Guild Wars 2

Daredevil looks extremely similar to a melee ranger concept.

Not that I’m complaining too terribly much, this is the first thing they’ve shown from HoT that has me considering buying it, since I love melee ranger so much. If they’re not going to fix up rangers to a satisfactory degree, maybe I can play something similar.

Thives claim evasiveness was their domain and that we were steppin on their doamin, especially after the acrobatics nerf. In terms of style. our melee fighting was always somthing between thief evasiveness adn warrior defence and sustain. I think its fine thives are bing more defined by dodges and evasiveness over other classes, especially if it means less stealth play. Thives still got less access to defensive boons and traints like we do(and ofc less hp). I hope druid will have somthing to add for your favorit playstyle. Regardless, daredevil looks very nice for thives

Well, acrobatics thieves used to be a thing, with evades and CCs, so there was always some toestepping. Feels more like they nerfed that traitline in preparation for daredevil if you ask me.

Speaking of which, I’d imagine a ranger elite spec with mainhand dagger or off-hand sword would be stepping on thief’s toes aswell. Both archtypes fits similiar kinds of melee combat, with ranger perhaps distinguishing itself by leaning a tad towards warriors aswell. At least in my opinion.

I don’t feel as though DD is stepping on Ranger’s toes too much. Stealth and evasion is all thieves have as defense. We get Protection, Evasion, Invulnerability, Blocking and a bulk load of Regeneration sources.

I’m looking forward to trying this out. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Build-Untouchable-Duelist

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

I don’t feel as though DD is stepping on Ranger’s toes too much. Stealth and evasion is all thieves have as defense. We get Protection, Evasion, Invulnerability, Blocking and a bulk load of Regeneration sources

The daredevil gets a skill that at least in description is completely identical to our counterattack, so they at least also get blocking. Reading through the daredevil description, there wasn’t anything I could find that didn’t sound like one of the ranger sword skills. And lightning reflexes sounds like their new dodge rolls.

I guess we’ll see during the video, but it sounded like they just reskinned a melee ranger to me. This may be completely intentional on their part, sort of like how people thought dragon hunter might be for those people that want to play a pet-less ranger. Daredevil may be 100% intended for ranger players.

Fluffball.8307:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

I don’t feel as though DD is stepping on Ranger’s toes too much. Stealth and evasion is all thieves have as defense. We get Protection, Evasion, Invulnerability, Blocking and a bulk load of Regeneration sources

The daredevil gets a skill that at least in description is completely identical to our counterattack, so they at least also get blocking. Reading through the daredevil description, there wasn’t anything I could find that didn’t sound like one of the ranger sword skills. And lightning reflexes sounds like their new dodge rolls.

I guess we’ll see during the video, but it sounded like they just reskinned a melee ranger to me. This may be completely intentional on their part, sort of like how people thought dragon hunter might be for those people that want to play a pet-less ranger. Daredevil may be 100% intended for ranger players.

And you know what? S/D really looks fantastic with DD/Acro/Trickery and I will definitely play that in WvW for the endless evasion.

Their blocking skill is not as good as Counterattack though, math wise. Although it has a 2s KD instead of a KB, the block duration is only 1s. Yeah, there are a lot of similarities, like the dodge mechanic change to LR, without the best part of LR ofc.

That sort of thing was always going to happen. Seriously, how creative can you be? If everything they made was not even similar to something that already existed, they would take a year just coming up with ideas for it. And people see patterns where none exist.

So, Druid will have aspects and glyphs, 100% chance that they seem similar to Ele traits and or skills, imo…

“We feel rangers can dodge too much, so even though their 50% endurance regen trait didn’t stack with vigor and thieves’ Feline Grace was far better, we’re gona nerf it down to 25% hurr durr spvp whine.”

“Oh, wait, but all those dodges need to go somewhere, why not give them to the top tier class already flooded with teleports and avoidance anyways. Here thieves, have some of the dodging we took from rangers lolololol”

Zenith.7301:

“We feel rangers can dodge too much, so even though their 50% endurance regen trait didn’t stack with vigor and thieves’ Feline Grace was far better, we’re gona nerf it down to 25% hurr durr spvp whine.”

“Oh, wait, but all those dodges need to go somewhere, why not give them to the top tier class already flooded with teleports and avoidance anyways. Here thieves, have some of the dodging we took from rangers lolololol”

Ow! I wanted to contradict you as I’m conditioned to swat at route ranger-bashers, but that one actually made sense. Give me one second though, I haven’t watched the daredevil video yet so I haven’t got a chance to analyze its weaknesses.

I think the thing about watching the DD POI that scared me the most was that the DD was the first Elite Spec that did not change a profession’s mechanic by default when selected. One would have to take a trait and it changed the dodge, which was pretty cool.

Why it scares me is that Druid could face something similar. The POI stated that a previous iteration of DD was that each of the 3 endurance bars changed the dodge depending on how much endurance you had left, but was altered into traits because it was too complicated.

That being said, this could possibly be implemented onto the Druid as well. Meaning the Ranger pet mechanic won’t alter, aspects are tied as choosing 1 of 3 GM traits (which a datamined background happens to be a Bear, Bird, and Wolf), and glyphs could be a set spell, or at most, change depending on which aspect trait is taken.

