If you are running solo or duo its going to charge slowly. Celestial Form is not meant to be a reset button.
If people would like to see Celestial Form become more reliable beyond +5man content maybe instead of AF generation they could just have CF start recharging at beginning of combat on ~15sec cd. Once off CD it can be used for ~7sec? When it ends it goes CD again. Leaving combat it is disabled.
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Vid of me solo and also some allies attacking spvp isle “lordroom” npcs, showing AF generation, low tier potential.
If you are running solo or duo its going to charge slowly. Celestial Form is not meant to be a reset button.
If people would like to see Celestial Form become more reliable beyond +5man content maybe instead of AF generation they could just have CF start recharging at beginning of combat on ~15sec cd. Once off CD it can be used for ~7sec? When it ends it goes CD again. Leaving combat it is disabled.
Good tip mate. So you suggest to Stay in combat to get stomped by revenants and mesmers XD Wow
If you are running solo or duo its going to charge slowly. Celestial Form is not meant to be a reset button.
If people would like to see Celestial Form become more reliable beyond +5man content maybe instead of AF generation they could just have CF start recharging at beginning of combat on ~15sec cd. Once off CD it can be used for ~7sec? When it ends it goes CD again. Leaving combat it is disabled.
Good tip mate. So you suggest to Stay in combat to get stomped by revenants and mesmers XD Wow
If you are running solo or duo its going to charge slowly. Celestial Form is not meant to be a reset button.
If people would like to see Celestial Form become more reliable beyond +5man content maybe instead of AF generation they could just have CF start recharging at beginning of combat on ~15sec cd. Once off CD it can be used for ~7sec? When it ends it goes CD again. Leaving combat it is disabled.
Good tip mate. So you suggest to Stay in combat to get stomped by revenants and mesmers XD Wow
Playing my cleric decap druid w/ staff and I barely get to use it, worse still, I can’t have it saved up so I can be ready to jump into a team fight to support.
In the greater blob of things, there is only the zerg.
Kittens, Kittens everywhere!
If you are running solo or duo its going to charge slowly. Celestial Form is not meant to be a reset button.
If people would like to see Celestial Form become more reliable beyond +5man content maybe instead of AF generation they could just have CF start recharging at beginning of combat on ~15sec cd. Once off CD it can be used for ~7sec? When it ends it goes CD again. Leaving combat it is disabled.
Since when a elite specialisation needs to have some friends around to work? None of the others spec have any requirement on how to use theirs… Why ours? Too stronk? well it could balance the 3 years of ranger being last at everything.
Oh yeah sure. I’ll just stay in combat and never let my health reset.
This is ridiculous. For the first time ever, I’m running around shooting at pets, rock dogs, and doors just to stay in combat so my AF doesn’t decay. I guess it brings a “different type of play” to Druid, I just don’t know if it counts as a positive change.
Justine has to disagree with everything I say or post apparently, for some reason. Our opinions differ quite a bit, but she takes it to the next level.
There is just no reason for Astral Force to even exist, its a pointless mechanic and a giant locked iron gate on our specialisation. No other class has restrictions on how they can generate a resource like this, in fact they have the total opposite, many options to generate it easier. Ones that do no depend on a single weapon. It either needs major changes to make it more like the Adrenaline system or Life Force/DS system, including adding generation to glyphs and other traits, or just remove it completely and stay with CAF CDs as the restriction on entry to CAF. As is, its basically killed Druid.
Ok I made a quick vid of me soloing and also randoms attacking the spvp isle “lordroom” npcs. I just kinda go crazy and button smash and am generating 100% AF in ~17-27 sec if I math right.
Will someone with pvp skill be able to achieve similar or better results in an actual pvp match? We wont know if people cry druid is trash and wont attempt to make something of it.
Ok I made a quick vid of me soloing and also randoms attacking the spvp isle “lordroom” npcs. I just kinda go crazy and button smash and am generating 100% AF in ~17-27 sec if I math right.
Will someone with pvp skill be able to achieve similar or better results in an actual pvp match? We wont know if people cry druid is trash and wont attempt to make something of it.
2 teamates and TU. Nothing to prove there. Plus, you use staff.
Ok I made a quick vid of me soloing and also randoms attacking the spvp isle “lordroom” npcs. I just kinda go crazy and button smash and am generating 100% AF in ~17-27 sec if I math right.
Will someone with pvp skill be able to achieve similar or better results in an actual pvp match? We wont know if people cry druid is trash and wont attempt to make something of it.
