Guild Wars 2

Any ideas on how to deal with organised thief duos? (WvWvW)

Fought two organised perma stealth thieves and it was an absolute nightmare to fight them as they kept comboing off each others smoke powder, alternating c&d and using shadow refuge, very protracted fight but one that woree myself and another beastmaster ranger down eventually.

Lost every engagement to them with out even denting them, I run a hybrid beastmaster ranger, generally I find thieves on their lonesome not much an issue this was something bordering on ridiculous.

2 thieves how you gonna beat that? no matter what spec you have you’ll lose they have to be kittened for any other outcome since they can just alternate if you are some very tough bunker/regen spec and if you’re abit softer they’ll just light you up in a split second.

If you mean 2v2 then 2 trap rangers maybe but even then I think the thieves have to be idiots to lose.

if they start losing they run away and you cant do anything about it

If the are both d/p and you aren’t a Regen build the best you can do is grab your ankles and pray for spit. Unless they are both terrible it’s going to be an extremely difficult fight.

Meurto.8520:

Unless they are both terrible it’s going to be an extremely difficult fight.

^Pretty much this..

To word it a bit differently;

If the thieves are even remotely competent, it is a fight you will lose and there isnt much you can do about it.

Drag them into the water and hope they go for you there…beyond that you have to disengage or you will just give them loot…

psy.5437:

Any ideas on how to deal with organised thief duos? (WvWvW)

Fought two organised perma stealth thieves and it was an absolute nightmare to fight them as they kept comboing off each others smoke powder, alternating c&d and using shadow refuge, very protracted fight but one that woree myself and another beastmaster ranger down eventually.

Lost every engagement to them with out even denting them, I run a hybrid beastmaster ranger, generally I find thieves on their lonesome not much an issue this was something bordering on ridiculous.

What the heck is a perma stealth thief? Please if you answer this than maybe I’ll have a way to help you because I don’t think your gonna be able to kill something you can never see too easily.

Against permastealth thieves you need to rely on damage that can hit them without being targeted, so condition damage from traps, and channeled attacks like Warhorn 4 and Longbow 2. (and longbow is a poor weapon for small scale fights in my opinion)

Really your best bet is to be high condition specced and very mobile. If you run 1h sword you can stay highly mobile with evades from the 2 and 3 skills, and you can focus on dropping traps all over your feet to rack up the damage on the thief. Basically all you have to do is dance and not die, and you should ‘win’ in the sense that the thief will be losing health and you won’t—but there is NOTHING you can do to prevent them from running away.

And against two of them? Solo I would advise running away. With another ranger? I would still advise running away unless you two are coordinated and running similar builds designed to take on stealthers. You can escape a thief no problem with 1h sword or even Greatsword.

Now if what you want to do is actually KILL a permastealth thief, you have one option only. Stealth trap. Buy a bunch, always keep 10 supply on you and don’t build with it. When you run into a permastealth thief, pop Protect Me or traited SoS and maybe even RaO to ensure you don’t get interrupted and drop the trap on your feet. The most important thing you have to remember when trapping a thief is that they can still kill you unstealthed, if you waste 50% of your health just getting the trap down, you’re still going to lose the fight, or worse, have to withdraw to recover your health, wasting precious seconds of Revealed. Thieves are generally incredibly squishy, so don’t be afraid to pop your cooldowns to ensure that you are not hurting while laying the trap. Most likely a thief will panic once they do get the 30s of Revealed, so you won’t need your defensive skills as much. If you succeed in trapping them—put as much slow on them as you can, cripples, chills, immobs, and go all out. This is your chance at revenge—make it count!

psy.5437:

Any ideas on how to deal with organised thief duos? (WvWvW)

Fought two organised perma stealth thieves and it was an absolute nightmare to fight them as they kept comboing off each others smoke powder, alternating c&d and using shadow refuge, very protracted fight but one that woree myself and another beastmaster ranger down eventually.

Lost every engagement to them with out even denting them, I run a hybrid beastmaster ranger, generally I find thieves on their lonesome not much an issue this was something bordering on ridiculous.

uhm, more then 1 thief….

GS #3 + S #2 + “Become the Snow Leo” – GTFO. The only thing you can “win” at in that situation is by denying them some lootbags.

In order to kill shadow arts D/P thieves you need someone who can gib them.

Condition builds won’t dent them. Tanky builds won’t dent them.

You need to gib them in between their revealed periods.

That means you either bring scepter/dagger elementalists who can instant gib one thief and cast DragonTooth>Circle of Flame>Phoenix>Flame Grab into a shadow refuge so the other thief can’t rez him.

Or you bring a mesmer with you to give you stealth when they stealth and then you go for a gib.

Duo d/d eles should also be able to kill them as the eles carry more CC than those thieves carry stun breakers.

AGAIN, you will NOT kill competent thieves unless you have a spec that can burst them down. Condition builds work against bad thieves with no point in shadow arts condi removal.

The only combo you might pull off as condi spec is engineers with supply drop. That may annihilate.

But for thief you either need more CC than they can break out of, or bucketloads of burst.

http://www.twitch.tv/teldoo/c/2367904

This is the kind of builds that can counter thieves. You need to be able to counterburst them.