Guild Wars 2

So Anet, you dont care about Rangers anymore. I’m not sure u even cared about them anyway. Want a solution ? Delete this class cus you are making it even worse and worse. Instead of buffing you are nerfing this class even further (evasion regeneration nerf). Cant compete in PvP, cant compete in PvE (not that its bad in PvE…but every other class do their jobs way better), have crappy utilities that are heavily trait dependant to be any usefull, crappy trait design….jesus, i can make extreme long list of the thing that doesnt work in ranger. But why bother, u dont care, noone cares, ppl are happy cus of the easy Ranger kills in WvW (and those…<censored word> even dare to whine about how fast Ranger can get up from downed in the water….). I dont know what to say…rly. I’ll just post other ppl opinions that reflect Ranger status in 100%

-“Haven’t touched the game in a month and I see nothing really has changed. The Ranger (my main from launch) still sucks kitten and the Warrior is still OP as f**k, while getting buffs instead of nerfs. This only confirms to me that someone high up at ANet has a raging kitten for Warriors, making them untouchable. There’s something seriously wrong with ANet’s logic when the Warrior outclasses the Ranger at RANGED combat, not to mention, everything else — except maybe aquatic combat.”

-“If you choose 1 route, you will most likely be unable to take anything else than survival utility. Example: playing 2 traps and 1 defensive signet (that would affect you) would require in total of 60 traits. Thus, you cannot go 1 signet and instead take survival utility or maybe ‘Protect Me’.”

-“If you do not commit 30 points for a utility, it just becomes bad. Trap, spirit or signets – just completely ineffective by themselves. Other classes mostly only make their utilities from good to better, whereas for ranger – bad to good.”

-“You don’t have enough armor and you don’t make enough power. The two never balance out. You have weak armor and poor power so you need to spam whatever attacks you’re using and keep your distance otherwise you just go down. In WvsW don’t even try to solo because you wont make it when a Thief catches you and just drains your life like it’s no big deal.”

-“…Bows provide nothing to a team, and rangers as a class don’t provide much to a team, which is why they aren’t wanted…”

-"Pets are as bad as people say.
Rangers are balanced with having pets in mind, therefore they are kitten. "

-"Delay on pet skill activation(F2) is not fun. Show me any other profession that has to put up with that nonsense. "

-"…role based…

dps… get well anything BUT a ranger… and a healy guardian…
heal… get a guardian…
condition damage… get a necro… mesmer… engineer…
tank… get serious!!! (yeah bunker build right? sigh)
burst… get thief… warrior…
ranged… get a warrior for longbow… and i wish i had the thieves shortbow…

weapon based…
sword… warrior and thieves do it better
dagger… what???
longbow… warrior does it better
shortbow… thief does it lot better
greatsword… warrior guardian and hell even mesmer do it better…
axes… umm warrior rules…
warhorn… chuckles
torch… well this one is actually good on rangers… so we may actually use it…"

-“Right now a Warrior can play a Ranger’s role and do it better which is a joke. Better melee, fair enough, he’s a warrior after all. Better ranged with a rifle and not to mention more tanky since he can wear heavy armor.”

-"I enjoy playing my ranger, but that class is the master of nothing, and so there is no situation where it would actually be an advantage to choose ranger over any of my other characters. "

I could post more and more….but it all comes down to one: Ranger is UP as hell. Which is funny cus in most of MMO’s Ranger is OP as hell. I still remember how Aion Rangers could easily pew-pew everything in range…well, same as Assassins…for me playing as Spiritmaster if Ranger came out of hide I was dead. If he came charging I could only survive by binding him before he will stunlock me to s**t and burst down to groud.

Ah, I mentioned Aion and Spiritmaster class so one more thing.
Spiritmaster summoned spirits > Ranger pets.
Even tho they were also kinda useless. But at least I could use my Earth spirit as 30k HP mobile shield that will suck all dmg done to me for 2 minutes duration….and I could fully heal it twice per battle. The look of 12 man twink zerg that couldnt take down one lone poor Spiritmaster…While in GW2 what can I do ? Look at my pet and his pathetic tries to do any harm to enemy ?

TL:DR version - Ranger sucked, sucks and will suck.

inb4 – l2p, ranger is OP, i suck, l2p, qq, play tetris, plz leave, lol u mad, use the only proper build, TL:DR, TL:DR the TL:DR version,…have i mentioned l2p ?

