Guild Wars 2

Hi guys, long time engineer player here, that has recently started playing a necro some in hotjoin, and I am having a hard go of it. I literally get destroyed 99% of the time. I took the main power build off of meta battle, and I am trying to play it, but with VERY little success.

Here is the build: http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Necromancer_-_Standard_Power_Necro

First off is this a good build? Are there changes I should try to make it better? Also I feel like my survivability is pretty low, as well as my ability to remove myself from bad situations. On the engineer, I have multiple blocks, as well as access to stealth via Elixir S. On the necro I really have no way to get out of a bad place, at least that I can tell.

Finally where does your primary damage come from? I’ve noticed if I can immobilize someone in both wells they melt pretty fast, but overall I’m just not sure what source my damage should be coming? I’m losing bad when I try to go into melee with the dagger.

Sorry, for the long winded posts, but I really want to get this power necro down, and any info tips, tricks, or advice are really welcome.

Thanks,
Zaragoz

Power necro will have a very different playstyle from an engineer. Like you pointed out, there are no escapes or blocks. You must be much more aggressive than you probably would be on your engineer.

Your main sources of damage should be dagger 1, and lifeblast. It’s usually best to save your wells for bigger fights, when you’re sure you can lock them in with immobilize, or when someone is downed and you’re trying to cleave.

The easiest tips I can give someone new to the spec is to make sure you are picking your fights wisely – you’re capable of winning 1v1s against most specs if you play well, but stand little chance in outnumbered situations. Watch your positioning – you don’t want to spend a lot of time on point if you don’t need to. Focus on having a lot of life force, it’s your main defense, but also your main offense. And lastly, try to count opponents cooldowns to know when to pop your more bursts abilities.

For example, a medi guard with all cooldowns is scary. But if you can kite and dodge through their cooldowns, and start bursting then, you’ll likely down them easily.

Oh, and lich is there to swing fights which it will do effectively. Its not an iwin button though.

First of all I would like to say thanks for the reply!

Nice tips, a couple of questions though. Instead of spectral armor could you take flesh wurm or spectral walk to get out of bad spots? Also is rage/fire and fire/air the best way to go?

zaragoz.6351:

First of all I would like to say thanks for the reply!

Nice tips, a couple of questions though. Instead of spectral armor could you take flesh wurm or spectral walk to get out of bad spots? Also is rage/fire and fire/air the best way to go?

I never go without spectral armor on any spec I run, I think it’s that valuable. But I don’t think there’s anything wrong with taking 1 well, SArmor and Wurm, if you want to try it out.

I usually go with air/fire just because power necro tends to get so many hits that it gets a lot out of them, but I always meant to experiment with frailty to see how much vuln I could stack.

Watch that^ Might help
Roe gave some really tips which you should mainly stick to. My personal preference is WoSuffering, Swalk, and than wurm/Sarmor/CorruptBoon/Sgrasp

So I’ve played power necro all weekend, and while there are fun times, I will not lie. It is one of the most frustrating classes/builds I’ve ever played. Maybe I’m playing it wrong, but you are so squishy and really susceptible to long cc chains… Long bow rangers demolish me from afar and I have like no way to close… Mesmers keep their distance and eat me up with greatsword… How do you guys deal with this stuff?

welcome to the world of necro, there is a reason you dont see many people using this class in pvp.

against rangers your best bet is to warhorn 5 and then dark path and hope it lands or replace spectral walk with spectral grasp giving you two options to get a ranger close

just wondering.. are you having a fun time against engineers as a necro? does it seem as op as the engineer forums make it out to be? lol

To be honest, it depends on the engineer, against condi I do okay, due to the transfer, and CC. Against turret engi’s I don’t know wtf to do. If I try to get near them I get cc’d to death by the turrets, but I’m sure thats any class w/o stab. I’m really not that good at necro due to not knowing when to use what.

And to be honest turret engineer is so broken in 1 v 1… in need of a huge nerf imo.

You may want to ask a friend to help you with 1 vs 1 duels to improve your gameplay and to tweak things around.

See what works best for you! Change utilities test it out in a 1 vs 1 situation (someone you know that is good with a certain class).