Though, I’m getting ahead of myself. I’ve been drinking and it’s 3am. Haha! :P

Well, the datamined trait refers to aspect swapping, I’m assuming in combat, so if that stays, its not just one aspect at a time.

Being able to access more skills through aspects is very much what we need, even if some are rubbish, others will be good. And we would actually have a rotation. We currently have the least amount of available skills to use at any given time, equal with warrior, but they can swap weapons every 5s.

The Thief gets the sword fix! Look at the third staff ability and compare it to Hornet Sting, Hornet Sting looks completely clunky compared to the staff.

Yeah, I saw that. “Bash them on the head with your staff and roll back.”

It was quick, instant, and beautiful. Something I wish Hornet’s Sting was, but I guess a Ranger is supposed to be thematically slower in their eyes? lol

Wondrouswall.7169:

Yeah, I saw that. “Bash them on the head with your staff and roll back.”

It was quick, instant, and beautiful. Something I wish Hornet’s Sting was, but I guess a Ranger is supposed to be thematically slower in their eyes? lol

Its much better compared to SB with the extra immob removal- when GW2 released i think also SB 3 had immob removal, but I guss that a specialization/class that focuses on dodges and evades should have stong ani immob abilites.

Fluffball.8307:

Zenith.7301:

“We feel rangers can dodge too much, so even though their 50% endurance regen trait didn’t stack with vigor and thieves’ Feline Grace was far better, we’re gona nerf it down to 25% hurr durr spvp whine.”

“Oh, wait, but all those dodges need to go somewhere, why not give them to the top tier class already flooded with teleports and avoidance anyways. Here thieves, have some of the dodging we took from rangers lolololol”

Ow! I wanted to contradict you as I’m conditioned to swat at route ranger-bashers, but that one actually made sense. Give me one second though, I haven’t watched the daredevil video yet so I haven’t got a chance to analyze its weaknesses.

Honestly, ATM thieves are very underwhelming. Since the trait changes, I havnt lost 1v1 vs a thief, even sruvived 1vs2 thives(which was the ultimate combo for fast killing) so I realy think they needed the power creep. For old builds you can look at the DD as better acrobatics, which will bring back the goold old S/D play. For new builds we’ll have to see.

For my high end PVE I’ll have to play it and see if it’s better than dagger/dagger. I don’t think it’s going to be better than dagger/dagger but, just, different. So far, it’s the first elite spec I’m looking forward to.

And holding out hope for the Druid to bring me back to the Ranger fell quickly after yesterday’s POI because a highly mobile high DPS toon sounds perfect to me… just need to play it in action first.

LughLongArm.5460:

Honestly, ATM thieves are very underwhelming. Since the trait changes, I havnt lost 1v1 vs a thief, even sruvived 1vs2 thives(which was the ultimate combo for fast killing) so I realy think they needed the power creep. For old builds you can look at the DD as better acrobatics, which will bring back the goold old S/D play. For new builds we’ll have to see.

I have not been playing much lately because I’m annoyed at GW2, but unless something has changed, thieves are required for a PvP team to be competitive. It’s literally the only profession you can’t do without.

Fluffball.8307:

LughLongArm.5460:

Honestly, ATM thieves are very underwhelming. Since the trait changes, I havnt lost 1v1 vs a thief, even sruvived 1vs2 thives(which was the ultimate combo for fast killing) so I realy think they needed the power creep. For old builds you can look at the DD as better acrobatics, which will bring back the goold old S/D play. For new builds we’ll have to see.

I have not been playing much lately because I’m annoyed at GW2, but unless something has changed, thieves are required for a PvP team to be competitive. It’s literally the only profession you can’t do without.

Ay, we’re going to make 5 ele’s work even if it kills us!

Herald seems to take our spot for fury uptime now
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Facet_of_Darkness

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

Herald seems to take our spot for fury uptime now
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Facet_of_Darkness

Not just Fury, everything Spirit related. They took Spirit from Ranger, gutted it and gave a better version to Rev with reliable actives. Not only it’s mobile, but unkillable and unremovable.

Water Spirit = Facet of Light (More or less)
Frost Spirit = Facet of Strength
Stone Spirit = Facet of Chaos
Storm Spirit = Facet of Elements
Sun Spirit = Not comparable. Elemental Blast from Facet of Element ?
Spirit of Nature = Not comparable.

I’m still completely confused about ranger’s design. ive played every viable build in existence in the last 3 years, and only LB/GS builds had a distinct “feel” to them. condi melee builds didn’t feel like much, mostly evasion spam tanking. i think it’s really sad how most of our weapons and utilities still need so many tweaks or reworks.

Krispera.5087:

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

Herald seems to take our spot for fury uptime now
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Facet_of_Darkness

Not just Fury, everything Spirit related. They took Spirit from Ranger, gutted it and gave a better version to Rev with reliable actives. Not only it’s mobile, but unkillable and unremovable.

Water Spirit = Facet of Light (More or less)
Frost Spirit = Facet of Strength
Stone Spirit = Facet of Chaos
Storm Spirit = Facet of Elements
Sun Spirit = Not comparable. Elemental Blast from Facet of Element ?
Spirit of Nature = Not comparable.

Funny is that when play testing the Herald spec, it reminded me of those suggestion threads proposing Spirits be turned into an orb or wisp that follows the Ranger. I’m still laughing about this… on the inside…