Guild Wars 2

I think axe offhand would be a lot more effective and a lot more fun if by default or by way of trait if you could ground target axe 5.

The ranger could leap/roll to the spot and then use the skill, it could be used to save allies, reflect more effectively, move etc.

i agree, it would be nice and it would had some support in some situation

At first I didn’t think it should be ground targeted, as in: ranged.
But as you mention leap-rolling to the spot first, I think a 600 range would be very fitting.

Great idea like that: it gives more utility, but doesn’t touch the ‘logic’ of the skill by no longer being the ranger twirling his axes.

Nice idea, and good compromise, I like this.

i’m for this, i hate how it grounds you when you currently use it

I can agree with this, keeping it within 600 range and maybe make it not last as long since you can throw it in a radius of 600. I dont think it would be OP and would give off-hand axe alot more utility without alot of change.

Maybe it could use the animation of lightning reflexes with an added evade (just to get to the target).

If you compare Axe/Axe to a lot of other classes and weapon combinations it feels quite static and there isn’t a lot you can do except spam your skills(although the pull can be used to great effect) and the Axe 5 doesn’t really have any area it shines in.

The traits that support off hand axe also aren’t that great.

I think if my idea is implemented it would fill in a lot of holes in terms of fun, viability, effectiveness and variety.

i like this idea.
maybe it also should have a dodge when leap/roll.
then doing the effect for a time
and what whould be rly nice,
when press 5 again (like engi shield) there should be knock back blast finisher effect or something.
no this whould be not op, engi can do so much more then rangers

After swtching to Axe Offhand, you should already have Swiftness and thus no issues positioning yourself in time… I don’t get the need for this change honestly :\

Ace.1726:

and the Axe 5 doesn’t really have any area it shines in.

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG

it annihilates other rangers and grenade engis. Not to mention staff guardian, and GS mesmer.

if you use axes with high crit build, you will pretty much destroy anything that comes unprepared. As in, anything that relies on ranged DPS/ranged condition spam alone.

Prysin.8542:

Ace.1726:

and the Axe 5 doesn’t really have any area it shines in.

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG

it annihilates other rangers and grenade engis. Not to mention staff guardian, and GS mesmer.

if you use axes with high crit build, you will pretty much destroy anything that comes unprepared. As in, anything that relies on ranged DPS/ranged condition spam alone.

It always makes me tear up a little when I WD ontop of a downed enemy and kill all his friends trying to Rez him and the stupid grenade throwing engi trying to get me off….. It’s just so beautiful….

Durzlla.6295:

Prysin.8542:

Ace.1726:

and the Axe 5 doesn’t really have any area it shines in.

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG

it annihilates other rangers and grenade engis. Not to mention staff guardian, and GS mesmer.

if you use axes with high crit build, you will pretty much destroy anything that comes unprepared. As in, anything that relies on ranged DPS/ranged condition spam alone.

It always makes me tear up a little when I WD ontop of a downed enemy and kill all his friends trying to Rez him and the stupid grenade throwing engi trying to get me off….. It’s just so beautiful….

Amen!

axe 5 should be blast finisher when activate again and knock back :/

Prysin.8542:

Ace.1726:

and the Axe 5 doesn’t really have any area it shines in.

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG

it annihilates other rangers and grenade engis. Not to mention staff guardian, and GS mesmer.

if you use axes with high crit build, you will pretty much destroy anything that comes unprepared. As in, anything that relies on ranged DPS/ranged condition spam alone.

Anyone decent won’t use projectiles on you when you use Axe 5, kind of useful in WvW since the players their aren’t as good as in sPVP. Even so it’s a high cooldown projectile reflect, it doesn’t do anything better any other projectile reflect skill does, worse in fact.

Ace.1726:

Prysin.8542:

Ace.1726:

and the Axe 5 doesn’t really have any area it shines in.

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG

it annihilates other rangers and grenade engis. Not to mention staff guardian, and GS mesmer.

if you use axes with high crit build, you will pretty much destroy anything that comes unprepared. As in, anything that relies on ranged DPS/ranged condition spam alone.