Look at how you get downed that fast and what you could do better.
But the most important is to change the build you had to your own playstyle! Lack mobility? lack some escape option? try different utilities to balance the things you lack.

As for weapons I can’t suggest you any weapons because one person likes warhorn over dagger or visa versa.

So in terms of which weapon you should use depends on what you prefer. I use D/D and staff but these weapon set will not appeal to others it they can’t play with it because it does not fit in their play style.

@unlucky as a power necromancer meh… But as a condition/ terror necromancer HELL YEAH! :P

that meta thingie is extremely squishy and doesn’t contribute much to damage it does deal….

Tao.5096:

that meta thingie is extremely squishy and doesn’t contribute much to damage it does deal….

Because power nec is a squishy spec. But the damage is insane.

For pew pew rangers, I’ll usually double dodge rapid fire and follow up with doom while I close in, assuming I can’t LOS them. Then from there it’s usually just a dps fest.

But get on top of them and then dodge rapid fire or if you see a clear bear. Try to save condi clears for entangle, and if they pop signet of stone you can’t hurt them, but you can still gain life force off of them.

Really try to learn where you can LOS in as many places as possible, it’s a big help to know.

For mesmers I’ll dodge the illusionary berserker (greatsword illusion) and then try to save a dodge for a shatter. Most mesmers will blow a lot of defensive cooldowns early, and to me it comes down to dodging their burstiest skills and then you can basically sit in DS and blast them down. Most mesmers are super overwhelming in a short amount of time but if you can land your dodges and CC and have some life force, you can beat them back. Pretty similar to fighting a medi guard in that aspect.

Tao.5096:

that meta thingie is extremely squishy and doesn’t contribute much to damage it does deal….

I really don’t think that particular build should even be called meta. It’s really not the best power necro build available.

NeXeD.3042:

Tao.5096:

that meta thingie is extremely squishy and doesn’t contribute much to damage it does deal….

I really don’t think that particular build should even be called meta. It’s really not the best power necro build available.

There is always that 1 special snowflake who knows it better than Nos.. if this build’s good enough for him it should be good enough for you too.

What would you change? I assume you’d take the WvW approach and sacrifice incredibly significant AoE pressure (wells and DS piercing) for sustain.

witcher.3197:

NeXeD.3042:

Tao.5096:

that meta thingie is extremely squishy and doesn’t contribute much to damage it does deal….

I really don’t think that particular build should even be called meta. It’s really not the best power necro build available.

There is always that 1 special snowflake who knows it better than Nos.. if this build’s good enough for him it should be good enough for you too.

What would you change? I assume you’d take the WvW approach and sacrifice incredibly significant AoE pressure (wells and DS piercing) for sustain.

When does Nos ever use this build or any high level necro for that matter.

But since you ask! I wouldn’t sacrifice ds piercing I would sacrifice one well. Maybe both but I would be replacing one with another. Isn’t ds piercing and wells the wvw meta……..

I’m not a wvw player. I came in to the game as a pvp player, I tried the gvg thing for a while but it got boring so fast.

I also wouldn’t keep the air fire sigils on the staff, I do use them on warhorn dagger. The builds not all bad don’t misunderstand me it’s pretty close to the one I use the most with the exception I do 4/4/0/0/6. D/w air fire, staff energy the next sigil is preference typically battle, fire, generosity are the ones I use. Pack runes and utilities sa and sw the next one is up to you but I typically take wos,wop,cb,bip depending on what I see I’m going against.

I know you want to defend your website and you are doing a good thing with it… there are just some builds I don’t agree with as I will usually tailor my builds a little bit depending on what I see I’m going against.

Who’s Nos?

/Message Body length must at least be 15.

imaclown.1628:

witcher.3197:

NeXeD.3042:

Tao.5096:

that meta thingie is extremely squishy and doesn’t contribute much to damage it does deal….

I really don’t think that particular build should even be called meta. It’s really not the best power necro build available.

There is always that 1 special snowflake who knows it better than Nos.. if this build’s good enough for him it should be good enough for you too.

What would you change? I assume you’d take the WvW approach and sacrifice incredibly significant AoE pressure (wells and DS piercing) for sustain.

When does Nos ever use this build or any high level necro for that matter.

