Guild Wars 2

Guild run against FA. We had about 30 with us.

Do you use full zerker stats?

Yeah, full zerker with a 0/20/0/20/30 build

Great video; dat use of DS…

Never thought I would see someone with a similar trait setup as me. O.o

Yerffejy.6538:

Never thought I would see someone with a similar trait setup as me. O.o

I’ve been running the same for quite a while a now and I don’t think the 0/20/0/20/30 is that uncommon amoung WvW regulars. There just aren’t that many of them amidst the legions of warriors and guardians.

I just never see it. Been running the build for…. like maybe a year now? And never seen anyone running something similar to me.

I always thought I was weird in that I don’t spec into the power tree for power. xD

And most power specs I have seen people post always tend to have something in power.

Love the build, just don’t really see people post about it. Haha

I’m curious, do you mind posting your trait setup for that build?

not even close to a zerker build for necro…

Yeah I thought the damage was low myself, in full zerk I can get 7k total hits with DS4, before I read the comments after the OP I thought it was a necro in PVT gear.

0-20-0-20-30 is a standard necro build for guild runs (probably the most common one) and provides a lot of utility (esp. chilling darkness and transfusion). It’s not the highest possible dps setup, but a good compromise.
You rarely see high hits like 7k in transfusion because the targeting switches so often. In full berserker with that setup you’ll get that number on a squishy target though.

I’m sure the traits are as stated, it just seems the damage is low for someone in full zerk gear. I’ll watch it again and dip into WvW on a power setup and make sure I’m not remembering it wrong.

Don’t worry Sor, I will make a video with ascended full zerker and put you to shame, if I can muster the latent desire to log-in.

Yeah. My average for life transfer is about 3-5k.

My LB crit around 3k on everyone.

Wells tick for around 2k…

Ok ok, you guys caught me. In the video I had a exotic Rabbid back piece on because.

Also, I had 2 Ascended Cavalier’s accessories. The rest was zerker with ruby orbs.

This isn’t the standard 30/10/0/0/30 or 30/20/0/0/20 build which hits a lot harder.

Rennoko.5731:

Don’t worry Sor, I will make a video with ascended full zerker and put you to shame, if I can muster the latent desire to log-in.

Not if you’re always dead like usual. So I won’t hold my breath.

Wow and i thought camera shake f*kd my movie up
OT: Zerker necros are kinda useless – the damage they deal is nice … but playing evasive all the time and using ds or plague as defensive skills ist wasting the potential of the necro. Nevertheless i enjoy players like you – most of the time it takes me only 3 to 4 lifeblasts to kill such zerkers.

Stat blending is perfectly fine. Spite also controls condition duration so placing trait points in SR and using Berserker with your setup gets you higher critical hit bonus along with good condi-damage and crit chance is smart. Condi duration is somewhat of a waste in WvW.

Condi duration is anything but a waste in WvW, even for a power build.

But this isn’t a Power build. This is a group support build with some damage to boot to add some additional pressure. Using DS and Plague defensively can be to the huge benefit of the group.

Sven, it may take you 3 – 4 life blasts to kill “such zerkers”, but this build isn’t designed to go 1v1ing with you. While you try to focus him, you’re probably getting wrecked by the rest of his guild, or being blinded by his wells, or being dodged by him. Unless, of course, you’re an attachment to your group that hunts down targets, but if you are, you probably aren’t focusing the Necro in the group. Odds are, you’re trying to hit the Eles in back or something.

I get the impression that in group fights like this, there are “higher value” targets that the melee train guns for, and the linebackers attempt to often thwart the enemy melee train while supporting their own. A Zerker Necro can get away with being Zerker because he is skirting the fight and providing utility, but never a real focus.

Good build, good group support, doesn’t need fancy big numbers to be effective. And armor defines Zerker, not the trait build.

