if you and your team knows this and you play accordingly. Downstate is also the most useless of all classes.

danlarusso.2790:

1v1 is meaningless and abused by stealth and tailored 1v1 builds. In Teamfights Necro should always be first target to focus down, because he has no escapes, no stability and is therefor easily shut down. You can still play successfully if you and your team knows this and you play accordingly. Downstate is also the most useless of all classes.

Please do this. While your team is wasting your time, my team will have long since wiped the group silly enough to focus down the tanky-est class in the game.

Liza.2758:

my only issue would be … there are not enough dmg on weapon skills.

you have to slot well or signet power regarding to your build to help up the burst.

when you have to spend slot for burst. it really hurts your mobility so…

and oh plz i’m not counting that DS 1 spamming. That’s way more boring than pew pew ranger

dagger auto attack is one of the deadliest akills ingame.

MidoriMarch.8067:

Just because tournament team doesnt run necro doesnt mean its bottom tier trash profession lol the logic. It’s true that necro are in good place right now thats why so many people in spvp/wvw runs it so stop crying just because necroes doesnt have everything. stability/mobility isnt mean to be necro’s

Actually, having tournament teams consistently, for most of three years now, not run with a Necro is a reason why it’s considered bottom tier.

While Necro has been in WvW meta for some time, the game isn’t balanced around WvW.

Marthkus.4615:

danlarusso.2790:

1v1 is meaningless and abused by stealth and tailored 1v1 builds. In Teamfights Necro should always be first target to focus down, because he has no escapes, no stability and is therefor easily shut down. You can still play successfully if you and your team knows this and you play accordingly. Downstate is also the most useless of all classes.

Please do this. While your team is wasting your time, my team will have long since wiped the group silly enough to focus down the tanky-est class in the game.

Teach the Necro community how it’s supposed to be done. After all, three years should be enough time for some in the Necro community to finally get good with the class.

You and OP should stream your tournament matches so we can all learn how it should be done.

MidoriMarch.8067:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

MidoriMarch.8067:

Flumek.9043:

Youre plain wrong, nothing else. (For pvp, that is.)

Ele is nr1-2 and in S-tier with mesmer atm.

Necro is 7th, before ranger, both a clear tier behind warri/engie.

Idk what builds you had in mind, but short story is no team wants or needs a necro, and the ones who take a great necro player need to work a lot around him for medium results.

LOL necro is 7th? lmao u make me laugh.

I do agree ele and mesmers are a bit op atm but when i played my necro i hardly lose to any other class other than memser/good ranger that kites, lol necro is at least top 3.
so u guys are expecting mobility , stability , reveal ? why dont u just ask dev to let necro have everything and be op facerolling? I see so many qq on necro forum compare to other classess.

How would you rank the classes from top to bottom?

It seems we agree that Ele and mesmer are 1 & 2.

That leaves: Ranger, Necro, Warrior, Engi, Guard, thief

I think we can agree that rangers are the bottom right now.

So what you are saying is that necro is better than engi, guard, thief, and warrior…

Warrior who can 1 shot kill an entire team using certain builds right now while being 100% invuln?

Engi who can stack 10K+ burning ticks + every other condition repeatedly, while also doing great direct damage, have amazing heals, and stealth?

Thief who can burst 30K+, give the team stealth, heal to full in stealth, and move around the map 5x faster than necro?

Guard… well I don’t play a guard so I don’t actually know what they can do… maybe someone else can fill in here.

In a team fight a necro brings nothing but damage. Damage that is slower, harder to apply and less consistent then other classes. We have no way to avoid focus fire, so any team with a necro is immediately down 1 player since there is nothing a necro can do to escape and come back with.

I’ll admit that necro can 1v1 thieves and engineers pretty well, but that does not make them below necros.

LOL WHAT? whats up with those kittened 30k burst 10k burning ticks from?

