Guild Wars 2

They seem to be very good at pvp. Does anyone know where I can see a list that shows the top ranking pvp players in gw2 by class? The one on this forum just shows the player names but not the actual class they play.

Only reason Necros would be considered strong right now is D/D ele is the dominant build bar none, and Signet Necro is a very strong matchup against it. Otherwise we really aren’t special, though in a better place than before.

yes Necros are very strong in PvP. problem is, certain classes which I wont talk about right now, are super stronger compared to Necro when played in good hands. so it can seem underpowered at times. Especially if your build isnt good.

A bit of what both of them said. We’re not “op”, but we’re decent. Most of our decency comes from our niche to dampen boons which helps topple the giant right now. But more than anything, there are others that should come down to Necromancer level rather than always pushing forward. Overall, Necromancer isn’t bad. I’d like to say it’s in a good spot for the most part, but it still has a lot of issues that need to be looked at such as Life blast speed, VP being baseline, and weapons that aren’t our standard Dagger+Warhorn need to be looked at, but more often than not, that boils down to adding diversity than directly needing more power.

Necro in pvp are really good.
But not in the meta. War hammer stun lock necro, mesmer stun lock necro, thief stun lock necro, elem unless signet roll over necro, ranger seem a fair match, engie are more or less fair but tend to stun lock too.

With so much access (lol) to stab necro is just a ragdoll in some match. I never fell much useless than against an hammer war.

I have a personal build as a condi MM and when I play with my freinds I’m the close holder. I’m really good in 1vs1, xpecially against thiefs, necros and eles. I’ve more problems against good dps guardians and necros (they stay range and with they’re insane dps they can kill me without making me able to catch them…). Rangers also give me problems why they’r range, but if I catch then I can kill them fast.
I’m really good expecially against condition users why the necro have a lot of skills that don’t only clean condition: I sent them back to the opponent, dealing big damage.

The incredible lack of stability of the necro make me harder kill berserker classes that have a large amount of CC, but I can kill them.

The necromancer actually is in a very good place. More or less every premade teams I find have at last 1 necromancer.

Depends on your definition of strong. Right now, id say we are simply because we help keep D/D ELE in check at least partially with our signet build and corruptions, and we also help spoil burn builds by turning all of it right back on them. Mainly the only thing we need is some stability on the base class and we’d be a serious contender, because despite or lack of mobility and scalable defenses, our biggest counter I think is just simply simply chain and heavy CC.

as state before i dont think we are strong. maybe in 1v1 in some scenarios
but the lack of stability (maybe the reaper will change it a bit) hurt us more than the boons removal and condi trasfer
yes we good against dd ele . we cant kill them as they can disengage fast but in group fight the pressure we can do with boon removal and burning send back to them is the key.
also condi necro are the weakest of condi build atm. burn guard, trap ranger, condi mesmer can do more dot dmg. but we have more cc and boon removal. but you hardly see condi necro in tpvp

Necros are only good against bad DD eles. No serious DD ele is going to put high burn stacks onto a signet necro. They can outheal our dagger damage, and blind us faster than DS AA. The only way a necro can win against a DD ele is if that ele is bad.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Necros are only good against bad DD eles. No serious DD ele is going to put high burn stacks onto a signet necro. They can outheal our dagger damage, and blind us faster than DS AA. The only way a necro can win against a DD ele is if that ele is bad.

You need to watch Nos kitten on top tier Cele Eles all day. Necro has the tools to beat the beast.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Necros are only good against bad DD eles. No serious DD ele is going to put high burn stacks onto a signet necro. They can outheal our dagger damage, and blind us faster than DS AA. The only way a necro can win against a DD ele is if that ele is bad.

You need to watch Nos kitten on top tier Cele Eles all day. Necro has the tools to beat the beast.

Erm, Supposedly, Nos did tests against Phantaram. It went 50/50. That suggests it’s not a direct counter. It has all the tools to match up to it, which is a little sad if you ask me.

ronpierce.2760:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Necros are only good against bad DD eles. No serious DD ele is going to put high burn stacks onto a signet necro. They can outheal our dagger damage, and blind us faster than DS AA. The only way a necro can win against a DD ele is if that ele is bad.

You need to watch Nos kitten on top tier Cele Eles all day. Necro has the tools to beat the beast.