Sigh … with “defensive” it mean he uses it to avoid downstate … thats not helpful for the raid at all. And my main objective is not to hunt single zerkers – i can just leave the group when one crosses my path, kill him and return to the (melee) fight – because my damage may be slightly lesser but my survivability is way better (and talking about eles: they have several skills to evade unlike a necro whos has to use ds or plague – so necros are the easier target). I dont know if there is more footage but in this vid he only gets away because the fights always take place near some kind of choke point. In an open field battle a skilled thief or mesmer would burst him down within seconds.

Do you not realize that every fight takes place near a choke point because VR is choosing the locations of each fight, forcing their opponents into disadvantageous positions? For all intents and purposes, these are open field fights, just orchestrated by a group that has enough patience/awareness to pick their ground, while the other group tries to just charge in guns blazing.

He’s a cog in their machine, and he’s demonstrating the value that a Necro in Zerker armor can add. The argument isn’t whether some other hypothetical situation would see him dead. They are avoiding those situations intentionally to maintain advantage, and trying to say that’s invalid is willful ignorance.

If anything, the argument is whether or not the Zerker armor set is really adding any value that something like Cavalier/Valkyrie wouldn’t also add without as much of the risk. The value his weapon damage is adding is absolute peanuts compared to the utility it can provide, while DS is already giving him 50% crit for everything, including Wells if he times it right.

Full zerk is pretty risky. Even if you switched out just your zerk armor for knights, you wouldnt lose much. Couple cavaliers here and there.

Zerk necro isn’t risky at all, 90% of the time you die is because you can’t keep up with your group. Doesn’t matter if you have zerker or Pvt if you get caught you’re done. Any necro in a guild group that isn’t DPS spec’d is doing it wrong.

As for the video, plz hit DS 5 before 4. Was a good day when I found out about it.

x per fection x.2096:

As for the video, plz hit DS 5 before 4. Was a good day when I found out about it.

apologize for asking a noob question, but why?

Lalangamena.3694:

x per fection x.2096:

As for the video, plz hit DS 5 before 4. Was a good day when I found out about it.

apologize for asking a noob question, but why?

Because DS5 keeps going once the short channel finishes, then you can cast DS4 and be using both at the same time.

I think having 600 more toughness and 3k more hp does make a difference. Not hard to avoid the hammer train, but with your toughness if you get focused by anything else youre most likely dead.

I am quite confused by this vid. It is nice and all, but I thought zerker necro would hit much harder.

I play full pvt necro with traveler runes, maintenance oil, perception sigil stack, than swap to accuracy. I have +prec, +tough infusions and I have around the same dmg as you.

So In total I have around 45% crit chance, 3100 attack, 28700 hp, 2900 armor and 36%crit dmg on day 1 wvw. If I were to count primary food, apllied strength, fortitude and the changes trhough the week (hp,etc) I end up with 3250 att, 31,5k hp, around 400-500 condi dmg, 2950 armor. I play a melee train necro heavily utilizing ds(25k)retalliation from axe skill 3 (hit aroudn 285-295, depending on my power). The blind+ chill is extremely usefull in plague form and I can withstand any dmg with the 55K hp I have, when I am in the mix.

Anyway this vid just proves me going full zerker just does not worth it. Kinght cavalier seems like a better option for me. Also why are you playing with plague instead of Lich? I thought zerker ranged dps necros play Lich 90% of the time in wvw.

Keep up the good work mate, best of luck!

Valheru:
That highly depends on your traits.
He could easily boost his dmg by about 25% or more just by switching traits.
Lich is ego play, plague is supportive.
Depends on how you want to play.

Winneh.2064:

Valheru:
That highly depends on your traits.
He could easily boost his dmg by about 25% or more just by switching traits.
Lich is ego play, plague is supportive.
Depends on how you want to play.

Why would you play with Lich from when the #1 skill hits as much as DS #1?… not to mention the animation that says outloud “Im a huge scary thing, kill me first”

Thats been my point exactly. You dont do lich in grps, just aint smart.

Jinx.7258:

Winneh.2064:

Valheru:
That highly depends on your traits.
He could easily boost his dmg by about 25% or more just by switching traits.
Lich is ego play, plague is supportive.
Depends on how you want to play.