More likely no one will just stand there get hit by full burst from them unless u are a noob. and 10k burning ticks? do u not know how to use condi removal? Do u just watch burn ticks go up like crazy doing nothing? What u are talking is absolutely absurd.

I see so many tears from necroes.

Just because tournament team doesnt run necro doesnt mean its bottom tier trash profession lol the logic. It’s true that necro are in good place right now thats why so many people in spvp/wvw runs it so stop crying just because necroes doesnt have everything. stability/mobility isnt mean to be necro’s

So you’re arguing that we should balance based on hotjoin instead of tournaments?

I see the problem now, you’ve never played a ranked match before. Yes I will admit it is very easy to WTF stomp noobs of every class with necro in hotjoin.

If you are “dominating” Thieves in 1v1, you’re playing aganst bad thieves (or worse than you, at least). End of story, that’s all there is to it.

Marthkus.4615:

Necros are near the top at fighting. Problem with PvP is that most of it is not team death match. Mobility plays a large role in the higher team ranked meta and necro is not that dominant at fights to really make that up.

Necromancer is worse on courtyard than it is on Conquest.

No ranged defense, no escapes, no way to prevent disengage, feeble ranged damage….

courtyard is necros best friend. and isnt bottom tier, i think alot of you dont knowhow to play necro.
ps i win against theifs all the time, because i know gow to counter them. that doesnt make them bad

danlarusso.2790:

1v1 is meaningless and abused by stealth and tailored 1v1 builds. In Teamfights Necro should always be first target to focus down, because he has no escapes, no stability and is therefor easily shut down. You can still play successfully if you and your team knows this and you play accordingly. Downstate is also the most useless of all classes.

so, the task is to shut down the tank first? :\

Sparda.9750:

danlarusso.2790:

1v1 is meaningless and abused by stealth and tailored 1v1 builds. In Teamfights Necro should always be first target to focus down, because he has no escapes, no stability and is therefor easily shut down. You can still play successfully if you and your team knows this and you play accordingly. Downstate is also the most useless of all classes.

so, the task is to shut down the tank first? :\

Yeah you should focus D/P thieves, mesmers, and other dps classes before necro unless it’s a well-lich necro.

I’ve gotten lots of flack for focusing thieves first, but they die if sneezed on, and forcing them out of a fight is almost as useful as killing them outright.

Axelwarrior.9084:

If you are “dominating” Thieves in 1v1, you’re playing aganst bad thieves (or worse than you, at least). End of story, that’s all there is to it.

nope,power necro after patch kills thieves easly cause thieves got nerfed hard.

Sandrox.9524:

Axelwarrior.9084:

If you are “dominating” Thieves in 1v1, you’re playing aganst bad thieves (or worse than you, at least). End of story, that’s all there is to it.

nope,power necro after patch kills thieves easly cause thieves got nerfed hard.

You have no idea what you’re talking about lol….thief got nothing but buffs and now they hit harder than ever. Any half decent thief that doesn’t just sit and eat your damage will spin circles around you and destroy you. Don’t be disillusioned because you play against less skilled opponents.

Bottom line was necro fell behind comparatively to other classes simply because power creep didn’t hit us as hard. We do 20-30% less damage than before with a marauder amulet compared to old zerk for a net gain of 8% extra crit and 3k hp. If you decide to go zerk ammy then good luck surviving Mesmer burst or thief backstab with that base 19k hp. You’re basically asking to get insta-bursted even if you have full DS.

Genesis.7693:

Sandrox.9524:

Axelwarrior.9084:

If you are “dominating” Thieves in 1v1, you’re playing aganst bad thieves (or worse than you, at least). End of story, that’s all there is to it.

nope,power necro after patch kills thieves easly cause thieves got nerfed hard.

You have no idea what you’re talking about lol….thief got nothing but buffs and now they hit harder than ever. Any half decent thief that doesn’t just sit and eat your damage will spin circles around you and destroy you. Don’t be disillusioned because you play against less skilled opponents.