But since you ask! I wouldn’t sacrifice ds piercing I would sacrifice one well. Maybe both but I would be replacing one with another. Isn’t ds piercing and wells the wvw meta……..

I’m not a wvw player. I came in to the game as a pvp player, I tried the gvg thing for a while but it got boring so fast.

I also wouldn’t keep the air fire sigils on the staff, I do use them on warhorn dagger. The builds not all bad don’t misunderstand me it’s pretty close to the one I use the most with the exception I do 4/4/0/0/6. D/w air fire, staff energy the next sigil is preference typically battle, fire, generosity are the ones I use. Pack runes and utilities sa and sw the next one is up to you but I typically take wos,wop,cb,bip depending on what I see I’m going against.

I know you want to defend your website and you are doing a good thing with it… there are just some builds I don’t agree with as I will usually tailor my builds a little bit depending on what I see I’m going against.

So you don’t think that’s the meta power build… But you think a spec that is super similar with some personal preferences is more the meta? Im not sure what your point is if that’s the only changes you make.

Roe.3679:

imaclown.1628:

witcher.3197:

NeXeD.3042:

Tao.5096:

that meta thingie is extremely squishy and doesn’t contribute much to damage it does deal….

I really don’t think that particular build should even be called meta. It’s really not the best power necro build available.

There is always that 1 special snowflake who knows it better than Nos.. if this build’s good enough for him it should be good enough for you too.

What would you change? I assume you’d take the WvW approach and sacrifice incredibly significant AoE pressure (wells and DS piercing) for sustain.

When does Nos ever use this build or any high level necro for that matter.

But since you ask! I wouldn’t sacrifice ds piercing I would sacrifice one well. Maybe both but I would be replacing one with another. Isn’t ds piercing and wells the wvw meta……..

I’m not a wvw player. I came in to the game as a pvp player, I tried the gvg thing for a while but it got boring so fast.

I also wouldn’t keep the air fire sigils on the staff, I do use them on warhorn dagger. The builds not all bad don’t misunderstand me it’s pretty close to the one I use the most with the exception I do 4/4/0/0/6. D/w air fire, staff energy the next sigil is preference typically battle, fire, generosity are the ones I use. Pack runes and utilities sa and sw the next one is up to you but I typically take wos,wop,cb,bip depending on what I see I’m going against.

I know you want to defend your website and you are doing a good thing with it… there are just some builds I don’t agree with as I will usually tailor my builds a little bit depending on what I see I’m going against.

So you don’t think that’s the meta power build… But you think a spec that is super similar with some personal preferences is more the meta? Im not sure what your point is if that’s the only changes you make.

It’s still different is it not? Sigils are changed, runes are changed, utilities are changed. Traits are changed as well. What is the definition of a different build vs personalized….. I feel like there is a lot of room here if the build I mean is just a personalized version of that meta build I am genuinely curious here not trying to be a smart kitten .

@ tao nos = noscoc one of if not the best pvp necro in game, although I must be honest I really haven’t seen him play power necro, I must miss it evertyime I’ve watched him.

2 of 14 traits? Same amulet? 1 utility is different, and just a different stunbreak? That’s the same build with some personal flair.

imaclown.1628:

When does Nos ever use this build or any high level necro for that matter.

Power necs are not common at major tournaments, but top necs still use this build sometimes when they are queing for rated matches. Here is some gameplay footage by Nos using the exact same build (video starts as condi but then he switches to power). You can find the build in his stream description too.

I also wouldn’t keep the air fire sigils on the staff, I do use them on warhorn dagger. The builds not all bad don’t misunderstand me it’s pretty close to the one I use the most with the exception I do 4/4/0/0/6. D/w air fire, staff energy the next sigil is preference typically battle, fire, generosity are the ones I use. Pack runes and utilities sa and sw the next one is up to you but I typically take wos,wop,cb,bip depending on what I see I’m going against.

I understand what you’re trying to do with that trait change, but it’s not worth it at all. The rest comes down to personal preference and all of those are listed on the site as customization options, and regarding sigils/rune I’m running the same as you

I know you want to defend your website

Again, it’s not mine. I’m just a contributor like anyone else.

there are just some builds I don’t agree with

That right there is called an opinion, not a fact.

Tao.5096:

Who’s Nos?