Why would you play with Lich from when the #1 skill hits as much as DS #1?… not to mention the animation that says outloud “Im a huge scary thing, kill me first”

Lich form boosts power, more power = every other skill does more damage, also if your Lich crits do same as your life blasts with ascended trinkets and weapon, you are doing something mighty wrong (its like 10%-12% difference, 33% if time warped because yay lower cast time and much lower aftercast than LB).

Im completely aware what Lich Form does. Its quite useless considering this is the power builds elite skills… for 180 secs this boost is nothing. Plague is giving you alot more survivability and useful skills, not to mention they are all aoe… while LF #1 is single target.

When DS #1 was boosted LF became useless. ~300 dmg is the difference, still think its worthed it?

Jinx.7258:

Im completely aware what Lich Form does. Its quite useless considering this is the power builds elite skills… for 180 secs this boost is nothing. Plague is giving you alot more survivability and useful skills, not to mention they are all aoe… while LF #1 is single target.

Are you sure you are aware of what Lich form does? Since when LF #1 is a single target spell? Not to mention, you can apply 8 stack of vulnerability on enemies from 1200 range (AOE), knock back foes+chill(AOE), spam minions, remove boons from foes, cure condies on allies (AOE).

LB hits kittenly when you are within 600 range LF #1 deals more dmg from 1200 and AOE! I’ve seen many guilds running with 1 or 2 lich necros because they hit like a truck, especially in narrow corridors/choke points. Not to mention it is insane when combined with Time Warp.

I use plague myself, because I am playing a tanky melee necro, but if I were to go ranged full dps Lich form would be my choice for sure. Plague duration 20 sec with 180 sec cd, lich form 30 sec duration same cd. It is not useless by any mean.

It is useless by all means… because some morons are running it doesnt mean its effective. No high tier player will take LF over Plague. Nor high tier guild will do so… because you are spectating some scrubs doesnt mean they are getting any better… Stop excusing yourself and learn your class lol

Its not direct single target but what,you are gonna line all of your enemies so you can hit them?… You are free bag when you are in that skill… Just the idea of argueing about that says enough lol

When you are that smart, count with me… AoE blind from Plague blinds 5 players, thats 25 of your allies missed. Add the poison and 20-sec duration of that effect…. Is your LF still THAT effective? Can you stomp with LF?

Its ELITE skill you cannot afford so insignificant boost in dmg when you can easily access Life Blast and do nearly the same dmg… jesus christ,so many morons are crawling in these forums, its unbelievable…

Jinx.7258:

It is useless by all means… because some morons are running it doesnt mean its effective. No high tier player will take LF over Plague. Nor high tier guild will do so… because you are spectating some scrubs doesnt mean they are getting any better… Stop excusing yourself and learn your class lol

Moron, scrubs running it, are you sure about it? Should I learn my class? I am pretty sure I have invested more time and thought into my class than you did, who twice said that LF#1 is single target skill, way to make a fool of yourself!

Jinx.7258:

Its not direct single target but what,you are gonna line all of your enemies so you can hit them?…

Melee train moves compact so they do the work for you, next……..

Jinx.7258:

When you are that smart, count with me… AoE blind from Plague blinds 5 players, thats 25 of your allies missed. Add the poison and 20-sec duration of that effect…. Is your LF still THAT effective? Can you stomp with LF?

Lets do this in order, shall we.

1,As I said before twice and yet you still could not recieve the message, I use plague on my necro in WvW. I am traited for blind applies chill so its dmg+poison+blind+chill and I love it, so does everyone.

2,Plague has poison and it is awesome, but LF has condi cleanse and boon remove(can remove protection, heal regen, stability all the good stuff), not to mention +8% dmg from vulnerability that amplifies not only yours but your teammates dmg as well. So yet again LF has it’s merits. It’s different than plague but it has a positive side.

3, No, you cant stomp with LF, but you cant stomp ele, mesmer, and thief with plague anyway not to mention boon remove+fear or pushback and you are not stomping anymore in plague as well. Other than this it works wonders, gotta love plague stomps!!!

