Guild Wars 2

It’s good to know indestructible, portable stat sticks with unique group buffs nobody else brings were buffed, while traits that boost groups still only stay at +70 a stat.

The ranger’s output actually went down this patch since pet swapping for quickness was our only real burst and that was halved.

Jesus, yet another game that applies Blanket nerfs as if all classes were affected equally.

I’m sorry but, whine whine, if you were a real ranger you’d do one of two things.

1) Suck it up and deal with it since we’ve been having this since beta
or
2) Learn and adapt. Trapper weren’t discovered until recently even though they haven’t been touched since beta.

jup…
traited banner of discipline should be about the power of 3 spirits now. Huge bonus to crit chance and crit damage, regen, fury, swiftness, … AND it’s indestructible.
100% uptime, huge AoE.
Go figure.
@Above: The thing is not about trappers or whatnot. The problem is the friggin numbers.
Just compare the damage boost of a planted banner of discipline with the damage boost of a frost spirit.
Ignore the regen, fury, swiftness, ignore the fact, it can be replaced at will and has 100% uptime while being indestructible. Just compare the raw damage boost.
Then come back and say again, it is NOT a proplem with simple numbers.
The spirits are weak. Even without being fragile and all, first and foremost, they are weak. Heck, even our ultimate is almost outmatched by a banner.
Almost as in the revive part is probably stronger for our spirit

ChillyChinaman.6057:

2) Learn and adapt. Trapper weren’t discovered until recently even though they haven’t been touched since beta.

Lol what?!?

OGDeadHead.8326:

ChillyChinaman.6057:

2) Learn and adapt. Trapper weren’t discovered until recently even though they haven’t been touched since beta.

Lol what?!?

I was surprised to, I started playing at head start and full carrion trapper was my first build. Thought it was kinda obvious.

ChillyChinaman.6057:

OGDeadHead.8326:

ChillyChinaman.6057:

2) Learn and adapt. Trapper weren’t discovered until recently even though they haven’t been touched since beta.

Lol what?!?

I was surprised to, I started playing at head start and full carrion trapper was my first build. Thought it was kinda obvious.

He meant to say you’re the only one who thinks that, kid.

Bellocchi.4593:

ChillyChinaman.6057:

OGDeadHead.8326:

ChillyChinaman.6057:

2) Learn and adapt. Trapper weren’t discovered until recently even though they haven’t been touched since beta.

Lol what?!?

I was surprised to, I started playing at head start and full carrion trapper was my first build. Thought it was kinda obvious.

He meant to say you’re the only one who thinks that, kid.

Really? I hear it quite often in the idle chatter around LA. I don’t play tpvp myself, but there a quite a few, not a lot, of people saying that trap rangers are quite strong.

The point of my post is that ranger have not been getting any substantial fixes recently, and probably won’t in the forseeable future based on the dev teams track record. As players we have two options. In a less inflammatory tone, here they are:
We can adapt around these changes and maybe discover a powerful new build, or get used to the new status quo.

ChillyChinaman.6057:

I’m sorry but, whine whine, if you were a real ranger you’d do one of two things.

1) Suck it up and deal with it since we’ve been having this since beta
or
2) Learn and adapt. Trapper weren’t discovered until recently even though they haven’t been touched since beta.

or
3) Continue to show where we need buffs to AN here on the forums, even though you have lost your hopes and keep playing your Rangers trying to learn and adapt with the little we have, but make sure to not give a dime to AN until we’re fixed.

Personally I told you that nothing will change. Robert Hrouda is just a dungeon designer. Nothing more. He can’t make any impact on the balance team. And they’re obviously out of this world. They just severely nerfed berserker ranger build. They severly nerfed our utility with quickness. While that kittening mesmer has tons of other utilities for the group besides TW – we don’t have many. Forget about that speed stomps and resses. That thing which was one of Rangers only advantages is now gone.

What next? Spirits still crap. Pets still crap. LB still crap.

GS buff? Thanks a lot. This will make a difference.

I remember times when engineers where the most bugged class after rangers. Look at patch notes and feel the difference. Amen.

The only 2 balance designers play warrior.
Just saying.
If one of them were a Ranger, we would be strong and we would have fun with our class.

Why the passive effects from Warrior banners got buffed by ~90% (170 instead of 90) whilst Ranger spirits are left unchanged ?

ChillyChinaman.6057:

I’m sorry but, whine whine, if you were a real ranger you’d do one of two things.

1) Suck it up and deal with it since we’ve been having this since beta
or
2) Learn and adapt. Trapper weren’t discovered until recently even though they haven’t been touched since beta.

1) You can suck up as much as you want, but just because ANet has dropped the ball on rangers in the past doesn’t justify them in dropping it even further now.

2) “Learn and adapt” won’t magically make some build that will do anything better than any other class can do.

Also, trappers weren’t “discovered” and have been around forever. The only reason they made a ripple in PvP was because the meta of bunker builds was stale as hell and people forgot how to deal with a mediocre spec that people stopped playing long ago because it was mediocre.

Dahkeus.8243:

ChillyChinaman.6057:

I’m sorry but, whine whine, if you were a real ranger you’d do one of two things.

1) Suck it up and deal with it since we’ve been having this since beta
or
2) Learn and adapt. Trapper weren’t discovered until recently even though they haven’t been touched since beta.

1) You can suck up as much as you want, but just because ANet has dropped the ball on rangers in the past doesn’t justify them in dropping it even further now.

2) “Learn and adapt” won’t magically make some build that will do anything better than any other class can do.

Also, trappers weren’t “discovered” and have been around forever. The only reason they made a ripple in PvP was because the meta of bunker builds was stale as hell and people forgot how to deal with a mediocre spec that people stopped playing long ago because it was mediocre.

1) I’m not trying to justify their inadequacy, I’m trying to protect others from it.
2) I wasn’t saying it would make unviable builds suddently viable. Just as you said, it was build that took advantage of the meta that people forgot how to counter.