Guild Wars 2

Haven’t try my ranger since patch and tonight I tried it again. And guess what ? — I found my burst build no longer work !!!!!!!!
I build for extreme GS burst, have 3k+ power, 115% crit damage and all my trait / utility is set for a super big maul hit. Before patch I can constantly hit any1 10k+ with my 1st maul, VS thief it will be 15k+ guaranteed as long as my maul land (it’s either 0 or 15k+), But today, guess what damage I did to a thief ?? --— 1.6k !!!!!!!
I tried again VS another thief, my maul landed — 1.8k!!!!!!!!
From 15k+ to 1.6k or 1.8k !!!!!!!!!!! It’s almost 10x time nerf !!!!!!!!!!!!! This is extremely ridiculous and unacceptable.
I don’t know what happened to either GS damage or damage fomula but it makes my build totally useless……
I require an explanation…..

Are you high?!

/15 char

Stop farming underlvls’s.

3000+(power)x1100(wp damage)x1.5(SoH)x1.25(SoW)x1.5(Maul coef)x1.1(SF)x1.1(HT)x1.1(scholar)x1.05(vul)x2.65(crit damage) / target armor

Go calculate yourself. Maybe less than 10k vs some extreme bunkers, but I have landed 12k+ on a lv80 bunker guardian before patch.

My highest record on thief is 19.5k (lv80).

But today —- 1.6 or 1.8k, it’s either certain of modifier above bugged (maybe 10% instead of 110%? then it will make perfect sense) or those 2 thieves have 30k+ armor.

mas.7401:

Stop farming underlvls’s.

15k? is that for real?

Valentin.2073:

15k? is that for real?

On sPvP i hit a thief with a 10k maul, you can only have 60% critical damage in sPvP so in WvW am not suprise biggers hits can be achieved

I’m not 100% sure, but…

likely that your power is around 2000+, the formula counts with the Power from the Hero Panel, not with the attack (from the first column not the second).

I have a spreadsheet exactly for LB AA and Maul.
Entering your numbers but using 2191 Attack and not using the SoH and SoW bonus damage (also might, no ranger runes, no flanking, etc…):

Armor=2700, min: 3210 max: 3548 avg: 3379
Armor=3000, min: 2889 max: 3193 avg: 3041
Armor=3500, min: 2476 max: 2737 avg: 2607

SoH and SoW, 2700 armor (avg)= 6335

Your number is about right, but I do have 3000+ power but not 3000+ atk (I have 4000+ atk).
I have posted my build and status before, my ranger has 2697 power (3852 atk) w/o any buff. I always kill some cheap mob near spawn to get 25 stacks of bloodlust 1st, and 2 signet give me another 210 power, I have 2697+250+210=3157 power. If plus other resources (e.g. more might stacks, server bloodlust), I have even more power.
And steady focus that’s another 10%, rune of scholar another 10%, flanking another 10% (I use siamoth steath 1st so flanking is not big issure for me), sigil of force antoher 5%, and in most of time my stealthed juguar will apply 5x vul just right before my maul land, that’s anther 5%.
So you number 6335/2000×3157×1.1x1.1×1.05×1.05=13340 is the avg number I can land on a target with 2700 armor. And thief (especially BS thief) usually don’t have that much armor. 15k is really not a big number on them.
My ranger build is not viable build either for zerg or roaming since I have no survival, but it’s a fun build. I play it time to time when I got bored with other classes. It is to surprise ppl, especially when BS thief think they can get some cheap kills behind others’ back, I am hunting them and 1 shot kill them behind their back.
However, this patch take away this fun from me.

Aggrostemma.1703:

I’m not 100% sure, but…

likely that your power is around 2000+, the formula counts with the Power from the Hero Panel, not with the attack (from the first column not the second).

I have a spreadsheet exactly for LB AA and Maul.
Entering your numbers but using 2191 Attack and not using the SoH and SoW bonus damage (also might, no ranger runes, no flanking, etc…):

Armor=2700, min: 3210 max: 3548 avg: 3379
Armor=3000, min: 2889 max: 3193 avg: 3041
Armor=3500, min: 2476 max: 2737 avg: 2607

SoH and SoW, 2700 armor (avg)= 6335

Sneakier.9460:

Valentin.2073:

15k? is that for real?

On sPvP i hit a thief with a 10k maul, you can only have 60% critical damage in sPvP so in WvW am not suprise biggers hits can be achieved

Me too..10k is the highest ive ever reach with Maul in sPvP…
Too glassy tho..And i was getting a feeling that i was a burden

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/135953/gw137.jpg

That picture is 3 weeks old… That is Durzlla, the guy who hosts the ranger podcast, so yeah, you can burst pretty hard with maul.

The 6335 is with traited Signet of the Beastmaster and using the Signet of the Hunt and the Wild… This gives a multiplier of 1,875 (1,5 and 1,25)

So your 13340 must be divided by 1,875 = 7115 crit

It is still not the number you mentioned in your original post, but much less then the 15k.

P.s.: that’s why I stopped playing power build. Heavy investment in traits and gear, sacrificing all the survivability for what? A 4000-5000 crit once in a year IF it hits at all???

No way! (:

Of coz I have the signet traited for a GS burst build.
13340 is the damage vs 2700 armor target, BS thief usually have only ~2k armor, so theoratically I can land 20k+ on them, but I have never achieve that yet before patch.

Aggrostemma.1703:

The 6335 is with traited Signet of the Beastmaster and using the Signet of the Hunt and the Wild… This gives a multiplier of 1,875 (1,5 and 1,25)

So your 13340 must be divided by 1,875 = 7115 crit

It is still not the number you mentioned in your original post, but much less then the 15k.