Erm, Supposedly, Nos did tests against Phantaram. It went 50/50. That suggests it’s not a direct counter. It has all the tools to match up to it, which is a little sad if you ask me.

Why is that sad to you?

TheLastNobody.8319:

ronpierce.2760:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Necros are only good against bad DD eles. No serious DD ele is going to put high burn stacks onto a signet necro. They can outheal our dagger damage, and blind us faster than DS AA. The only way a necro can win against a DD ele is if that ele is bad.

You need to watch Nos kitten on top tier Cele Eles all day. Necro has the tools to beat the beast.

Erm, Supposedly, Nos did tests against Phantaram. It went 50/50. That suggests it’s not a direct counter. It has all the tools to match up to it, which is a little sad if you ask me.

Why is that sad to you?

I think he meant that it’s sad because the best build for taking on Ele’s is only 50/50.

TheLastNobody.8319:

ronpierce.2760:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Necros are only good against bad DD eles. No serious DD ele is going to put high burn stacks onto a signet necro. They can outheal our dagger damage, and blind us faster than DS AA. The only way a necro can win against a DD ele is if that ele is bad.

You need to watch Nos kitten on top tier Cele Eles all day. Necro has the tools to beat the beast.

Erm, Supposedly, Nos did tests against Phantaram. It went 50/50. That suggests it’s not a direct counter. It has all the tools to match up to it, which is a little sad if you ask me.

Why is that sad to you?

It’s sad to me because it’s so even when Necromancer had basically every tool you could imagine to counter Ele. :P
(high boon corruption, transfers burning back, poison and chill access, weakness)
Just saying, it’s almost perfectly designed to counter that type build and it’s still pretty close. Something about that seems off to me.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Necros are only good against bad DD eles. No serious DD ele is going to put high burn stacks onto a signet necro. They can outheal our dagger damage, and blind us faster than DS AA. The only way a necro can win against a DD ele is if that ele is bad.

You need to watch Nos kitten on top tier Cele Eles all day. Necro has the tools to beat the beast.

Was that in 1v1’s or team fights? I do fairly well 1v1, but once you get 2 ele’s vs necro + anything else my win rate goes from ~50% down to ~1%. ele’s share all their healing and boons while necros don’t share squat and can only strip from single target.

Necromancer in PvP has presence, but I wouldn’t consider it strong. The main reason it has presence is to counter one OP build with one particular counter build. Even then the odds aren’the in it’s favor. There are some core issues with core necromancer that need to be addressed first:
-reliance on soul reaping
-scepter and axe desperately need that re-work (2 main hand weapons being considered bad is a Massive limiter)
-certain traits need some real adjusting (spiteful spirit, Consume Conditions applying blind with Master of corruptions, ect )
-certain utilities have been in dire need of being looked into for a long time now (well of darkness 40 second cooldown, signet of undeath, blood fiend not leeching quite enough, ect)

Beyond that, the necromancer also is currently really hampered by D/D ele ironically. If you don’t run the counter build, then the match can be a living hell as you can’t escape the ele but can’t kill him either. Once D/D is put in it’s place and axe+scepter get fixed up, we will see where necromancer sits. Right now too many of our builds rely on those weapons to really say anything right now.

ronpierce.2760:

TheLastNobody.8319:

ronpierce.2760:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Necros are only good against bad DD eles. No serious DD ele is going to put high burn stacks onto a signet necro. They can outheal our dagger damage, and blind us faster than DS AA. The only way a necro can win against a DD ele is if that ele is bad.

You need to watch Nos kitten on top tier Cele Eles all day. Necro has the tools to beat the beast.

Erm, Supposedly, Nos did tests against Phantaram. It went 50/50. That suggests it’s not a direct counter. It has all the tools to match up to it, which is a little sad if you ask me.

Why is that sad to you?

It’s sad to me because it’s so even when Necromancer had basically every tool you could imagine to counter Ele. :P
(high boon corruption, transfers burning back, poison and chill access, weakness)
Just saying, it’s almost perfectly designed to counter that type build and it’s still pretty close. Something about that seems off to me.

I think that’s just more to do with the D/D spec being so over the top in its survivability, so the fact it’s 50/50 I would take as a great sign. In similar situations against boon heavy classes like guardian, I found roaming and PvPing as a Condi necro they were just putty in my hands….that sounds weirder than it should but you get my point.

Plus Ele has mobility I think third only to theif and Mesmer, and we don’t have much lockdown to stop em.