Probably the best nec in the game atm.

Okay, I saw bits of that stream.

Clearly it’s a build that’s effective in pre teams.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNBIhZakjmeartx4GOcTgLUQ+mBQkfQJQ9ZEGPLA-TpBFwACOBA12fo9RAYxhAoaZAAPAAA

This is what I’m using, it’s more than 2 different traits. I’m only losing out on damage when someone is below 50% health. And I can stay alive a lot longer than the other build. I’m going to continue to use it as long as I keep winning. Only running solo i am 28-6, some of those losses are dcs that were only recently added. I suppose it’s just my personal style but anyone that is struggling staying alive with that metabattle build should try this.

imaclown.1628:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNBIhZakjmeartx4GOcTgLUQ+mBQkfQJQ9ZEGPLA-TpBFwACOBA12fo9RAYxhAoaZAAPAAA

This is what I’m using, it’s more than 2 different traits. I’m only losing out on damage when someone is below 50% health. And I can stay alive a lot longer than the other build. I’m going to continue to use it as long as I keep winning. Only running solo i am 28-6, some of those losses are dcs that were only recently added. I suppose it’s just my personal style but anyone that is struggling staying alive with that metabattle build should try this.

But that’s what I’m talking about. You sacrifice way too much damage for a tiny bit of sustain, mainly anti-condition defense. If you have trouble with condies then replace Warhorn with Dagger. If you want more stunbreakers, you can drop 1 dps well (I wouldn’t do this tho), but dropping both is too much – a single well can destroy all the turrets summoned by Supply crate for example.

This version sure is more forgiving, but not better.

imaclown.1628:

I suppose it’s just my personal style but anyone that is struggling staying alive with that metabattle build should try this.

Struggling depends on situation.
And there is no build that will sustain every situation.

That meta build which was made by Nos is working well in pre teamplay and still enforce you mostly to sit tight in Death Shroud in every encounter.

I am playing on EU and I did try a great variety of builds – other people builds, metas etc. And in fact, those glass cannon ones don’t work anymore, except for thief and mesmer, who both stealth themselves frequently.

Problem about glassy builds on EU is that, people learn quickly. They’ll die in first fight, and then they’ll use weaknesses of your build.
DS is a great damage spike but….classes that have nice mobility like Warrior, Guardian, Thief, Mesmer etc, will keep hugging your back.
People also know how to be careful against warhorn skill – one of the reasons why I’m not using it.

Hence, that meta build is bad for newbie necromancers and shouldn’t be recommended for people who are starting to play them.

@Tao
While I agree that staying alive is not always an easy task with this build for beginners if they are being focused in a teamfight, dealing damage is pretty easy. It’s not like a mesmer where you have to be even more careful and bursting takes effort. You hit a mesmer 3 times with your DS autoattacks (and he can’t even use clones to bodblock it because the attack pierces) and he’s dead.

But mesmers aren’t defenseless.
Moa – I’m not fan of elites such as Moa or Lich form, in my case they’re bit too strong cards in fights.
Daze, knockback, Aetherarmor, stealth(target break), stun etc.
They also are quite fast with their skills on greatsword, due to short animations.
They spam boons for themselves etc.

Obviously, mesmer with low armor and unprepared will be downed fast.
I’ve seen many power mesmers who can sustain a lot, spike you highly and even use stealth with clone spawn very well, that takes few precious seconds to retarget that mesmer.

Point is – Nos proved that build bring a lot for organized teams.
GTAoE Wells, almost 100% crit chance on Life Blast with huge spike.
Sustain weakness covered by teammates.

But in my opinion and from experience(since I meet people with such glassy builds) in solo queue they’re not much effective even for experienced players.
And that’s because it’s a gamble – you’ll get a bit more organized enemy team than your own, and you’ll end up 1v2/3 in most cases.

Well this is my current build, which for me is very effective in solo queue. Allows me a good amount of time to sustain enemies and keep good spike damage on enemies.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNAoYWjc0UbbLN20whbinhS6JIAaWoCSq/hcIUB-TpBFwACOBA12fYxhAIxRAAaZAAPAAA

I don’t use GTAoE trait for wells, because I often hug enemies and dps them with daggers, so I have no problem with Life Force upkeep.