Jinx.7258:

Its ELITE skill you cannot afford so insignificant boost in dmg when you can easily access Life Blast and do nearly the same dmg…

And yet again LB hits full dmg when you are in 600 range which is quite dangerous while running full zerker.

Actual numbers with some specific stats I used in pvp arena on dummies for you. LB within 600 range 1950-2100 crit. LF skill skill 1, 2400-2600 crit on 5 targets from 1200 range. So if I presume I have 3 crits and 2 base which is coming closer to an actual zerker crit chance it would be around 10k dmg from range vs 2k dmg up close. Of course the difference is much higher with full ascended full zerkes stats + applied strength + consumable due to multiplication.

Jinx.7258:

jesus christ,so many morons are crawling in these forums, its unbelievable…

Instead of asuming you know everything the best. You might wanna get off your high horse coz you are sure to fall from there. Open mind can take you a long way ahead!

P.S.: Also lots of mods on forums lately, so you may want to refrain from namecalling and such, becuase you might get banned and then people wont know how much of a great person and mind you are!

Been running semi-zerker necro for awhile in wvw. All long as you pay attention to position, you will do ok. Most train guilds are predictable. They go for the biggest glob of people.

I use that trait setup for a PvP spec w/ zerk amulet. One/two wells and one/two spectrals for added LF generation cuz necros get focused hard. Great downed pressure and can maintain high DS uptime.

Sometimes swap +50% crit chance for Stab on DS, DS stomping with stability is too nice.

Jinx.7258:

It is useless by all means… because some morons are running it doesnt mean its effective. No high tier player will take LF over Plague. Nor high tier guild will do so… because you are spectating some scrubs doesnt mean they are getting any better… Stop excusing yourself and learn your class lol

Its not direct single target but what,you are gonna line all of your enemies so you can hit them?… You are free bag when you are in that skill… Just the idea of argueing about that says enough lol

When you are that smart, count with me… AoE blind from Plague blinds 5 players, thats 25 of your allies missed. Add the poison and 20-sec duration of that effect…. Is your LF still THAT effective? Can you stomp with LF?

Its ELITE skill you cannot afford so insignificant boost in dmg when you can easily access Life Blast and do nearly the same dmg… jesus christ,so many morons are crawling in these forums, its unbelievable…

Lich has its downfalls, but you’re blatantly ignoring that plague form is easily kited and controlled with cripple or chill. Lich has its great applications as does plague but neither is the clear, dominant skill.

Also you’re overlooking the boon strips of lich #5 and the chill and pushback of #3. The #2 mark also has it’s uses when the enemy is tight.

Anyway, my regular rotation is using and abusing life blast until I am out of life force, pop lich for the big health and stability, and by the time I’m done, life force is back up. So the argument of “but life blast does as much!” Is shortsighted and situational. The combo overall allows me to have some tankiness in my zerker gear, which I’ve ran for months in WvW.

tankiness with Lich Form? You made my day lol

“Anyway, my regular rotation is using and abusing life blast until I am out of life force, pop lich for the big health and stability, and by the time I’m done, life force is back up.”
Best rotation ever. You should make a guide how to play a necro.

You should, since clearly you know better than the rest of us.

You didn’t prove anything I said wrong, either. Just attempted to mock it.

Why would I explain it to you? If you havent realised it yourself till now says enough about you lol

Even if I open your head and pour hours and hours of experience you wont get it. You are just the next one proving my point I clearly declared few posts ago…

So you have no response, got it. You’re severely overrating plague while putting lich in the worst possible situation.

I’m disappointed, I thought we might actually have an interesting discussion on power necros in zergs.

I tried a similar set-up in the past, wasn’t for me. Eventually I ended up with 20,10,20,20,0 hybrid build centered around wells and staff. I miss OFITG, but what surprises me the most is the increased surviavability and CC I have now while still retaining nice damage and being able to maintain persistant pressure instead of spiking highs and negligible sustain.

On the flip side, RET blobs are so much fun to fight, o the bags, I share your joy