Guild Wars 2

“Jonathan Sharp had something interesting to say in the warrior forums….

Thanks guys!
We’re being very mindful about the way the Sigil of Para fix will hit Warriors. We’ve already got another balance patch brewing, and we’re being very careful to watch all the classes and see how they feel after we shave down the condition spam classes slightly.
As others have said, once we bring down the conditions that “hold down” some of the physical based classes, they will feel stronger. We’re aware of that!
Thanks again for the feedback!" — Engineer Forum

Whoopie!! Glad I’m rolling condition build.

Perosnally, I never had any issue with con warriors, their Perna-stun was always .
the issue.

Condirion Ranger is quite strong, so if they nerf us, will hit us hard as well, mind you Necro class will be deeply affected the most.

Since mentioning spamming, he should ‘shave down’ thief class #2 backstabs + heart….

Here’s what I think. Condition scaling may remain untouched, but duration on many skills will be reduced as well as the multitude of condition applications per skill. Why? This solves 2 problems with 1 stone. How? First, if conditions don’t last as long and aren’t as plentiful per skill, you don’t need as much cleansing. This saves Anet time and resources on creating new or revamped skills that influence gameplay and balance. Second, we know this game has ridiculous damage output and if they were to need condition scaling alone, condition builds would be rendered moot, and many people would become upset (think about the people who spent months acquiring a full set of ascended trinkets and weapons). So, they will play it off as, “It is now more about timing your conditions rather than spamming them.”

Why not? They nerf things that don’t be nerfed every other day and ignore issues that should’ve been fixed pre-launch constantly. Don’t try to flatter Anet with rhyme or reason, for time has proven that they have none.

They have mentioned they want to shave conditions. I hope they focus any changes on burn in general before trying to focus on classes. The Ranger class in particular is probably the weakest of the big 3 condition classes since they’re mostly all single target.

I wouldn’t read this as a direct nerf to rangers at all. Particularly, the wording of “condition spam” seems to immediately single out necromancers and their ability to absolutely dominate team fights with AoE conditions pouring out of them.

It’s actually an overall good direction to take the game in. Since the “condi meta” hit full force and has remained in effect, condi classes have had the ability to burst conditions onto targets that just couldn’t cleanse them fast enough, or often enough. So, it looks like instead of bringing up the power of condi cleansing to keep up with the condi output, they are trying to make skillfully using cleanses more balanced at countering conditions.

Rangers, however, aren’t particularly good at spamming conditions. The conditions we can apply either have a positional requirement (like shortbow) or they are on a long enough cooldown where if a person cleanses them, it really gives them room to breathe and react accordingly. If anything gets changed at all for rangers, it would probably be how often Axe 2 can be used, or how long the bleeds last, and how long the burn on torch 4 lasts, but besides that, the ranger skillsets are probably where other classes condition builds are going to get balanced towards.

Then again, I’m not in the devs heads, I could be somehow underestimating how effective we are at applying conditions, though I’d like to think that the main problem people have with ranger in PvP isn’t the damage output, but the ability to evade tank while doing a nice, constant stream of damage to any class that can’t lock us down.

I really hope this just effects sPvP. If it spills into PvE, there’ll be hell to pay, as it would make all condition users completely worthless in that field.

I think they were talking mostly about condition durations on skills; if it hits rangers… well… yea.

Again, it better just be sPvP. If not…well, I hope Jon is ready to receive a LOT of hate from the Ranger forum.

RyuDragnier.9476:

I really hope this just effects sPvP. If it spills into PvE, there’ll be hell to pay, as it would make all condition users completely worthless in that field.

Jon was very clear to mention this will only affect pvp. He also specifically mentioned that it was AoE conditions they wanted to bring down, citing the recent change to necro’s scepter 2 as an example of what to expect more of, and stating that they no intention of lowering the power of these classes in other modes (wvw and pve) where aoe condition specs aren’t problematic.

Does anyone think there is a possibility to put in class specific coefficients for condition damage? Also, the splitting of PvP and PvE has been in the game since last year and yet they’ve rarely taken advantage of that. Why would they start now?