Changing cele amulet for zerk one is personal choice. Both have their pluses and minuses.

I lose some dps cause am not glassy build, but, that’s only because I rarely gain any support from teammates and I Skirmish a lot.
So pretty much, I have to care to cover for my weakness alone – and stun/kd fest is quite a hype lately.

witcher.3197:

NeXeD.3042:

Tao.5096:

that meta thingie is extremely squishy and doesn’t contribute much to damage it does deal….

I really don’t think that particular build should even be called meta. It’s really not the best power necro build available.

There is always that 1 special snowflake who knows it better than Nos.. if this build’s good enough for him it should be good enough for you too.

What would you change? I assume you’d take the WvW approach and sacrifice incredibly significant AoE pressure (wells and DS piercing) for sustain.

Umm wait so Nos is the special snowflake? His word is law and we all must follow the all knowing Nos? IDK if a developer tells me something I’ll accept it 100% but Nos is just a player. Sure he has experience but he isn’t a developer. Nos is good but The Abjured is beast and make him look even better. To attack someone for not agreeing with you seems childish.

The part I highlighted just made me lol so very very hard.

Tao.5096:

Well this is my current build, which for me is very effective in solo queue. Allows me a good amount of time to sustain enemies and keep good spike damage on enemies. Also corrupt boon over corruption well for spvp, well of power for stun break, and sigil of power to hit harder and occasionally really ruin someones day.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNAoYWjc0UbbLN20whbinhS6JIAaWoCSq/hcIUB-TpBFwACOBA12fYxhAIxRAAaZAAPAAA

I vouch for this, same as my build except I use axe/warhorn for quick lf generation, and knights for more armor/burst. Unholy sactuary saves so many times and lets you go in harder. Also different utility, corrupt boon (better in spvp over well imo)/sigil of power (hit harder)/well of power (stun break)

So both of them don’t get a say in builds right?

Zoso.8279:

witcher.3197:

NeXeD.3042:

Tao.5096:

that meta thingie is extremely squishy and doesn’t contribute much to damage it does deal….

I really don’t think that particular build should even be called meta. It’s really not the best power necro build available.

There is always that 1 special snowflake who knows it better than Nos.. if this build’s good enough for him it should be good enough for you too.

What would you change? I assume you’d take the WvW approach and sacrifice incredibly significant AoE pressure (wells and DS piercing) for sustain.

Umm wait so Nos is the special snowflake? His word is law and we all must follow the all knowing Nos? IDK if a developer tells me something I’ll accept it 100% but Nos is just a player. Sure he has experience but he isn’t a developer. Nos is good but The Abjured is beast and make him look even better. To attack someone for not agreeing with you seems childish.

The part I highlighted just made me lol so very very hard.

You have no idea what the discussion’s about and I’m not refering to Nos as “special snowflake”, please read it again.

We were discussing what’s more effective and I referred to someone’s build who’s considered to be the best nec atm. Sad truth is, for most people on this forum “easier to play” means “more effective”.

witcher.3197:

Zoso.8279:

witcher.3197:

NeXeD.3042:

Tao.5096:

that meta thingie is extremely squishy and doesn’t contribute much to damage it does deal….

I really don’t think that particular build should even be called meta. It’s really not the best power necro build available.

There is always that 1 special snowflake who knows it better than Nos.. if this build’s good enough for him it should be good enough for you too.

What would you change? I assume you’d take the WvW approach and sacrifice incredibly significant AoE pressure (wells and DS piercing) for sustain.

Umm wait so Nos is the special snowflake? His word is law and we all must follow the all knowing Nos? IDK if a developer tells me something I’ll accept it 100% but Nos is just a player. Sure he has experience but he isn’t a developer. Nos is good but The Abjured is beast and make him look even better. To attack someone for not agreeing with you seems childish.

The part I highlighted just made me lol so very very hard.

You have no idea what the discussion’s about and I’m not refering to Nos as “special snowflake”, please read it again.

We were discussing what’s more effective and I referred to someone’s build who’s considered to be the best nec atm. Sad truth is, for most people on this forum “easier to play” means “more effective”.