2 teamates and TU. Nothing to prove there. Plus, you use staff.
If TU and Staff are optimal for AF generation then why would I not use them?
And there really isn’t a need to be using CF in a solo setting. More allies is kind of implied.
Ok I made a quick vid of me soloing and also randoms attacking the spvp isle “lordroom” npcs. I just kinda go crazy and button smash and am generating 100% AF in ~17-27 sec if I math right.
Will someone with pvp skill be able to achieve similar or better results in an actual pvp match? We wont know if people cry druid is trash and wont attempt to make something of it.
Wow 25secs to generate it without allies and getting the multiple hits from barrage on multiple targets. 25 seconds. Too strong. Cant believe people don’t think that is sufficient generation.
Ok I made a quick vid of me soloing and also randoms attacking the spvp isle “lordroom” npcs. I just kinda go crazy and button smash and am generating 100% AF in ~17-27 sec if I math right.
Will someone with pvp skill be able to achieve similar or better results in an actual pvp match? We wont know if people cry druid is trash and wont attempt to make something of it.
Wow 25secs to generate it without allies and getting the multiple hits from barrage on multiple targets. 25 seconds. Too strong. Cant believe people don’t think that is sufficient generation.
Solo you don’t need CF more then once every 30sec. There is just so little to do in CF that requires you to be in it frequently or for a long duration. Watch where I am forced to cast TU while in celestial form. There just isn’t enough pressure/defensive skills to merit being in it while solo and the npcs arnt dying any faster.
Ok I made a quick vid of me soloing and also randoms attacking the spvp isle “lordroom” npcs. I just kinda go crazy and button smash and am generating 100% AF in ~17-27 sec if I math right.
Will someone with pvp skill be able to achieve similar or better results in an actual pvp match? We wont know if people cry druid is trash and wont attempt to make something of it.
Wow 25secs to generate it without allies and getting the multiple hits from barrage on multiple targets. 25 seconds. Too strong. Cant believe people don’t think that is sufficient generation.
Solo you don’t need CF more then once every 30sec. There is just so little to do in CF that requires you to be in it frequently or for a long duration. Watch where I am forced to cast TU while in celestial form. There just isn’t enough pressure/defensive skills to merit being in it while solo and the npcs arnt dying any faster.
Lol ok yeah only needing it once every 30s. k bye.
Ok I made a quick vid of me soloing and also randoms attacking the spvp isle “lordroom” npcs. I just kinda go crazy and button smash and am generating 100% AF in ~17-27 sec if I math right.
Will someone with pvp skill be able to achieve similar or better results in an actual pvp match? We wont know if people cry druid is trash and wont attempt to make something of it.
Wow 25secs to generate it without allies and getting the multiple hits from barrage on multiple targets. 25 seconds. Too strong. Cant believe people don’t think that is sufficient generation.
Solo you don’t need CF more then once every 30sec. There is just so little to do in CF that requires you to be in it frequently or for a long duration. Watch where I am forced to cast TU while in celestial form. There just isn’t enough pressure/defensive skills to merit being in it while solo and the npcs arnt dying any faster.
So according to you, we should build around the CF so it is usable???? None of the other spec needs to be build around their new features. Why would druid be the only one?
Ok I made a quick vid of me soloing and also randoms attacking the spvp isle “lordroom” npcs. I just kinda go crazy and button smash and am generating 100% AF in ~17-27 sec if I math right.
Will someone with pvp skill be able to achieve similar or better results in an actual pvp match? We wont know if people cry druid is trash and wont attempt to make something of it.
Wow 25secs to generate it without allies and getting the multiple hits from barrage on multiple targets. 25 seconds. Too strong. Cant believe people don’t think that is sufficient generation.
Solo you don’t need CF more then once every 30sec. There is just so little to do in CF that requires you to be in it frequently or for a long duration. Watch where I am forced to cast TU while in celestial form. There just isn’t enough pressure/defensive skills to merit being in it while solo and the npcs arnt dying any faster.
Lol ok yeah only needing it once every 30s. k bye.
Why would you need CF more then once every 30sec solo. Under what circumstance would that be useful? To have an extra skill bar of ultra low CD you can pop in spam and jump out ever 10sec? That’s how it would be used solo. Rangers would be the next d/d ele.
Ok I made a quick vid of me soloing and also randoms attacking the spvp isle “lordroom” npcs. I just kinda go crazy and button smash and am generating 100% AF in ~17-27 sec if I math right.