Bottom line was necro fell behind comparatively to other classes simply because power creep didn’t hit us as hard. We do 20-30% less damage than before with a marauder amulet compared to old zerk for a net gain of 8% extra crit and 3k hp. If you decide to go zerk ammy then good luck surviving Mesmer burst or thief backstab with that base 19k hp. You’re basically asking to get insta-bursted even if you have full DS.

Thats why you shouldn’t go marauder amulet. Celestial builds are great now because of the might stacking and they are pretty durable, so you can actually survive some focus fire as long as you aren’t getting completely chain CCed. Reaper will probably work better with marauder for obvious reasons.

Genesis.7693:

Sandrox.9524:

Axelwarrior.9084:

If you are “dominating” Thieves in 1v1, you’re playing aganst bad thieves (or worse than you, at least). End of story, that’s all there is to it.

nope,power necro after patch kills thieves easly cause thieves got nerfed hard.

You have no idea what you’re talking about lol….thief got nothing but buffs and now they hit harder than ever. Any half decent thief that doesn’t just sit and eat your damage will spin circles around you and destroy you. Don’t be disillusioned because you play against less skilled opponents.

Bottom line was necro fell behind comparatively to other classes simply because power creep didn’t hit us as hard. We do 20-30% less damage than before with a marauder amulet compared to old zerk for a net gain of 8% extra crit and 3k hp. If you decide to go zerk ammy then good luck surviving Mesmer burst or thief backstab with that base 19k hp. You’re basically asking to get insta-bursted even if you have full DS.

Zerking… On Necro… In PvP?

Dear lord what has dungeons done to you?

We have no mobility, no vigor, no invul frames, and barely any stab and you want to play glass?

Sparda.9750:

danlarusso.2790:

1v1 is meaningless and abused by stealth and tailored 1v1 builds. In Teamfights Necro should always be first target to focus down, because he has no escapes, no stability and is therefor easily shut down. You can still play successfully if you and your team knows this and you play accordingly. Downstate is also the most useless of all classes.

so, the task is to shut down the tank first? :\

The problem is necros are not true tanks. We’re at best a selfish healer class if you want to compare the old trinity system. We can be ok damage dealers if we can somehow lock down an opponent, but we certainly are not true tanks. Without invun, blocks vigor and good stability we can ‘t tank. We can last longer than most in a straight up slugfest (no real gameplay just AA til one dies) because of high health and, DS and heals but we can’t survive or escape focus fire. A true tank should be able to survive a focused spike.

Genesis.7693:

Sandrox.9524:

Axelwarrior.9084:

If you are “dominating” Thieves in 1v1, you’re playing aganst bad thieves (or worse than you, at least). End of story, that’s all there is to it.

nope,power necro after patch kills thieves easly cause thieves got nerfed hard.

You have no idea what you’re talking about lol….thief got nothing but buffs and now they hit harder than ever. Any half decent thief that doesn’t just sit and eat your damage will spin circles around you and destroy you. Don’t be disillusioned because you play against less skilled opponents.

Bottom line was necro fell behind comparatively to other classes simply because power creep didn’t hit us as hard. We do 20-30% less damage than before with a marauder amulet compared to old zerk for a net gain of 8% extra crit and 3k hp. If you decide to go zerk ammy then good luck surviving Mesmer burst or thief backstab with that base 19k hp. You’re basically asking to get insta-bursted even if you have full DS.

Ohhh but I do!! I one of the few power FULL GLASS necros that roam in wvw constantly,and I tell you this,not a single d/p thief or d/d thief for that matter has ever beat me in wvw and I roamed for about 4 months,and now I can beat S/d ones too which pre patch it was very hard and I did 20+ duels against top ranked thieves from my server.The one thing I cant do is beat a thief all the time with no DS at all on start.
Now,Necro is not only my top play class-it is the thief aswell,so in thief prespective you dont know the half of what you talking about,thieves got super nerfed,you go ahead and check thief forums we are desperate times my friend…