Few more words. I will not reroll. I invested too much time into my main. Soon I’ll probably will get my huntsman to 500 and craft ascended bow. I got entire world completed. Nearly 4k AP. I enjoy playing ranger in PvE where pets can acutally be usefull (no-stress soloing champs thanks to pet tanking). I’m tied to this character. But those are the facts that we all know. Ranger usefullness in group PvE is close to zero and class is the weakest one when it comes to PvP

I disagree. I’ve mained a necro for a while and listened to the same crap on there forums. I have no issues in pvx with him. I now have a ranger and enjoy this class even more. Once again have no issues in pvx. I have never once had anyone complain about me being a ranger in a dungeon run or my performance. Do I lose fights in wvw/PvP? Of course. I never had the mentality that I was going to win them all.

-“…Bows provide nothing to a team, and rangers as a class don’t provide much to a team, which is why they aren’t wanted…”

Longbow just need one thing. Just one thing to be tPvP viable.

That is to remove the self-root on Barrage. 2 second channeling skill is fine, but the self-root isn’t.

When that happens, Barrage will be more versatile than before. Instead of just using it to create a slow barrier and to place it on a cluster of players. You can now use it while fleeing AND chasing. See a dying player trying to run away? Place barrage on a escape route and then dps the player down. Enemy players too stronk? Run away as you put barrage to cover your escape route.

It’s not the profession, it’s you. Me and many people have a blast with the Ranger. Is it perfect? hell no, thankfully no! That’s why even after a year of playing, ideas keep boucing in my head, i keep trying new stuff, trying to master some other stuff but in the end it’s just a blast.

I just don’t know the gain in posting something like that, then again don’t know what i get from responding to such a clearly toxic whinney post.

Still if it brings you any peace or calming all that frustration, answear is ranger is not for you, i’m sure there’s plenty to be achieved with your beloved warrior and/thief?

Come to think of it… you’re probably trolling, but considering the effort of spending all characters in the post window, thought i’d drop a line.

Want the truth? You can’t handle the truth! Clearly you can’t…

If they would atleast fix the rangers bugs/bad designed mechanics (like our pets…) I would be as happy as a lemming on acid.

As a main ranger, i agree with the Op.

Seriously, show me where the Op is lying?

Show me where the nerfs he mentioned aren’t true?

Show me which class that dies first and the quickest in wvw?

I am ashame to say this, my guilds and other guilds target rangers first, well because they are too easy to kill.

What’s so new?

Arena.net nerfed our pets, spirits, and weapons, what more nerfs do you want to see and believe , concerning their real agenda?

How many more surveys should players post, agreeing with everything the Op stated?

Is 83% not enough?

How man more factual evidence and proof do you want from Arena.net where they are using Warriors to find more reasons to punish our class more?

And what i find so sad about this; they are doing everything within their power to make our class more vulnerable to the other classes.

Did you know in the upcoming Dec 10; our regeneration skills/ traits and our spirits, will be severely nerfed, in the name of satisfying other classes to greatly overpower us?

So to end it all, i encourage Arena.net to once and for all; free our battered “pets” and our abusive rangers,

It’s about time they live up to their name and Live.

Why should Anet read your post: Your just complaining your not suggesting a fix. You have a wall of text that if they were to read your post would just be taking away what little time they have to read helpful and constructive post.

You have a right to complain all you want. When you complain to much and don’t bring anything to the table people learn to just skip over your post.

I disagree with the op. We all know ranger have some issue but it not as kittenome people say it is. The ranger is the second most popular class. Those of you who cant melee and can’t use your pet properly just make it harder on yourselves.

I wish there was a GW2 Olympics classess would compete in varior catagories. I think rangers would have a higher metal count than any other class. But that’s just me.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Why should Anet read your post: Your just complaining your not suggesting a fix. You have a wall of text that if they were to read your post would just be taking away what little time they have to read helpful and constructive post.

You have a right to complain all you want. When you complain to much and don’t bring anything to the table people learn to just skip over your post.

I disagree with the op. We all know ranger have some issue but it not as kittenome people say it is. The ranger is the second most popular class. Those of you who cant melee and can’t use your pet properly just make it harder on yourselves.

I wish there was a GW2 Olympics classess would compete in varior catagories. I think rangers would have a higher metal count than any other class. But that’s just me.