Actually it isn’t a very long read to find out what the discussion is about and I know you were referencing NeXeD with the snowflake remark. You basically attacked him for not agreeing with the build and tried to discredit him by making it seem he was only looking for recognition. Which is funny because your making Nos out to be the “snowflake”. Nos isn’t the authority in Necro builds. His opinions might hold more weight because of his experience but the only people who can say definitively what build is best are the developers. If its good enough for him it should be good enough for you? LMFAO!!!!!! Get out of here with that kitten bro.

At OP. Since everyone else is just bickering. Power necro is one of the hardest classes to perfect. You are not going to get it in a couple days or maybe even a week. If you think it is something you might enjoy you must work hard at it and it will pay off. Power Necro IMO is the funnest class/ build to play in the game. Wells/ Dagger AA is very effect in mele but you stated you had problems with rangers & mesmers. This is where death shroud, LifeBlast (1) comes in. You will hit them so hard you will make them pop any invul they have off of 1 hit. They are normally all glass (90% of them) and you will be hitting them for 4-6k average hits. Mesmers usually go for 6-8k hits (can 2 shot) and then they are not a problem. Just got to be more aware of what is around you and where you need to be. Other classes get invuls or leaps to instantly mitigate damage. Your damage mitigation is your brain. Be aware of what everyone is doing around you at all times and you will reap the rewards. Unless you have a thief on your team, it is your job to take out those rangers, mesmers & thieves; which once you get it down is a piece of cake. LB is your best friend in those situations.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread! I am determined to get good at this build. So with that being said, what do you guys consider to be hard counters and 1 v 1 fights that I should tend to avoid? Also if you guys have anymore links to great power necro play on youtube or twitch I would love to be able to watch it, so please link it up! I’ll continue trying to get better and this and hopefully I’ll one day be as good on it as I am on engineer.

Thanks,

Zaragoz

Zoso.8279:

IDK if a developer tells me something I’ll accept it 100% but Nos is just a player

So if I bring an environment artist here to tell you this spec is good you’ll believe him 100%, but you don’t trust someone who’s been playing on the highest level of PvP and has thousands of ranked matches behind him.

Flawless logic. Even if that developer mains a nec, he will have less experience than Nos and that’s what matters.

witcher.3197:

Zoso.8279:

IDK if a developer tells me something I’ll accept it 100% but Nos is just a player

So if I bring an environment artist here to tell you this spec is good you’ll believe him 100%, but you don’t trust someone who’s been playing on the highest level of PvP and has thousands of ranked matches behind him.

Flawless logic. Even if that developer mains a nec, he will have less experience than Nos and that’s what matters.

Flawless logic. The person who creates the build and knows its limits is less credible then the person who executes what they have outlined? If you assume I mean a environmental developer wen talking about builds then idk what to tell you.

Zoso.8279:

witcher.3197:

Zoso.8279:

IDK if a developer tells me something I’ll accept it 100% but Nos is just a player

So if I bring an environment artist here to tell you this spec is good you’ll believe him 100%, but you don’t trust someone who’s been playing on the highest level of PvP and has thousands of ranked matches behind him.

Flawless logic. Even if that developer mains a nec, he will have less experience than Nos and that’s what matters.

Flawless logic. The person who creates the build and knows its limits is less credible then the person who executes what they have outlined? If you assume I mean a environmental developer wen talking about builds then idk what to tell you.

Maybe arenanet had an idea about what they are creating, but you can be sure it was not like: “people will use these traits with exactly these utilities/sigils/runes in that given meta”. Working/popular builds are created by players with considerable experience who are experimenting with the provided tools. You think the guy who invents a sport will be its best player of all times and will understand tactics better than top teams? Arenanet had no idea about dungeon stacking until the game launched and players began to bypass a part of the combat this way.

You’re just arguing for the sake of arguing and can’t contribute to this discussion so let’s not derail this thread.

witcher.3197:

Zoso.8279:

witcher.3197:

Zoso.8279:

IDK if a developer tells me something I’ll accept it 100% but Nos is just a player

So if I bring an environment artist here to tell you this spec is good you’ll believe him 100%, but you don’t trust someone who’s been playing on the highest level of PvP and has thousands of ranked matches behind him.

Flawless logic. Even if that developer mains a nec, he will have less experience than Nos and that’s what matters.