Anyone decent won’t use projectiles on you when you use Axe 5, kind of useful in WvW since the players their aren’t as good as in sPVP. Even so it’s a high cooldown projectile reflect, it doesn’t do anything better any other projectile reflect skill does, worse in fact.

Most players don’t realize that Engineers Grenades count as projectiles so most engis will slaughter themselves. Keep in mind if you are in a field it’s the best Whirl Finisher in the game due to how long it lasts, it applies vuln with each hit if they’re in melee range, and if you catch your opponent right after they weapon swap to a ranged weapon you’ve bought yourself 5 seconds of safety.

well but whats going on when the engi is not a kitten?
just run to you and use one of his much knock backs :P

this whirle finisher is also less good as you think.
engi have much better offhand skills on shield then this axe

for me, axe 5 should have blast finisher to heal up when use it in the healing spring.
engi shield can also reflect projectiles and then use it again for a blast finisher, so it whould just be fair

dont know, but only not good players whould keep shooting when a ranger use the full time of axe 5 animation.

Oidmetala.8426:

well but whats going on when the engi is not a kitten?
just run to you and use one of his much knock backs :P

this whirle finisher is also less good as you think.
engi have much better offhand skills on shield then this axe

for me, axe 5 should have blast finisher to heal up when use it in the healing spring.
engi shield can also reflect projectiles and then use it again for a blast finisher, so it whould just be fair

dont know, but only not good players whould keep shooting when a ranger use the full time of axe 5 animation.

Well if the engi wants to waste a knock back by all means he can waste one. And their Reflect lasts A LOT less time than ours, and it doesn’t damage anything…

And like i said, if they’re smart it just gives you 5 seconds of them not doing anything to you instead, not to mention the damage is still good, so you can always use it offensively.

Axe 5 should instantly kill all enemys on given border/ pvp map/ pve map. No need for ground targeting, just pure destruction. Then OP can find another skill he is not happy with and look for new not-so-good ideas for improvement.

Now on serious note, axe 5 is perfectly fine as it is. Stacking vurnability, doing dmg and reflecting projectiles…hello? It has great synergie with axe 4 now, add spiked trap on top of that combo and guy is pulled into trap, and shredded pretty badly.

Rolling 600 then starting to whirl is kinda clunky, since you would probably eat few projectiles while setting up, not to mention that you would telegraph your intention to enemy. Giving it evade would be too powerful, i mean cmon, reflecting, vurnability, dmg, evade…only nuclear strike is missing then…

This is why skill balance and design is done by objective people that get paid to do it and not by subjective players that only wants their skills to PWN.

kk pro
visit me in pvp with your offhand axe
i show u how good your axe 5 is :P
the pull is nice now, the 5 is meeh

waste a knock as engi? seriously?
if ranger dont move its rly usefull to knock him and then dmg him hard.
yes sure thats waste, engi have so less knocks.
when a ranger use this rly good axe 5 skill hes not
move, rly easy target there.

dont know, maybe you can say me against which build axe 5 is rly useful?
and i speak about, against which good player
not low skill

and whats a bad idea on give it a blast finisher?
is ranger atm so strong that he needs not some buffs for some not much used weapons?

i have say this weapon should whirle like always on 5 and when i press 5 again, BECUAUSE most time such a skill need to be used fast for block some skills and then move again.
not for staying stupid around on a point for become easy target.
with this change it whould be able to block a strong range attack, then press again for blast finisher in healing spring and then move again.
oh and this is exactly what engin can do, is it then op?

for stack vurnability good players are not stupid enough vs skills where a player dont move and axe 5 dmg is joke, also when i have berserker amu.
and THEN its a rly bad idea to dont move when use such a skill with dps builds

Oidmetala.8426:

kk pro
visit me in pvp with your offhand axe
i show u how good your axe 5 is :P
the pull is nice now, the 5 is meeh

dont know, maybe you can say me against which build axe 5 is rly useful?
and i speak about, against which good player
not low skill

Waving with your kitten is real mature way to demonstrate quality of skill, im sure. And it would prove what egzactly? If you would win its certain proof that axe 5 is “meeh”? And if i would win using off hand axe it would be certain proof that axe 5 is good, right?
Its useful against any build that is using ranged burst skills, like thief’s pistol sneak attack etc. In the end, its useful as much as you make it useful, which comes down to players skill and smarts…“kk pro”?