P.s.: that’s why I stopped playing power build. Heavy investment in traits and gear, sacrificing all the survivability for what? A 4000-5000 crit once in a year IF it hits at all???

No way! (:

#Prysin: Impressive number, TROLOLOL

But if you have a look at the picture you can see: he used EVERYTHING for that single hit… 3 signets, RaO, Stalker F2. Full BL stack and 18! stacks of might.

I don’t want to judge this playstyle, but I think it’s a ’high risk – sometimes no reward" situation.

Can you burst with Maul? Sure!
Worth it? I think no…

#CRabbit: I don’t know what’s going on then…
I created my signet build for this reason: I tried to burst with Maul. I didn’t get the crits I was expecting so I made a spreadsheet do check my results. The number in this sheet are MUCH higher then what I see on my screen. It can be a Ninja-nerf or wrong calculation.

I have no idea now S:

Before patch I can hit what I was expecting, sometime little bit lower maybe becoz my pet failed land vul or I didn’t manage to flank, but the number can still satisfy me and in most of time just 1-hit kill.
However, this is just not going to work now. My best guess is certain modifier bugged (it calculate as 10% instead +10%) , VS those 2 thieves, 16k / 18k should be the number which I used to get. (instead of 1.6k and 1.8k)

Aggrostemma.1703:

#CRabbit: I don’t know what’s going on then…
I created my signet build for this reason: I tried to burst with Maul. I didn’t get the crits I was expecting so I made a spreadsheet do check my results. The number in this sheet are MUCH higher then what I see on my screen. It can be a Ninja-nerf or wrong calculation.

I have no idea now S:

just switch to shortbow and use qz. GS is such a bad weapon on a ranger, IMO.

Considering you are talking about a 90% damage nerf, I think if something was really off then more people would be saying something. was it glancing? you can’t check his gear so that is hard to judge, did you not have any might, did you have weakness, no vulnerability. Sorry mate, don’t have more answers for you, were your traits reset?

Send bug reports when it happens – I’m still doing 1,5/2k maul with my hybrid build… don’t think they’d willingly nerf burst builds to lower damages than non-burst…

Ken DeBoer.9268:

Considering you are talking about a 90% damage nerf, I think if something was really off then more people would be saying something. was it glancing? you can’t check his gear so that is hard to judge, did you not have any might, did you have weakness, no vulnerability. Sorry mate, don’t have more answers for you, were your traits reset?

That’s my assumption here, he just had weakness on him.

You probably auto-attacked by accident and lost your buff, and maybe had weakness and fumbled. That would easily give the numbers you stated. No, maul burst builds are not nerfed, I hit 10k+ when I time everything right frequently (and recently). I don’t have any screenshots to post since I am on my laptop but I will try to get some tonight.

only someone really stupid would let himself get hit by Maul. That skill can be easily dodged. it’s no biggie if it got nerfed. :P

Jocksy.3415:

Send bug reports when it happens – I’m still doing 1,5/2k maul with my hybrid build… don’t think they’d willingly nerf burst builds to lower damages than non-burst…

My “hybrid” used to do atleast 3.5k mauls. …usually more to lower armor glassies.
There isn’t any other class that’s ever gotten as many stealth nerfs as this one in Anet’s history so when someone suspects there’s more, there probably is

Valentin.2073:

only someone really stupid would let himself get hit by Maul. That skill can be easily dodged. it’s no biggie if it got nerfed. :P

You can set it up nicely with a spider immob or a well timed hilt bash. It’s not the easiest combo to pull off by any means, but it is satisfying.

Khalic.3561:

Valentin.2073:

only someone really stupid would let himself get hit by Maul. That skill can be easily dodged. it’s no biggie if it got nerfed. :P

You can set it up nicely with a spider immob or a well timed hilt bash. It’s not the easiest combo to pull off by any means, but it is satisfying.

OR you can use quickness from sigil/pet swap/timewarp/quickening zephyr

OR you can simply move in the direction the attacker dodges and attack that way. Thats how i do it…. gives me roughly 70% successrate

Aggrostemma.1703:

The 6335 is with traited Signet of the Beastmaster and using the Signet of the Hunt and the Wild… This gives a multiplier of 1,875 (1,5 and 1,25)

Are you sure those multiply? I was under the impression they (and pretty much all the “do x% more damage” modifers) added.

Prysin.8542:

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/135953/gw137.jpg

That picture is 3 weeks old… That is Durzlla, the guy who hosts the ranger podcast, so yeah, you can burst pretty hard with maul.

Madre de dios.

I tried doing super signet burst recently and my numbers weren’t very high either. Wondering if the signets no longer stack.

Prysin.8542:

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/135953/gw137.jpg

That picture is 3 weeks old… That is Durzlla, the guy who hosts the ranger podcast, so yeah, you can burst pretty hard with maul.

Lol that’s not me in the picture I think that’s Batasoi, but I achieved similar damage pretty recently.

ilr.9675:

Jocksy.3415:

Send bug reports when it happens – I’m still doing 1,5/2k maul with my hybrid build… don’t think they’d willingly nerf burst builds to lower damages than non-burst…

My “hybrid” used to do atleast 3.5k mauls. …usually more to lower armor glassies.
There isn’t any other class that’s ever gotten as many stealth nerfs as this one in Anet’s history so when someone suspects there’s more, there probably is

My hybrid is not a meta hybrid, have more alterations than power in it (that’s my lazy “tag it all” build, not op at all, but just there for fun) – the “still” (“I’m still doing”) meant for me “about the same damage it usually does when I’m on that build”, not as “it got somewhat down, but I have no problem with it”…

If your hybrid used to do x amount of damage and now is lower, report bug in-game… or screenshot and report in forum… Bug team is not coming on this forum… a message directly to them is going to be way more productive than nitpicking players who saw no difference lately…