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Posted by: Zenos Osgorma.2936

Zenos Osgorma.2936

its not about the numbers its how you use it, i bet you don’t open with a unload that would be silly but i bet you use it on the second round of stealth after you soften them up and make sure there cooldowns are on.
the longbow auto shouldnt’t be used for damage just a gap fill for 3 and 5 or 4 then weapon swap.

this aa damage is only related to melee classes where the main bulk of damage comes from the autos, and spikes from ether class machanics or aka unload after leaving stealth i see p/p+ P/D unload is that much because you’ve only got limited access to stealth without using cloak and dagger (because thats perfect for unload to get you into a good position before unloading.)

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Posted by: Littlefeather.8623

Littlefeather.8623

In PvP, we do quite well but PvP tends to respect more of the evade and melee style over range so it takes a bit of a different spec than most play.

I use Longbow and get 13k Crits with Rapid Fire…

And that’s really, really low relative to other classes.
Hell, even my P/P thief does 11k unloads which can be chained together.

You’d also just deal more damage autoattacking. RF only proves to be useful for DPS when your target is attempting to enter stealth as it’s stealth-tracking. Otherwise, it deals strictly less damage than AA’ing.

Everything else was on CD, and yes it’s not an exaggerated amount but it’s not bad either. You can do 11k at 900 range while I do 13k at 1200, I’lll be happy with that. Keeping in mind that was crit though not consistent damage at all. My point is I don’t see why rangers even say LB is kitten but it’s not really the case at least the way I play and from my experiences with it, I guess I can express that easily since ranger was not my original main.

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Posted by: FrouFrou.4958

FrouFrou.4958

Not bad at all. Even at its worst I quite enjoy my ranger.

Froudactyl // Herp Derp Druid // Judge Legends [JDGE] // Seafarer’s Rest

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Posted by: DeceiverX.8361

DeceiverX.8361

its not about the numbers its how you use it, i bet you don’t open with a unload that would be silly but i bet you use it on the second round of stealth after you soften them up and make sure there cooldowns are on.
the longbow auto shouldnt’t be used for damage just a gap fill for 3 and 5 or 4 then weapon swap.

this aa damage is only related to melee classes where the main bulk of damage comes from the autos, and spikes from ether class machanics or aka unload after leaving stealth i see p/p+ P/D unload is that much because you’ve only got limited access to stealth without using cloak and dagger (because thats perfect for unload to get you into a good position before unloading.)

And that’s really, really low relative to other classes.
Hell, even my P/P thief does 11k unloads which can be chained together.

Longbow shouldn’t be used as a main weapon? This is a design flaw. There’s no valid archer in the game, and ANet has explicitly marketed the ranger, even in its class description, as “Unparalleled Archers.”

You’d also just deal more damage autoattacking. RF only proves to be useful for DPS when your target is attempting to enter stealth as it’s stealth-tracking. Otherwise, it deals strictly less damage than AA’ing. Unlike what you just said about AA only applying to melee, the longbow AA does the highest DPS outside of Barrage to a target, and in most cases, it does more, since nothing gets hit by a full barrage.

Everything else was on CD, and yes it’s not an exaggerated amount but it’s not bad either. You can do 11k at 900 range while I do 13k at 1200, I’lll be happy with that. Keeping in mind that was crit though not consistent damage at all. My point is I don’t see why rangers even say LB is kitten but it’s not really the case at least the way I play and from my experiences with it, I guess I can express that easily since ranger was not my original main.

As I’ve also iterated, rangers aren’t inherently bad, but they can simply be out-performed. A rifle warrior can get off almost the same damage with volley, and obviously can be extremely useful in other ways in almost every circumstance.

So what most complaints about consist of issues with the pets causing overall too much of a damage cut. When you engaged with RF, what was your pet doing to augment this damage? Likely either getting ready to engage, or still in it idle animation depending on the pet you used. And damage-wise, if you were to say, get rid of the pet, and allow for a 30% damage modifier or something, putting your numbers up to around 14k, would that make the class overpowered or too strong? A lot of people (including myself) say no, especially since such numbers can be achieved by other classes.