Flawless logic. The person who creates the build and knows its limits is less credible then the person who executes what they have outlined? If you assume I mean a environmental developer wen talking about builds then idk what to tell you.

Maybe arenanet had an idea about what they are creating, but you can be sure it was not like: “people will use these traits with exactly these utilities/sigils/runes in that given meta”. Working/popular builds are created by players with considerable experience who are experimenting with the provided tools. You think the guy who invents a sport will be its best player of all times and will understand tactics better than top teams? Arenanet had no idea about dungeon stacking until the game launched and players began to bypass a part of the combat this way.

You’re just arguing for the sake of arguing and can’t contribute to this discussion so let’s not derail this thread.

Well I do agree that this is going nowhere. If you think Nos is more knowledgeable then a developer then thats your opinion. But don’t belittle someone for haven a different opinion. And of course the developers don’t see every single possible build combination but when they see something that wasn’t intended they change it. Ele whip glitch. And I’m sure they have a general idea of how they want each class to be played.

I’ll tell you the only class with that 2/0/6/0/6 build that really gives me trouble 1-1 (cant seem to outplay a really good one) is mesmer. They keep stealthing and coming back with high health while Im flooded with illusions. I miss having a ranger pet that keeps them pressured.

Zoso.8279:

But don’t belittle someone for haven a different opinion.

Lol I did not want to do that, I apologize if it felt that way. :P

I just don’t like it when people present their (often incorrect) opinions as facts. When I couldn’t manage to convince NeXed I’ve tried to point at someone who could, that’s all. Top players are the ones who are pushing builds to the limit and effectiveness becomes more important than difficulty. Like how you don’t see any PU mesmers in tournaments but it’s a popular build among beginners because shatter is a lot harder (but also a lot better).

Kilger.5490:

I’ll tell you the only class with that 2/0/6/0/6 build that really gives me trouble 1-1 (cant seem to outplay a really good one) is mesmer. They keep stealthing and coming back with high health while Im flooded with illusions. I miss having a ranger pet that keeps them pressured.

It doesn’t matter what class I play, I can never seem to get a handle on Mesmers. I even created one and played it some to try and get used to its skills and I still can’t counter the class. It’s my kryptonite.

Aside from Mesmer though, I’d say the Ranger class is the one I feel most counters me and I can’t blame my own personal skill on the loss. The lack of a gap closer, poor mobility, limited options against entangle, and only energy sigils to help with dodges is such a nightmare. I’m actually eager to give your build a shot to see if the passive regen while in shroud can help me out some.

But yea, losing to a Ranger really bothers me because I know if I were on my Ranger he wouldn’t have stood a chance. Really feels like the class just wasn’t given the tools to handle Rangers.

Zerker ranger/zerker shatter mesmer/a thief that gets a good jump on you with low life force/warriors will give a power necro most problems.

Most deaths will come from lack of lifeforce/team not peeling properly for you.

L Step.8659:

Zerker ranger/zerker shatter mesmer/a thief that gets a good jump on you with low life force/warriors will give a power necro most problems.

Most deaths will come from lack of lifeforce/team not peeling properly for you.

And that’s honestly the thing I hate most about this class. The idea that I need others to peal the melee train off me because there aren’t enough options.

What really bothers me is it’s the same thing I dealt with in WoW as a Warlock, but even Blizzard determined the class needed some mobility and tools to make them a really sturdy class. Soul Link wasn’t enough there just like Deathshroud isn’t enough here (imo).

witcher.3197:

Zoso.8279:

But don’t belittle someone for haven a different opinion.

Lol I did not want to do that, I apologize if it felt that way. :P

I just don’t like it when people present their (often incorrect) opinions as facts. When I couldn’t manage to convince NeXed I’ve tried to point at someone who could, that’s all. Top players are the ones who are pushing builds to the limit and effectiveness becomes more important than difficulty. Like how you don’t see any PU mesmers in tournaments but it’s a popular build among beginners because shatter is a lot harder (but also a lot better).

Well then I’m glad it was just me misunderstanding your intent. Like I said before I completely agree “pro” players opinions have more weight then most because of their experience but sometimes random people can look at a problem differently and surprise everyone. Even the most knowledgeable build enthusiast. But again glad it was just a misunderstanding. And fact checkers are always needed so I don’t mind criticizing post and keep doing work on metabattle I always reference it to people who need help with builds or want to get a general idea of how builds work.