Also, one skill with whirl and blast finisher is perfectly balanced in your eyes? Just leave it to big boys in Arena to balance and design skills…

well something like this i whanted to say.
skilled players dont care about when a ranger is on note and use axe 5 Oo

ele whould updraft it or just dmg him hard when not move
engi whould for sure knock him and then dmg him, oh and he have also blind field :P
or beter, engi bomb him with fire field bombs and much blast finishers into heaven
warrior dont care about
thief also dont care about s/d and d/p ones
bunker guard dont care, maybe bubble him
other ranger use torch 5 on this postion and pet do a good dmg in this time when he not move
mesmer shatter him hard

ranger is not good in eat dmg when dont dodge much
also a bm ranger not
in tpvp fights are rly fast, no time for such a long time not move anmiation
and sure, in my mind it whould be balanced.
and it was just a idea, anet can do what they whant with ranger.
i have the luck to play also guardian.

engi shield reflect projectiles and if press again knocks back and is blast finisher :P
axe 5 reflect projectiles, stack vurnability if a player is stupid enough to stay in it rly long and is a whirle finisher (whirle finisher is rly much more bad then blast finisher)

just compare a bit
bomb engi builds with what can rangers do..

then speak about how op our weapons whould be with some less improves-.-
i stop here, i hate to argue with ppls like you.

you was just not able to write your first answer without try to attack me a bit,
so dont wonder when i write back like this

for use axe 5 atm good its just sad.
because i have to use it when i whant block strong range attacks.
but i cant most time use the full time of this skill and then i have to intterupt it myself by moving.
there need something happen when i press it again in MY MIND

It needs more damage and retaliation immunity, that is all it needs.

@Oid you clearly aren’t a good player, I mean you seem to be in this illusionary world where the second I hit WD I can no longer move, and you clearly aren’t thinking if you go “oh that engi has a bomb kit! Lets pull him in and WD that’ll show him!!” That’s like popping WD on a zerker GS warrior and expecting to win out against 100blades.

You also seem to be completely ignoring the fact a ranger can immob someone for bloody ever, try to evade out of a WD when their running Black Widow + Jungle Spider, it’s ok, I’ll wait.

you have ideas.
i write about, when you start with this strong Whirle Defense
other players can easy hit you with there dmg combos.

and this is not a offensive skill, the dmg is joke man.
you seriosly attack ppls with it?
with berzerker stuff, right?

i only see a offhand axe maybe for a bunker spirit ranger or bunker trapper ranger.
to pull ppls with axe 4 into your traps or spirit active skills.
the axe 5 is to block some ranged attacks and then move again, because good players burst you when you stop move, they know in this axe 5 animation you dont dodge and dmg is low.
so you have to interrupt it yourself to dodge next enemy bursts.

its nothing strong/useful when our axe 5 skill have a more long cast time
then the engi reflection shield skill
gw2 is a fast game, there i would prefer the more short cast time on axe 5,
but have something nice like the engi reflection shield skill when i press it again.

good moving and positioning is better then this skill.
offhand dagger is so much better then offhand axe atm, also because we are only ~good in condi builds.

oh and i have forget necros in last post.
because they also not care about this skill…
just cast a fear field to stop this ranger doing this or better dmg him hard.
and in pvp its a teamfight, you cant stay around on node an whire around like a monkey, you will eat so much aoe dmg.

and if this WD whould have rly interesting dmg, it whould also be dangerous to cast.
when i whant cast my guardian staff might stack skill, its always dangerours, because i cant move in this time.
often i eat not less dmg when i do this skill and my positioning is not good (not always so easy vs much aoe dmg on the node)

maybe, for you guys this skill looks so useful on wvw,
because u can stay on the castle and whire around to block ranged attacks, i dont know
but whould be good positioning not better there?

for me axe 5 need some improve.
axe 4 is nice now

i played a bit around with engi last days, trust me, this class can do so much amazing things. ranger looks rly bad against what i can do with engi