You seem New to the Ranger class; " your not suggesting a fix"

Since day 1, All suggestion of fixes and Improvements for the Ranger class; have been DELETED and INFRACTED

Do you understand?

(the reason why ranger is “the 2nd most popular class in the game” ? Simple; they are the best class at farming")

By the way; Warriors are the 1st best class at farming and everything than us because, well, they are better ranger than us.

In other word, our range weapons and range mechanics, are a joke and an insult to theirs.

Oh yea, on top of that; they have pets (elite) which is totally a humiliation and insultive design to the ranger class.

(this is the only mmo where you will find a “warrior profession” having pets; and can do everything a ranger profession does… seriously!!, wouldn’t that make warriors OP? Not In Guild Wars 2… what a joke!!)

Hope that clarifies.

(I encourage you to look at this; from another ‘old timer’ truth bearer ranger)

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Ranger-video-truth/first#post3212231

Ariete – heh, as I said – inb4 “l2p”

No its not me. It would be me if I would look up on various Ranger threads and see that ppl dont have any problems. But its not like that. Its not me – its the profession.

I know the truth and yes, I cant handle it. I cant handle that Ranger is constantly nerfed or more like is already nerfed to zero while other classes are totally playable.

And keep in mind I’m not talking about all this easy-mode PvE. I extremly enjoy this class in PvE. Stubbie said he never ecountered the party to complain about he being a ranger. Its not like that. Most of the ppl are running random parties for dungs. This is not a holy trinity so u can go even 5x ele’s into a dung. And its ok. But when it comes to parties that actually want to have specialized pt for speedrun or something, they’ll never get a Ranger cus this class is totally useless on organized group PvE.

My whole post and ppl opinions I’ve posted are about Ranger in WvW and thus in PvP. While playing in zerg is not a big deal cus everybody pops out AoE and counts their lootbags, when it comes to smaller PvP or 1vs1 Ranger is the worst class ever.

If we’ll take equally skilled players and give Ranger to one of em and any other class to second, the second will beat the Ranger easily. Warriors, Guardians, Thieves, Elementalists and Mesmers eat Rangers for breakfast. The only “fair” fights I’ve ecountered were versus Necros and Engineers, tho I found the first one being slighty above second.

I don’t know how someone could even think about me trolling. Did you actually read the Ranger forums ? Everyday we can see ppl complaining. Stalin once said “The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic”. I’ll use the similar scheme “The complaining of one man is a proof of his lack of skill, the complaining of thousands is a proof that something is really wrong”

I haven’t been playing GW1 but my friend did. For years. Except that he says that GW2 is incredibly weak comparing to first one, he also says that GW1 Ranger was actually a Ranger, not some training dummy for other classes.

Lower output damage because of having pets, pets are totally useless in PvP if we talk about dealing dmg, most weapons skills are incredibly weak, bows are weak, if bows are weak for a RANGER than we have nothing left because melee ranger is weaker than any other melee class. As one of the ppl opinions I’ve wrote above states: LB Warrior > LB Ranger, same for SB thief. Although I dont like Thief SB…

I really thought that I will be fine and I will take all those cons and play. But after I saw that now they take off our 50% evasion regeneration by half, I just broke down. That was the last thing that allowed me to live for little longer. Srlsy, as someone said, Anet said that evasion regeneration at Ranger is OP. OP for the class that is supposed to have a lot of evasive moves.

Pets should be thrown off for overall damage buff for ranger. Or there should be a mechanic that would increase the damage when the pet is turned off(and thus a mechanic that wont turn on the pet whenever we receive dmg). Active effects of signets should apply to ranger by default without having to pop 30pts trait. Shouts should be completely reworked or removed. Having ability to ground-target Traps should be merged into 15pts minor. Bows should be reworked because they are extremly weak for a ranged class, especially longbow. Opening Strike should be reworked because it need whole 25 pts to be usefull, otherwise its just pointless to have it. There are more and more suggestions how to improve this class and improve its playability in WvW/PvP. Tons of them are on this forum. But Anet doesnt care. They totally dont know what to do with this class. If they would read those topics and actually think about all those suggestions, Rangers could see a bright better future. But as for now probably all Ranger players lost their faith about seeing any positive changes….cus the only positive thing I saw about upcoming patch is that unbounding spirits will be moved into lower traits