Will someone with pvp skill be able to achieve similar or better results in an actual pvp match? We wont know if people cry druid is trash and wont attempt to make something of it.
Wow 25secs to generate it without allies and getting the multiple hits from barrage on multiple targets. 25 seconds. Too strong. Cant believe people don’t think that is sufficient generation.
Solo you don’t need CF more then once every 30sec. There is just so little to do in CF that requires you to be in it frequently or for a long duration. Watch where I am forced to cast TU while in celestial form. There just isn’t enough pressure/defensive skills to merit being in it while solo and the npcs arnt dying any faster.
Lol ok yeah only needing it once every 30s. k bye.
Why would you need CF more then once every 30sec solo. Under what circumstance would that be useful? To have an extra skill bar of ultra low CD you can pop in spam and jump out ever 10sec? That’s how it would be used solo. Rangers would be the next d/d ele.
Most PvP fights are over in less than 30 seconds, unless they involve a bunker or cele ele/necro. Even then, it’s often better to retreat and try a different point if it’s taking that long. CAF is essentially useless in PvP.
I’m trying to find ways to build CF without staff/ TU atm. Although its pretty hard since they nerfed healing % contribution… Atm I’m trying water field blasting but its really low.
You would imagine that just using staff skills would generate the AF in 10 or so seconds since that is the CD for AF but nope.
Just going to run base ranger now.
Ok I making new vid of 0-100% AF in ~13sec without staff/TU/allies.
After making the vid and starting its upload I decided to give it another go for lols. I got it down to 10sec. Totally not useful but its amusing to me. Will finish uploading in ~1hr so will post it then.
I’m trying to find ways to build CF without staff/ TU atm. Although its pretty hard since they nerfed healing % contribution… Atm I’m trying water field blasting but its really low.
I’m trying to find ways to build CF without staff/ TU atm. Although its pretty hard since they nerfed healing % contribution… Atm I’m trying water field blasting but its really low.
Iam trying to find ways to build CF WITH Staff…..
I can look more into that tonight. I’m thinking about starting a thread:
How to: Astral Generation
The idea being people who are serious about using druid CF will post helpful tips on entering it in a reasonable way in various settings. There is some gear for instance that will heal and also aoe heal. Has this stuff been tested for AF generation? Leeching heals count for AF generation? I don’t see this type of stuff in a centralized post for easy access. All I see is crybaby threads.
If you are running solo or duo its going to charge slowly. Celestial Form is not meant to be a reset button.
If people would like to see Celestial Form become more reliable beyond +5man content maybe instead of AF generation they could just have CF start recharging at beginning of combat on ~15sec cd. Once off CD it can be used for ~7sec? When it ends it goes CD again. Leaving combat it is disabled.
edit:
Vid of me solo and also some allies attacking spvp isle “lordroom” npcs, showing AF generation, low tier potential.
Show us a video of you doing this in a real PvP match, not some fight against NPC’s. Also, do it without verdent etching. This is what people want, actual AF generation without sacrificing their builds to pickup staff or glyphs.
I don’t see this type of stuff in a centralized post for easy access. All I see is crybaby threads.
Because you are blinded by pure bias.
I mean, holy kitten dude, you are literally considering putting out a guide just to explain that the best way to build AF but still think it works in it’s current form.
That’s absurd.
It should just happen. If we need a guide then it’s absolutely broken and not functional.
Or if this is the standard then they better nerf the ever living kitten out of Death/Reaper shroud and the adrenaline bar since those fill up with little to no effort naturally.
Show us a video of you doing this in a real PvP match, not some fight against NPC’s. Also, do it without verdent etching. This is what people want, actual AF generation without sacrificing their builds to pickup staff or glyphs.
Face rolls entire skill bar while NPC’s stand in barrage. Seems legit.
The issue with AF degenerating is not just about Celestial avatar itself. It also devalues various traits and the entire glyph family.
For Druidic clarity, Celestial shadow, Grace of the land, and every glyph you should be as free as possible to swap between modes. Otherwise they are worthless.
While the Druid line is quite solid in itself and we can make due without the Avatar form, there is no reason to take Druid over Core at the moment.
If you are running solo or duo its going to charge slowly. Celestial Form is not meant to be a reset button.
