Guild Wars 2

I just saw a solo roaming condition warrior lay waste to 2 roaming condition necro’s..
i was one of them.. literally no condition touched him while he is stacking weakness, burning, bleeds you name it.. then finishing it off with a leap hitting for 1/2 hp..

I was like Oo.. the other necro was like Oo..
Other opponents where like Charge!.. Then the opponents where like Retreat!
and the warrior was like.. Full Hp Stop bothering me while i run trough your group and leap away to cap a sentry..

That said, he did have 25 condition stacks, all border buff’s, all guard buff’s, condi consumables.. and loads and loads of passives :S

quite amazing really..

A leap cutting a necro’s hp in half? That doesn’t sound like a condition warrior.

If he was using a sword it prob hit 5-6k if it was an axe it would have been around 8-10k even if he was condi. Maybe it was a hybrid build. And yea if wars spec deep for one thing they excel to good. Like counter condi. They have acess to everything. If i see a war with sig i dont even bother on my ele. Necros can tank them okay but if they have sig they will heal off the dmg ez. Condi necro is the best way to beat a war u have to wait for his invuln to stop. Try to keep him chilled immob or crippled and use lots o poison.

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

I just saw a solo roaming condition warrior lay waste to 2 roaming condition necro’s..
i was one of them.. literally no condition touched him while he is stacking weakness, burning, bleeds you name it.. then finishing it off with a leap hitting for 1/2 hp..

I was like Oo.. the other necro was like Oo..
Other opponents where like Charge!.. Then the opponents where like Retreat!
and the warrior was like.. Full Hp Stop bothering me while i run trough your group and leap away to cap a sentry..

That said, he did have 25 condition stacks, all border buff’s, all guard buff’s, condi consumables.. and loads and loads of passives :S

quite amazing really..

Ask him if he wants to transfer to Mag…. I have been dreaming of adding a condi warrior to a roaming group. Best synergy with epidemic IMO.

That said, you have been around a long time, there isn’t any mystical formula for warrior. They can trait for lots of mobility and lots of healing, and oddly enough there are few if any “required” traits to make conditions work.

He was likely a stance warrior, with vigor, longer stances, etc. He likely has 2-3 forms of stability, and at least 2 stun breaks. But condition immunity only lasts till zerker stance is up. At that point he can leave… but he shouldn’t be killing anyone in that state.

Even when they are immune to conditions you can stilll transfer to them. You get the cleanse, but the transfer obviously fizzles. Given that warriors only apply a few conditions, things like dagger and mark removal basically all their hard work.

Hard to kill because they can run away, not because they are an offensive power house… but a warrior that can kill 2 necros is a pretty amazing warrior. Given the damage on leap though, I would just say he was using sword/X, and wasn’t really conditions. There are lots of power warriors that run sword and more damage on stuned targets so they can POKE you for 9k.

The only way you can beat a condition warrior as a necro is using well of power and plague signet. AFAIK no warrior utilities apply condition damage so they are free to use endure pain and berserker stance for even more survivability. also endurance signet clears all condis.

was he an asura warrior?

Spicyhash.7605:

The only way you can beat a condition warrior as a necro is using well of power and plague signet.

Are you suggesting that you can’t beat them if you don’t have 5 cleanses of which 3 are transfers? (dagger, staff, consume conditions, signet, well)
Even with half of that you’ll hard counter any condi warrior.

As to the warrior in question, I suspect that it was a power build with a long bow. But that’s beside the point anyway, if anyone wins a 1v2 then he was simply a better player. No one can win an outnumbered fight on equal skill against enyone, especially not against necros.

flow.6043:

Spicyhash.7605:

The only way you can beat a condition warrior as a necro is using well of power and plague signet.

Are you suggesting that you can’t beat them if you don’t have 5 cleanses of which 3 are transfers? (dagger, staff, consume conditions, signet, well)
Even with half of that you’ll hard counter any condi warrior.