Longbow is restricted highly due to its inherent problems with interacting with the ranger class, and overall its boring play despite stylistically being a demanded one. The autoattack is weak relative to a lot of other ones (mesmer GS is better with lower range penalties and has piercing built-in), yet it’s the best form of DPS for the longbow (it out-DPS’s every other skill except a full barrage, which never happens, and in WvW often kills the ranger via retal or causes a whole zerg to proc Runes of Strength). It’s got awkward/poor synergy with its own traits (need to run 30 marksman and forgo a real GM trait for just letting your arrows hit their targets properly), and by the looks of it, you’re skipping out on some important ones, seeing as you’re at 1200 range, which can easily be closed by most classes in a very short period of time.

The weaponset is riddled with synergy issues with ultimately lead it to be fairly sub-par. Not bad to an unplayable extent, but simply, the ranger, in any build, can be out-performed by another class to fill the same role.

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Posted by: Swimsasa Stoon.8936

Swimsasa Stoon.8936

After maxing a mesmer, warrior and necro I kinda wanted to make a ranger next since I have the black widow pet and never got to use it. Similar to WoW with Hunters, I’ve always kind of heard Rangers are the bottom of the barrel, but recently I’ve seen a few in PVP that actually did very well.

What do you think of a trapper ranger or the class in general?

I too am profession hopping in pvp. My experience so far:
Elementalist, every weapon combo every stat combo, tried everything.
Engineer, tanky, dps, decap, condi etc.
Necromancer, condi, power.
Thief, condi, power, tanky.
Warrior, condi, power, tanky, support-condi.
Guardian, meditation zerker, condi-debuff, bunker.
Now I’m playing around with Ranger.

Condis are decent but feels sub-par to several other professions.
DPS-ranger has amazing burst but low sustained dmg.
Bunker ranger – what I’m currently running has perma prot, perma regen, perma poison up-time and pet still hits like a beast. Plus you have multiple evades, faster endurance regen, protection procing off of dodges. Most fun I’ve had with ranger in a long while.
In the 7 matches I’ve played as a bunker ranger I’ve lost 2 duels and quite a few 1vX fights.

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Posted by: Naevius.3185

Naevius.3185

There’s no valid archer in the game, and ANet has explicitly marketed the ranger, even in its class description, as “Unparalleled Archers.”

You can be an ‘unparalleled archer’ and still suck compared to a swordsman.

People who want a ranger+bow to match a ranger+melee will always be disappointed.

But the main issue with ranger is that the class mechanic is pets, and pets have problems.

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Posted by: Zavve.8205

Zavve.8205

I love rangers. I am the ranged ranger that everyone hates though but hey, that is what I enjoy and that is how a ranger is described in this game :P

Anyways, I know of some really great rangers who I often see in wvw. They are very talented and are a force to be feared by any class. In pve, you are a god, at least in my experience.

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Posted by: Nike.2631

Nike.2631

Just play it.

The problems will speak for themselves.

“You keep saying ‘its unfair.’
I wonder what your basis for comparison is…”
- Jareth, King of Goblins.

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Posted by: DrDivine.5378

DrDivine.5378

Just play it.

The problems will speak for themselves.

So I’ve been trying a ranger in pvp these past couples of days and a lot of the problems really hit me in the face. I had such a hard time dealing with most classes, though did well against thieves for some reason.

Strangely enough, it wasn’t until I went to an all out melee ranger with greatsword and sword/warhorn that I was actually able to perform very well. It could just be my taste in playstyle, but the sword added a new dynamic as it basically gives you extra dodgerolls in addition to cripples and poisons and made me a much harder target to keep track of. Ranger does require a lot of multitasking as you have to keep an eye on things like setting traps, switching pets at the right time, etc. but overall once I tried this build it was so much fun.

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Posted by: DeceiverX.8361

DeceiverX.8361

S/GS are already considered pretty solid weapon loadouts for the ranger. Most of the complaints revolve around the fact that the class description is a blatant lie and that the theme of the archer “ranger” doesn’t really exist anywhere in the game. The closest thing really to it in terms of playstyle is P/P thief imho.

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Posted by: DrDivine.5378

DrDivine.5378

S/GS are already considered pretty solid weapon loadouts for the ranger. Most of the complaints revolve around the fact that the class description is a blatant lie and that the theme of the archer “ranger” doesn’t really exist anywhere in the game. The closest thing really to it in terms of playstyle is P/P thief imho.

