Guild Wars 2

My necro is lvl20, and by now i’m too lazy to back it up again to see it’s counterparts.

Mainly I PvP with GS mesmer or with full support ele (Staff), and I allways get stuck when fighting vs minion necros.

The only chance I had one time is with the ele, while healing myself a lot, doing all AoEs ’till all the minions just died, and then, when I was almost dead (yea, 5-6 minions + necro going crazy DDing) try to kill the necro.

What is the best way to kill it? What are it’s weakness? This question is not in a specific class way, but in a general (that’s why it’s in Necro forum and not in ele/mesmer/whatever).

Kill minions, honestly. As a GS mesmer you can have big troubles with MM necro since it’s kind of counter for mesmers. If you see that he uses Blood Fiend, kill it quickly. It will either just put his heal on cd or force to heal in maybe not the best time. Necro can’t really heal his minions. My advice: take a staff. It has bouncing projectile, put conditions and try to keep minions in chaos field.

Weaknesses:
Relatively weak without minions
Minions can be killed off
Melee minions are pretty easily kited, and usually die just due to passive AoE
Overall build relies heavily on CC
Build is very slow

The key to fighting an MM is understanding your options and their options, and being very flexible in what you are doing. Unless you are on an amazing burst build and they really screw up hard, it is going to be a long fight, so you don’t need to rush into anything; you aren’t killing them quickly, nor are they killing you quickly.

What you want to do is always apply pressure to the MM, kite the melee minions while applying any kind of consistent cleave to them, and make sure to dodge their big CC and Putrid Explosion (exploding bone minions). That is your general plan, you want to pressure the MM so they don’t feel too comfortable, kite the minions while killing them, both to get rid of them and keep them off you, and then by dodging big skills you really leave them with nothing but very low DPS/healing.

Then, while you are doing those general things, you try to set up openings to burst things away. For example, if possible you can try to get all your enemies stacked up (lead the melee minions into the ranged minion) and then blow them all up with some quick damage. If you find Blood Fiend close enough to you to hit it, just lead the melee minions over there and then blow them all up really quickly, and all of a sudden you’re left fighting a Soldier build with literally 0 self traiting and all utilities on CD. If you see the MM getting fairly low, burst them down quickly, they have very little active defense.

The key to all of it is slowly setting things up so that in one burst of action everything reverses on the MM. They need to have a slow fight to win, they have very little active ways to deal with things (low LF generation, low active healing, low active defense), so once things turn on them quickly, you keep up as high of pressure as possible.

One thing to be very careful of though, is that you need to really watch the HP bars of the minions while you take them down, if the MM has Death Nova. A lot of Sacrifice skills will be used if you just get them low and don’t burst them dead first. And you also need to be sure you aren’t allowing Death Nova’s direct damage and poison to stack on you.

Very very interesting. Will try next time…

and my bad… didn’t realize there was exactly the same post 1 day before https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Can-this-be-countered . Not like the topic tittle was very explicit though.

Or you can just place Moa on your skill bar. Almost guaranteed win then.

Plexxing.2978:

Or you can just place Moa on your skill bar. Almost guaranteed win then.

^ This ^

The OP Moa Morph wipes ALL Minions, and leaves the MM a kittened bird.

Noble.3647:

Plexxing.2978:

Or you can just place Moa on your skill bar. Almost guaranteed win then.

^ This ^

The OP Moa Morph wipes ALL Minions, and leaves the MM a kittened bird.

Not to mention it puts the minions on FULL CD and that’s after the Moa ends

Make on of those perma invis, perma blind thiefes, problem fixed

actually mesmer is the best class to counter MM builds (there’re several out there)
a fully MM necro rely on minions to attack and on some builds to heal.
kill the minions (specially the healing one and golem first) and try to somehow immobilze the necro, you will win even if you’re not a skilled player.

well I hate to say this but mesmer got moa skill which is so OP it will insta kill all minions=>no healing & no attack, when i was a mm in tpvp I also found out that once you come back from being a moa (if u were lucky enough) all your minions were on cooldowns

i’m not the best necro there is not even close but that’s my main and i’ve played it for a very long time. my suggestion to learn a class weaknesses play ur necro for two weeks just it. dungeons/pvp/wvw(if u want) with the various builds,
you’ll find out that necro has some really strong points but many many downsides.
eg. ele got the best mobility in the game imo(d/d) u can actually use the fact that necro has one of the lowest mobility in gw2 to ur advantage.

Seems lots of players like kitten but only minionmancer likes to take 5 monster kittens at same time. Horrible build, who would want game to play the game for you.

Leeto.1570:

Seems lots of players like kitten but only minionmancer likes to take 5 monster kittens at same time. Horrible build, who would want game to play the game for you.

Come on, drop this predjudice of “petting zoo”, “ai plays the game for you”, it’s dumb and wrong.
You’re just damaging your “intelligence”.

Leeto.1570:

Seems lots of players like kitten but only minionmancer likes to take 5 monster kittens at same time. Horrible build, who would want game to play the game for you.

Its fine if you have a dislike of minions for whatever reason, plenty of people do (its a unique playstyle that isn’t for everyone). But stop pretending like any MM that relies on the passive qualities of the minions isn’t just a free kill.

Bhawb.7408:

Leeto.1570:

Seems lots of players like kitten but only minionmancer likes to take 5 monster kittens at same time. Horrible build, who would want game to play the game for you.

Its fine if you have a dislike of minions for whatever reason, plenty of people do (its a unique playstyle that isn’t for everyone). But stop pretending like any MM that relies on the passive qualities of the minions isn’t just a free kill.

It is free kill no matter on what you rely, crap build overall that has no place in PVP beside for annoying me by filling my display with useless AI minions.
If people want to play easy spec that only can deliver some lulz in certain situations then play powermancer and spam 1, its imo even more effective and will annoy enemies/teammates alot less.

Leeto.1570:

Bhawb.7408:

Leeto.1570:

Seems lots of players like kitten but only minionmancer likes to take 5 monster kittens at same time. Horrible build, who would want game to play the game for you.

Its fine if you have a dislike of minions for whatever reason, plenty of people do (its a unique playstyle that isn’t for everyone). But stop pretending like any MM that relies on the passive qualities of the minions isn’t just a free kill.

It is free kill no matter on what you rely, crap build overall that has no place in PVP beside for annoying me by filling my display with useless AI minions.
If people want to play easy spec that only can deliver some lulz in certain situations then play powermancer and spam 1, its imo even more effective and will annoy enemies/teammates alot less.

Not sure about you, but a good MM does quite well in PVP with a very nice toolbox, great weapon synergy and plenty of damage. The fact of the matter is, I consistently walk out of matches with a great deal of kills, bring massive AoE poison, weakness and damage to any teamfight I and my team walk into, carry a charge for stopping stomps, an on call immobile which stacks with dagger 3 and again a large amount of damage and poison harass.

Edit: for politeness. That’s what I get for posting before my morning coffee. XD