As to the warrior in question, I suspect that it was a power build with a long bow. But that’s beside the point anyway, if anyone wins a 1v2 then he was simply a better player. No one can win an outnumbered fight on equal skill against enyone, especially not against necros.

Any one player + condition necro vs. any individual is going to be a mess. I find even as a condition necro that the additional of just one condition necro to the X in 2vX creates a much more distinct challenge if we don’t deal with them immediately.

Bottom line, if you get caught even in a window of 4-5 seconds without a cleanse and a condition necro is on you, you are eating a lot of damage from 900 range.

Yes Warriors are annoying and need to be brought in line. Yet at the same time killing two people is not uncommon I 1v2 a couple eles the other day and 1v3 some people the other day one was max and two uplevels. But its wvw you don’t know what gear, spec, or skill level your dealing with at any given encounter.

Brando.1374:

was he an asura warrior?

No asuran, human i believe..

@Flow, yeah power longbow, think he had a longsword too..
i was thinking about armor trinklets buff’s boons etc all stacking up on him when we were fighting..

My friend and i still run exotics ( because well .. im not so rich after leveling 4 alts and gearing them out..) didn’t have stacking or any boons up no DS either..
on the other hand this warrior was running everything to the max, so i can expect his gear to be maxed out too.. also i remeber fighting on a bridge so we were an easy target for his fields..yet i still found it amazing that conditions and even our piercing DS hardly hit and transfer was simply passived out.

anyway, it must ’ve been a very decent player considering the reactions of the people who he strolled trough.. and my own ^^

I am really confused. Was he a condition based warrior or no? If he was a condition based warrior nothing should be hitting you for half your HP unless you are really really really squishy with zero toughness.

What weapon set was he using? If he was using GS/LB (i dont know what you mean by longsword) that is a very weird set up for a condition or a hybrid build.

But then again, if a warrior has full Guard buffs, full stacks, he probably has full ascended, all of them fitted with infusions, yeah, just run lol.

Yeah GS/LB.
And i know right, but still he was running duration and stacking on signets, food and oils with condition stats

that doesnt sound like a condition warrior tbh and burning with some might stacking could sting a bit…did he run shouts/stances/full signets? or maybe you guys run carrion/zerker for him to do so much damage to you? cuz those guard buffs offer a big boost to a class that relies on stacking stats and passives

killahmayne.9518:

But then again, if a warrior has full Guard buffs, full stacks, he probably has full ascended, all of them fitted with infusions, yeah, just run lol.

One might argue that guard and sigil kill stacks are much easier to get than ascended gear, because getting wvw rank 230+ is “just” a matter of time. On the other hand, leveling a crafting profession to 500 costs about 150gold and a complete set of armor will set you back 400-600 gold, most players aren’t willing to make the investment because (unlike the higher damage coefficient on weapons) the stat bonus on ascended armor is rather negligable.
Which brings me to the next point: full ascended vs full exotic. While kill stacks and super-duper maxed out gear can make a difference now and again, it will not double or tripple your fighting potential, as in: 1 ascended beats 2 exotics.
It can’t make up for a second player. Far from it. 2 players in nothing but green gear would still win every single fight against a fully buffed and stacked ascended guy. Provided they are equally skilled there’s just no contest.

flow.6043:

killahmayne.9518:

But then again, if a warrior has full Guard buffs, full stacks, he probably has full ascended, all of them fitted with infusions, yeah, just run lol.

One might argue that guard and sigil kill stacks are much easier to get than ascended gear, because getting wvw rank 230+ is "just" a matter of time. On the other hand, leveling a crafting profession to 500 costs about 150gold and a complete set of armor will set you back 400-600 gold, most players aren’t willing to make the investment because (unlike the higher damage coefficient on weapons) the stat bonus on ascended armor is rather negligable.
Which brings me to the next point: full ascended vs full exotic. While kill stacks and super-duper maxed out gear can make a difference now and again, it will not double or tripple your fighting potential, as in: 1 ascended beats 2 exotics.
It can’t make up for a second player. Far from it. 2 players in nothing but green gear would still win every single fight against a fully buffed and stacked ascended guy. Provided they are equally skilled there’s just no contest.