That’s all I have to say. And by the way – sorry for all typos and grammar mistakes, English is not my main language

EDIT: Serraphin Storm – by topic title I just wanted to show that they don’t read the ranger forums, they dont hear the community voice. If my post would be about suggestions, nothing would have changed. There are tons of such posts and I dont see Anet doing anything about satisfying community need for this class. And tell me what do you mean by “cant use your pet properly ?” Excuse me but I don’t have any influence on my pet battle mechanic, its not my fault that they cant deal any damage in PvP while we desperatly need that dmg. The only usefull pets are supports, but not even all of em. Eg. I like Wolf and its fear. I also was thinking about using Sylvan Hound but then I found that its heal is too weak.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Why should Anet read your post: Your just complaining your not suggesting a fix. You have a wall of text that if they were to read your post would just be taking away what little time they have to read helpful and constructive post.

You have a right to complain all you want. When you complain to much and don’t bring anything to the table people learn to just skip over your post.

I disagree with the op. We all know ranger have some issue but it not as kittenome people say it is. The ranger is the second most popular class. Those of you who cant melee and can’t use your pet properly just make it harder on yourselves.

I wish there was a GW2 Olympics classess would compete in varior catagories. I think rangers would have a higher metal count than any other class. But that’s just me.

Just because something is popular doesn’t make it good unless you think McD’s burgers are the best in the world.

Also, that player data was never given a context and was likely tabulated since launch which includes the Dark Times when roving herds of automated Rangers roamed the countryside in plain sight.

I think a lot of people in the forum should follow the much-given advice of: reroll Warrior. That way the Ranger class will have less noobs giving a poor representation of the class.

L2P.

Ranger is useless in pve : yes ; WvW : yes ; in PVP : most of the build but for now ranger spirit is used in every top team of this game so…. in pvp the spirit build is usefull (and will be nerfed the 10th december)

Ok, then we’re playing different games, other than that i don’t know what else to say.

I won’t argue that that’s not what you perceive the profession to be. I’m sure you believe it with all of your conviction. Although like dozens of other threads like this in which i have given my happy two cents about it, i truly feel very much in love with most aspects of my ranger gameplay.

Dungeon running? Dude no adept of min/maxing can trully be efficient without Frost Spirit and Spotter. Why don’t you look at that? Something unique only the profession you relentelessly thow in the gutter can bring.

About PVP? Oh please, i’ll use a quote out of context to answear you: “I would look up on various Ranger threads and see that ppl dont have any problems.” I know it’s not polite to quote mine, but i just couldn’t pass on the oportunity. Although at least one single thing we can agree: Thieves are a pain. Although i’m sure some other rangers out there would read this and go: “nah man, i mop the floor with thieves”. Because unlike you, i’ll be the first to admit that there’s much for me to learn.

Not a math guy but i’ve seen ppl doing the math and stating that the nerf to the vigor trait represents about 3 sec longer between total number of evades… All that grief for.. 3seconds? But i’ll make you even more mad, that trait is not too much of a corner stone for me, i’ll grab if there’s other stuff i need in the Wilderness Survival trait line, so there you go: a detail.

Pets? Oh man… They were the reason i picked ranger to start (with a little help of having played ranger in GW). I love hybrids and jack-of-all-trades characters, pets are amazing, although making them work took some effort and headbanging… for the first couple of months…

I love the decision making, i love to look at my trait lines and see that i can’t catch’em all, i really need to make cuts and give up or take key traits to make my builds worthwhile and the constant “what if i took the other one” feeling is adictive and is what keeps me going.

There’s a sentence from some dude i can’t name that states: “The secret of being happy is not having everything that you want”. Somehow you take this core human “hunger” and turn it into misery and grief.

To end this whole mess of a meaningless thread:
Thank you Anet for all to work and effort you put in this game. Thank you for re-igniting my MMORPG spark into a whole new level. Thank you for the countless hours you’ve given me even though my wife hates your guts for giving me this reason to strap myself into a chair almost daily.
Enough with the Scarlet business, work in-game systems to break the zerg meta and give us more than control points in SPVP so i can file my divorce

Cheers have fun with whatever class you pick.

Just a few questions:

Do you know all of the classes fairly well?

Do you keep track of your and your targets active buffs during the fight?

Do you constantly move around, swapping pets and using their special as much as you can?

Do you spam your cool downs or wait for more advantageous moments to use certain skills?