Zoso.8279:

If you think Nos is more knowledgeable then a developer then thats your opinion.

Is it really surprising to you that players would know more about certain parts of a game than the developers? There are people who invest thousands of hours in playing just one class, probably more than most devs can afford to play in total. Also, game developers have to rely on their player base to source out bugs or form a certain meta. It’s impossible in a game of this complexity to predict all of it beforehand.

On a sidenote, I’ve met Nos a few times on his european account, imo the only great thing about him is his ego.

Zoso.8279:

Nos is good but The Abjured is beast and make him look even better.

This.

witcher.3197:

Zoso.8279:

But don’t belittle someone for haven a different opinion.

Lol I did not want to do that, I apologize if it felt that way. :P

I just don’t like it when people present their (often incorrect) opinions as facts. When I couldn’t manage to convince NeXed I’ve tried to point at someone who could, that’s all. Top players are the ones who are pushing builds to the limit and effectiveness becomes more important than difficulty. Like how you don’t see any PU mesmers in tournaments but it’s a popular build among beginners because shatter is a lot harder (but also a lot better).

Except Nos doesn’t push that build at all. No one does. None of the current necros that play in tournaments use that build.

Currently the only role necro has is roaming, wells make for kittenty roaming builds. I don’t dislike the build because it’s harder to play I dislike it because it takes two useless utilities and ctd which isnt useful as often as you would like to think. Offensive wells are useless on a roaming class against anyone that’s not completely braindead.

Hell I bet even Lexi’s bot knows to move out of the well.

^ It’s conquest, they either let go of the cap or facetank that AoE. It’s also very good for baiting CDs.

i especially love DPS wells because if a thief’s training you, you can cast them at your feet and it’ll easily let you freecast for a while or else if they attempt to fight in it they go down under 2-3 seconds.

imaclown.1628:

witcher.3197:

Zoso.8279:

But don’t belittle someone for haven a different opinion.

Lol I did not want to do that, I apologize if it felt that way. :P

I just don’t like it when people present their (often incorrect) opinions as facts. When I couldn’t manage to convince NeXed I’ve tried to point at someone who could, that’s all. Top players are the ones who are pushing builds to the limit and effectiveness becomes more important than difficulty. Like how you don’t see any PU mesmers in tournaments but it’s a popular build among beginners because shatter is a lot harder (but also a lot better).

Except Nos doesn’t push that build at all. No one does. None of the current necros that play in tournaments use that build.

Currently the only role necro has is roaming, wells make for kittenty roaming builds. I don’t dislike the build because it’s harder to play I dislike it because it takes two useless utilities and ctd which isnt useful as often as you would like to think. Offensive wells are useless on a roaming class against anyone that’s not completely braindead.

Hell I bet even Lexi’s bot knows to move out of the well.

What about radioactive? They use 2 power necros.

Neither of them that build. Pretty sure they both use axe

witcher.3197:

^ It’s conquest, they either let go of the cap or facetank that AoE. It’s also very good for baiting CDs.

i especially love DPS wells because if a thief’s training you, you can cast them at your feet and it’ll easily let you freecast for a while or else if they attempt to fight in it they go down under 2-3 seconds.

You want to use a well to bait out another classes cooldowns? Ok…. baiting out what? The defense against wells is just don’t stand in it lol….

Dps wells vs theif. Theif sees well theif waits while shortbowing you while you attempt to hit a theif with staff and marks on a power necro…. theif gonna win that one. I’d let a necro freecast staff at me all day and if I see he goes into ds I just back off for a second and come back and own the necro who just burned a utility for no reason as well as his ds is either used up or on cd now and that build doesn’t use ntd.

Yes it’s conquest but a necro right now is a +1 roaming class not a point holder.

@OP
PM me ingame and i’d be glad to give tips or even 1v1 sparring duels.. been playing power necro a good bit in ranked and unranked and have even carried teams in both.

Also, don’t use staff as a power weapon. Swap it with axe/focus and make sure you keep that LF up so you can burst down anything in just a few seconds or even just to use DS as an oh kitten! Button