If WvW rank is just a "matter of time" if somebody wanted ascended gear but didn’t really farm for it it would also be a "matter of time".

It takes about 600g to craft a full set of heavy ascended armor + levelling the profession. At least that is what it took me. If you did WBT + dungeons everyday, you could realistically make 50 gold a day. So that is an ascended set within 12 days assuming you have obsidian shards, bloodstone dust, empyreals and dragonites. And that is also assuming you are starting completely from scratch and have nothing. A semi-casual player can get it within 30 days very easily.

It isn’t always easier to get ranked 230+ then a full ascended set.

Full exotic vs Full Ascended makes a huge difference statistically, and by full ascended I also take into account rings, amulets, etc.

As a heavy you get about +60 toughness from ascended gear as a base.
All the extra stats you get altogether gives you an extra +36 stats.
Infusions give you an extra 30 stats.

So that is an extra 126 stats for full ascended armor.

On the weapon, you get an extra 25 to stats, +50 attack on average which = 50 power and infusions which add +10 to stats (for a two hander)

So that is an extra 85 to stats for the weapon.

For accessories

An extra 46 to stats +10 from the infusion = 56 stats (two accessories)

For rings an extra 42 stats + 10 from the infusion = 52 stats (two rings)

For Amulet an extra 23 stats + 5 stats from infusion = 28 stats

For backpiece, too lazy to find the math, but lets assume + 25 stats

Add that together that is +372 to stats (I could be wrong) but that I think makes a pretty significant difference. Add that to bloodlust stacks, and guard stacks and that is very powerful.

killahmayne.9518:

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Add that together that is +372 to stats (I could be wrong) but that I think makes a pretty significant difference.

It really doesn’t, and here’s why:

The amount of stats a character has may vary depending on whether they have crit dmg or boon/condi duration, kill stacks, the wvw server bonus, the bloodlust stacks, (not to mention boons). But let’s just assume that an average exotic geared character will have 8k stat points.
372 extra points would be less than 5%.
If those 372 stats were just power, then I’d be inclined to agree, that would probably be somewhere around a permanent 10% damage increase.
But instead it’s a little bit of everything. Some extra armor will mitigate ~1% direct damage, a little precision might increase your crit chance from 51 to 52%… there are some stats that just aren’t doing anything significant.

The best you’ll get from ascended by far is the damage coefficient of your weapon for power builds.
But as far as regular stat increase is concerned, kill stacks will do a lot more for you than ascended gear instead of exotics.

Back to my original point: all of that is far from enough to cope with an additional opponent. Especially since you don’t win a fight by dishing out and taking damage like in a turn based final fantasy battle mode. 2 opponents means twice the stuns, twice the blinds, aoe healing, boon sharing, ally stealthing, rezzing one another (if it even comes to that). No realistic amout of extra stats could compensate for that.

So again, with proper builds and equal skill: 2 guys in nothing but green gear vs one max buffed ascended player. There is no chance that the one guy can win a single time against those two.

There are just two “condition” builds for warrior right now, at least most popular – one with Distracting Strikes/perplexity and other with Sword/x + l
Sword leap cannot crit forthat high. I assume it could be just Finishing Thrust crit, this one can be very effective.

If we talk about GS/LB he’s not condition at all. He’s bursty power. Honestly, this build isn’t that great for roaming, aside from mobility, you higly rely on Pin Down for 100b.
If warrior manages to kill two condition necros with that, kind of respect, I think he was something like melandru+D. March+
-condi food.

I can only assume you managed to eat most Pin Downs..

Rym.1469:

I can only assume you managed to eat most Pin Downs..

I think i did ^^
No way to tell any animations for me in Wvw (lowest settings) im basicly playing blind vs HP, stacks, his and my CD’s and what little knowledge i have of a profession.

Anyway.. was still quite amazing to experience.
I have a new lvl 23 warrior now XD