Do you know exactly what your major and minor traits do?

Is your gear synergistic with your build?

I’m not trying to degrade your frustrations but I am one of those people that get perplexed when I hear people struggling so much with Ranger.

I don’t understand the point of this thread. Op wants ranger to be deleted but won’t reroll? What? I assume it is just a rant thread, in which case you are right, they won’t read it.

Indoles.1467:

I don’t understand the point of this thread. Op wants ranger to be deleted but won’t reroll? What? I assume it is just a rant thread, in which case you are right, they won’t read it.

If OP was to proposed to reroll, would that make any difference?

-just asking-

While it’s true that outside 1vs1 and small fights/tPvP rangers don’t offer much. And that in dungeons you need a decent party to perform well, I don’t think rangers are a complete useless class.

That said, I pretty much quit playing mine for roaming. When you solo roam and all you see are blackwater mesmers, hambows, perplexity engies/thieves and groups of all those together, and you realize you have to work 10x harder to win a fight it comes to a point when you say F*** IT.

Burnfall.9573:

Indoles.1467:

I don’t understand the point of this thread. Op wants ranger to be deleted but won’t reroll? What? I assume it is just a rant thread, in which case you are right, they won’t read it.

If OP was to proposed to reroll, would that make any difference?

-just asking-

I interpret this as: If OP proposed to reroll, would that make any difference (in terms of devs reading this)?
No, still a rant. If the thread offered some kind of constructive criticism I’m sure they would read it (they read much more than most people think), but I’m doubtful that they will respond. They rarely respond on any profession subforum.

Indoles.1467:

Burnfall.9573:

Indoles.1467:

I don’t understand the point of this thread. Op wants ranger to be deleted but won’t reroll? What? I assume it is just a rant thread, in which case you are right, they won’t read it.

If OP was to proposed to reroll, would that make any difference?

-just asking-

I interpret this as: If OP proposed to reroll, would that make any difference (in terms of devs reading this)?
No, still a rant. If the thread offered some kind of constructive criticism I’m sure they would read it (they read much more than most people think), but I’m doubtful that they will respond. They rarely respond on any profession subforum.

PLUS, would he/she himself respond to this kind of post if he/she was in their place? I know I would rightfully ignore it as an angry, anti-developer rant, and would feel no guilt in sidestepping it.

This is what most people don’t realize when they post angrily for them to be heard, as if this was team sports where you cry and rant hard when your team is losing-angry, unconstructive tirades WILL be infracted and deleted because they serve no purpose offering nothing. No amount of “suggestions” will be paid any heed if communicated in the above manner, and when someone states: “they never listen to my concerns!”, it is really obvious why if the comments are similar to these.

BTW, the most efficient dungeon speedrunning, which I care nothing about myself, is actually achieved with a Ranger. Being rejected by a few ignorant players doesn’t mean that Rangers are “broken” or “suck”, and you should play whatever the heck you want in any case, uncaring of what the masses-or indeed a few people-say.

(My apologies for any stray “kittens”; my post is actually rather clean, but I am sure it will be censored anyway.)

Bastionhawk – no, I don’t know Ranger class at all, I just randomly click 1-5 and randomly spend trait points….

Other classes get all attention from Anet. They are actually doing something with them. But not with Ranger. All they are doing is making this class even more and more messy. As wiki states, they didnt even knew what to do with this class when they were still making the game:

“At one point in development, according to The Making of Guild Wars 2 book, the ranger profession of the original Guild Wars was split into many different professions, notably the warden and the marksman. Eventually, with only marksman remaining, who only possessed only the aspect of ranged weaponry, was combined with already scrapped elements of warden and beastmaster, and renamed the result as ranger for the sake of the original series. "

Devs dont respond to any threads because they either dont care or they dont want to admit that they screwed up with this class.

It’s been a long time and nothing changed, we are still inferior to all other classes.

We have tons of good threads about how to fix Ranger. If at least 50% of those proposed changes would be implemented into game, Ranger could be turned into a class that is not inferior to the others.

Recently we’ve been told that pet mechanic probably wont be changed because their AI is same as wild creatures AI. Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Then kitten make pets AI different.

Simple things as allowing pet to attack while moving and removing this kittened F2 delay would make pets usefull in PvP for dealing damage. But since its not like that we suffer lets say 30% of damage output because of this stupid AI.