If people would like to see Celestial Form become more reliable beyond +5man content maybe instead of AF generation they could just have CF start recharging at beginning of combat on ~15sec cd. Once off CD it can be used for ~7sec? When it ends it goes CD again. Leaving combat it is disabled.
edit:
Vid of me solo and also some allies attacking spvp isle “lordroom” npcs, showing AF generation, low tier potential.
I’m trying to find ways to build CF without staff/ TU atm. Although its pretty hard since they nerfed healing % contribution… Atm I’m trying water field blasting but its really low.
The point is you shouldnt need to bloody worry about speccing and building with AF generation in mind….thats just a failure of a design…jesus , can you seriously not understand that??.
Do warriors need to worry about saying “oh man i should have given up more of mybuild for adrenline generation?”
Do eles have to give up certain traits or skills or utilties to swap attunements?…
Look at necros deathshroud… Do they have to make serious sacrifices in their builds to pop into shroud?. no because its designed a lot better than this peice of crap that anet put together with just 1 BWE worth of feedback… Not to mention roy is prolly in the background constantly saying “nonono we dont want rangers to be equal to other classes, they need to be worse”
If you are running solo or duo its going to charge slowly. Celestial Form is not meant to be a reset button.
If people would like to see Celestial Form become more reliable beyond +5man content maybe instead of AF generation they could just have CF start recharging at beginning of combat on ~15sec cd. Once off CD it can be used for ~7sec? When it ends it goes CD again. Leaving combat it is disabled.
edit:
Vid of me solo and also some allies attacking spvp isle “lordroom” npcs, showing AF generation, low tier potential.
Seeing this thread, I almost feel sad I got an infraction in other post saying Druid is very bad in PVP after Irene posted his changes post BWE3 in top thread.
People were flaming me so hard for saying Druid would be somewhat useless in PVP.
Now see what’s coming to you guys.
On to my Revenant (Btw, these guys are really proven to be RIDICULOUSLY STRONG. Insanely high dps and very wide range UA, and also very bunky)
ps: I watched your linked video. Hahaha, you did exactly what I did here, using Barrage on bunch of unmoving / non-dodging npc/ dummy. Yes, I recharged the bar in around 12 secs. But this situation would NEVER happen in PVP. (Aside from maybe strong hold?) Keep dreaming.
Seeing this thread, I almost feel sad I got an infraction in other post saying Druid is very bad in PVP after Irene posted his changes post BWE3 in top thread.
People were flaming me so hard for saying Druid would be somewhat useless in PVP.
Now see what’s coming to you guys.
On to my Revenant (Btw, these guys are really proven to be RIDICULOUSLY STRONG. Insanely high dps and very wide range UA, and also very bunky)
Druid as it was in BWE3 was somewhat promising. Then, in typical ANet fashion, they took what allowed rangers to be only slightly suboptimal, and completely stealth gutted it without a word. Gee, thanks.
I like your jibe at the end of your 2nd video, “Think of more restrictions next time”
Ok, here is one.
Play Druid in SoloQ, play as a Hybrid/Support build without Staff or TU. Contribute to a win.
You show me your druid spvp play and I will show you mine.
Huh? You are the one arguing that AF is fine, so it’s on you to prove it in a real game. I’m starting to think this whole thread was originally a troll post.
If you are running solo or duo its going to charge slowly. Celestial Form is not meant to be a reset button.
If people would like to see Celestial Form become more reliable beyond +5man content maybe instead of AF generation they could just have CF start recharging at beginning of combat on ~15sec cd. Once off CD it can be used for ~7sec? When it ends it goes CD again. Leaving combat it is disabled.
edit:
Vid of me solo and also some allies attacking spvp isle “lordroom” npcs, showing AF generation, low tier potential.
I like your jibe at the end of your 2nd video, “Think of more restrictions next time”
Ok, here is one.
Play Druid in SoloQ, play as a Hybrid/Support build without Staff or TU. Contribute to a win.
You show me your druid spvp play and I will show you mine.
You are just trolling because you know I cannot play atm.
You asked for more restrictions at the end of your second video because you claim AF generation is fine. I give them to you. Spamming skills on NPCs is one thing, especially when you are set up for multiple hit attacks, mad king runes etc. Actually having it work and succeed in a pvp match without staff is another thing. This is your response?
My restrictions;
An actual PvP match
An Amulet with Healing Power so you can actually support through heals
Why is everyone expecting me to suddenly after 3years pickup spvp? where did I indicate that THIS WILL WORK in spvp? Is spvp the only game mode all a sudden?