To be honest, I’m kinda glad it’s a lie. I found the bow playstyle pretty boring compared to thr sword/GS set. There’s a lot more moving around and I think it kinda makes them forget about your pet at times

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Posted by: Zendeth.6472

Zendeth.6472

I play mostly with the long bow and love it. Which is strange because I prefer melee combat lol. I’m low level though, 15, so things probably differ later I’m guessing. My friend who’s played a lot longer than me said that Ranged rangers are considered useless in raids. I haven’t raided in any dungeons yet. I’m guessing that’s what he’s referring too. I have done some open world raid events. Who knows, maybe I’ll end up hating the class, but so far it’s the funniest class I’ve played in GW.

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Posted by: DeceiverX.8361

DeceiverX.8361

S/GS are already considered pretty solid weapon loadouts for the ranger. Most of the complaints revolve around the fact that the class description is a blatant lie and that the theme of the archer “ranger” doesn’t really exist anywhere in the game. The closest thing really to it in terms of playstyle is P/P thief imho.

To be honest, I’m kinda glad it’s a lie. I found the bow playstyle pretty boring compared to thr sword/GS set. There’s a lot more moving around and I think it kinda makes them forget about your pet at times

Which is a shame, despite the fact I agree with you in that ranged options are rather dull. The style of play is one with a big audience, but the skills themselves are bland and unexciting.

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Posted by: OrianZeta.1537

OrianZeta.1537

It’s been my main going back to GW1. The issues are different this time but are present and unique nonetheless. While every profession can stake a claim for a tune-up, rangers are just one of those with the strongest. Of course months of whining and complaining will give a profession a black eye.

Still, the meta will do what metas do and follow trends, and since Spotter/Frost Spirit/melee ranger has made the rounds, I think that black eye has been fading and people are starting to notice that power rangers are actually stout.

Even though I love it as my main, it’s will always be one of those classes where you really don’t want more than one per party due to traits+spirits.

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Posted by: Locce.8405

Locce.8405

Just play it.

The problems will speak for themselves.

That’s not entirely accurate. It should be: “Just watch others play it.”

When I fight a champion or other tough mob I know I am in trouble the moment a bear shows up beside me.
No matter how obvious the missile reflect ability of the mob is the ranger will choose that moment to use his longbow #2, and chances are that I will have to dodge or eat that damage.
No matter how many players are in melee with a given mob, no matter how many placed AoEs are just in effect, there will be that bearbow ranger who just has to prolong the fight with longbow #4.
And no matter if the targeted mob is within kissing range of the ranger he will rather lazily shuffle a few steps back than pull a melee weapon, because, you know, the class is called ranger. I guess if they were playing engineers they would strictly refuse attacking with anything that is not some kind of engine.

I do not want to say that the ranger class is 100% fine as it is… hardly any class is, but the worst problems, including the common cries of “Oh, please, not a ranger!”, are caused by ranger players doing dumb things and messing things up for others.

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Posted by: Viking Jorun.5413

Viking Jorun.5413

Just play it.

The problems will speak for themselves.

That’s not entirely accurate. It should be: “Just watch others play it.”

When I fight a champion or other tough mob I know I am in trouble the moment a bear shows up beside me.
No matter how obvious the missile reflect ability of the mob is the ranger will choose that moment to use his longbow #2, and chances are that I will have to dodge or eat that damage.
No matter how many players are in melee with a given mob, no matter how many placed AoEs are just in effect, there will be that bearbow ranger who just has to prolong the fight with longbow #4.
And no matter if the targeted mob is within kissing range of the ranger he will rather lazily shuffle a few steps back than pull a melee weapon, because, you know, the class is called ranger. I guess if they were playing engineers they would strictly refuse attacking with anything that is not some kind of engine.

I do not want to say that the ranger class is 100% fine as it is… hardly any class is, but the worst problems, including the common cries of “Oh, please, not a ranger!”, are caused by ranger players doing dumb things and messing things up for others.

See, but that’s the difference. Ranger isn’t bad, bear bows are. People need to learn the difference.

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Posted by: Locce.8405

Locce.8405

Agreed. And bearbows need to learn not to be bearbows.