Ranger weapons are weak. Totally. We have two bows and as a ranged class none of them is better than any other ranged weapon for other classes.

Based on my thoughts and other nice threads about fixes.

-If pets cannot be reworked then allow Rangers to completly stow them for a 30% damage buff

-Rework Opening Strike. Minor 25 pts should be merged into minor 5 pts. Opening Strike gives you 100% chance to crit and applies vulerability for 5 sec. Move Remorseless major into 25 pts minor.

-Signet of Beastmaster 30 pts major should be removed and signets should apply to Ranger by default. If not, then it should be switched to 15 pts minor of Marksmanship and Alpha Training should be thrown into Beastmastery

-Trapper’s Defense 10 pts major is pretty much useless

-30 pts into Skirmishing is IMO bit too high for Trap Potency

Ranger traits are too heavily based on pets. I mean its ok for Beastmastery, maybe also for Nature Magic. But we have way too many good traits in first three trait lines that apply only to pet but not to Ranger

-Malicious Training 10 pts major doesnt fit into Marksmanship. It should be moved into Beastmastery or changed into new trait.

-Same for Carnivorous Appetite 20 pts major. It should be removed or should apply small healing to Ranger itself

-Same for Expertise Training 10 pts major

-Agility Training 10 pts major should increase the speed of both pet and Ranger by 10-15%

-Honed Axes 20 pts major should apply to both axe and sword

-Circle of Life 10 pts major – weak.

-Spirits Unbound will be moved into lower traits so its ok

-Nature Voice 30 pts major should also apply small buff to Ranger

-Compassion should be moved into Nature Magic but on the other hand Concentration doesnt fit into Beastmastery

-Rapid fire on LB shoud be totally reworked. As for now its the “burst” skill but due to its long channeling its totally unreliable. It can be easily interrupted or evaded. Either channeling time should be reduced or skill should be changed to smth like firing three arrows at selected target with dmg 3x 1500-2000 with a mechanic that would treat each arrow as independent attack and thus each arrow could deal critical damage while the attack itself would also apply same vulnerability

-Barrage works pretty much only on noobs that are staying in one place. IMO runeblade proposed good solution that will somehow allow to use this skill in more situatuions – Barrage shouldnt root Ranger in place

-Hunter’s Shot. If they added stealth to this skill and so made it the only stealth-apply weapon skill this one should at least apply 5 sec of stealth. Just a thought.

-Concussion Shot. I totally dont know why they designed this skill to apply stun only from side or behind. And its only 1 sec…Daze should be removed and it should always apply Stun even if attacking from front

-Poison Volley is bad. It requires the Ranger to be very close to the target to be effective.

-GS Slash and Slice should deal more dmg

-Swoop should apply evade

-Hilt bash – same as Concussion Shot. What am I, some kind of Thief that this and SB skill require me to be behind target ?

-Splitblade – same as Poison Volley

-Axe overall damage should be boosted

-Crippling Talon – I totally don’t know whats going on with this skill. It looks like it doesnt have 100% hit chance. Sometimes it will hit, sometimes it will not.

Ah well….I wonder if Devs will ever state that they are improving this class. As one guy in some topic said (cant find it now so I cant qoute it directly but it was smth like this) “What do you expect from players who plays Ranger from launch while its been year and the issues of this class are still present and when devs clearly state that this class is not even considered into improvement”

Peace, I’m off. Gotta do some WvW and check the Planetside 2 optimization improvement.

Kafar.5813:

We have tons of good threads about how to fix Ranger. If at least 50% of those proposed changes would be implemented into game, Ranger could be turned into a class that is not inferior to the others.

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Everything you have said I think we all agree with. They must take this into account before the entire Ranger playerbase quits. It’s only a matter of time before our patience runs out. No, I will not reroll to something more boring just to keep buying gems. I’ll go play another game in that case, which was NOT my plan.

Though I’d like to add that losing pet’s damage makes me lose about 50% of my total damage output (I use synergies with RaO and Sic ‘Em and Zephyr that make my pet a million times more important than it should be) however, for those fights where both pets insta-die even when I waste my heal for them and not for me ~ I’ll take the 30%.

I’m also 100% sure that the Ranger is unique from any other profession even if we never had pets in the first place. We are the fearless fighter who braves the wilderness and leaps into battle while only slightly armored… We are the cunning and the brave… Our fighting is like a dance of evading death and striking our enemy down like a predator or a hunter, killing only when needed. We are efficient and precise in our combat ability. We are able to chase enemies down with our bow and then turn on them in melee combat. Survival of the fittest.

In Loving Memory, Guild Wars; Ranger

-enjoy it, while it last-

I love my ranger…it is frustrating being the target of first choice in WvW…other roamers see a ranger and immediately think “easy kill” I was targeted three times last night wile running to my team in WvW…it was almost hilarious to see a thief get excited to see an easy ranger kill.

Heck, even in group battle thieves will target rangers (think about it, our primary role in a group battle to to stay on the outer edges of the group and cull the enemy guardians and warriors)…so being outside the middle of the group makes us vulnerable for those pesky stealth killers.

We (ranger class) have no effective counter to stealth. (period)

Yeah I agree whole heartedly kitten guy. Ranger is by far the worst in this game and I mean it. Every time I run into another ranger they have the same complaints. This is a Pve class not a PVP class at all. A thief is a rangers worst nightmare them and mesmers because stealth and multiply make your pet useless! That little update where a thief can’t stealth is when executing whatever that skill is called is garbage and hardly worth it. The thing about ranger is that things that YOU NEED! are scattered throughout a traits list that makes it impossible to skill your class correctly. You have to dump points in one specific area just to get one skill that YOU NEED while wasting points in spots you don’t need just to get it.

All rangers need Toughness points because they barely have any armor. They have weak defense and weak offense and I don’t remember this class being that bad at launch but it is seemingly worse now (actually I complained about the armor issue at launch). When you want to make your already useless bow or pet more effective you have to sacrifice your points just to skill up to make yourself less vulnerable first. The traits they also have for ranger are pppppppointless. Most of these traits should be standard to the class. It’s almost like using points to patch fix issues with the ranger and that’s how it feels. The entire trait list should be burned. The only helpful skills on there are Recharge f2 faster,longer bow range,faster recharge skills on bows, larger traps and move traps (why is this not standard?), The few skills that actually make your pet useful, and that’s about it. Regenerations, Vigor, and all the other garbage don’t help when your getting steamrolled. The prolong your life by maybe 2seconds before you get massacred.

At this point I’ve tried most builds including the spirit build everyone brags about and while its interesting I feel like it takes up too many skills to use. It could just as easily be one skill to execute all 3 spirits instead of one for each (making the ranger even more defenseless). I could honestly go on all day about the problems with this class as many of us that play it can. Ranger is also my main and I don’t have time to make another class just to get around the problems the developers won’t fix. I would honestly like to see a developer play this class competitively and successfully in PVP and show all of us here that the class is perfect and equally as powerful as the rest. I would like to see Anet show us how this class should be played and how they intended it to be used because I am curious. This class is entirely too weak to be useful in any combat setting. Pve it’s fine because it’s terrible AI against your terrible class so it evens out. Except for certain dungeons where your weak armor will get you downed fast.

I do see more people abandoning Ranger than relishing it and they are rare to find in WvsW or even the Myst now. They’re there but when I do speak to one they just complain about the problems with playing a ranger. This class has no sweet spot it’s just all around bad and the more complaints I see from others in my guild and around the game really are hard to miss. I seriously don’t see how Anet can not grasps the idea that this class is broken and should have been fixed long before this game launched.

They should have set the traits up to specialize your traits in specific areas. Bows,Traps, Melee, or Pets and for once have the traits actually compliment those skill sets. Have traits that increase bow,melee,trap or pet power exclusively and not force you to waste points. Why do we even have a trait to improve “toughness” or “vitality”??? can someone explain that to me? Is this not something they couldn’t’ figure out how to apply to armor sets or runes? Must we waste points to get what we should all have stock? Even when maxed out the ranger is still below average.

TLDR this class sucks and OP is right.

lol and wait to see december 10, they will nerf spirits and you will dodge way less, but hey they give us lb dmf buff and swtiched 2 trait places! rejoice.

Not saying ranger is best class, but rangers generally have it pretty good. It’s just it is THE PET CLASS. If you can’t stand it you probably want thief. Ranger can, however, just perfectly annihilate any thief unless they’re, like, really good. Most funny thing is that you only need to spam aa or #2 with lb. Maybe it’s too difficult to press 2 buttons though.