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John: ranger is pretty pet-reliant so the best thing to do is get a bear and use it to tank while you dps with a bow from a distance
Mike: oh cool i’ll try it out, where do i cap bear

So I figure I should chime in before the poor newb actually ends up trying to run bearbow and I get:

John: dude wtf i am giving legit advice
Sam: man i dunno but my friend runs bearbow and he seems to do just fine
Phil: yeah lol i leveled my ranger all the way to 15 using bear + bow, havent had any problems yet
Tom: dude they’re ’range"rs, youre supposed to use a bow
Dave: lol literally every ranger in my guild runs bearbow, but im sure this random dude in map chat knows better than the meta

So there you have it, bearbow is the meta. Why haven’t you respecced yet?

Since I feel bear are just dead meat… this just creep me… No I can’t join this bearbow meta…

lol. Drake and bird FTW!

People called me troll when I said bearbow OP. It truly is the new meta.

Murellow seems even better than bear to me.

Also – Bow will never outDPS a melee build. Ever.
It’s safe for leveling and that’s its only purpose. What does it have in common with Meta?

Bearbow is excellent for PvE leveling.

Looks at sig. vvvv

Im a bear-liever.

My brown bear has come out of its cave.

I’ve been running Brown Bear since his F2 got buffed to 2 condis and can say he totally trivializes fights, he’s so tanky that I literally can just hit F1 and forget about him in 99% of fights since he will just out heal anything thrown at him.

That being said in the grand scheme of things his damage isn’t AWFUL due to 100% uptime which very few other pets can have and he allows me to run whatever the kitten I want as my second pet due to being almost 100% guaranteed that he will last until I need to/want to pet swap again.

EDIT: just want to point out that if you’re going for speed runs and/or the most optimal run, I highly doubt bear is what you want to run, I run mine to be a mobile shield + support/control on demand F2 skill.

People didn’t know this? I run bearbow while doing the Queensdale champ train and never once have we failed to kill a champion.

Holland.9351:

Bearbow is excellent for PvE leveling.

Bearbow is definitely the open world PvE meta for a ranger. You’re not doing it wrong if you’re not doing it, but honestly a Ranger almost can’t do it wrong when open world PvE is concerned. Bearbow is pretty easy. I still grabbed an eagle as soon as I could.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Enter Rata Sum to troll TP for free golds, see:

John: ranger is pretty pet-reliant so the best thing to do is get a bear and use it to tank while you dps with a bow from a distance
Mike: oh cool i’ll try it out, where do i cap bear

So I figure I should chime in before the poor newb actually ends up trying to run bearbow and I get:

John: dude wtf i am giving legit advice
Sam: man i dunno but my friend runs bearbow and he seems to do just fine
Phil: yeah lol i leveled my ranger all the way to 15 using bear + bow, havent had any problems yet
Tom: dude they’re ’range"rs, youre supposed to use a bow
Dave: lol literally every ranger in my guild runs bearbow, but im sure this random dude in map chat knows better than the meta

So there you have it, bearbow is the meta. Why haven’t you respecced yet?

I love going into high level dungeons and surprising everyone with the lethality of the ranger… That’s why I love the abundance of bearbow zerkanoobs rangers. Makes me look better! Don’t tell them rangers are best at close range (even with a bow).

Holland.9351:

Bearbow is excellent for PvE leveling.

Also great for stomping warriors and necromancers in PvE and WvW!!! Most warriors run in fear when they stare down the bear of Doom! Bears steamroll warriors… Right?

Given how weak mobs hit in open world now, I’m fairly certain double Feline with a GS, Sword, and Warhorn is best for leveling.

I die a little on the inside whenever I see stuff like this. Inexperienced rangers spreading advice given from their inexperience.

Not like rangers are the only profession with this problem, but we do have the most immediately visible crutch outside of healing signet on warriors.

Just don’t do it. Best advice.

You can tell alot about a ranger by what pet they have, in PvP a bearbow is an obvious squishy and I do love wailing on them. Great-sword and offhand axe, such great counter bow weapons.

I’m not an npc, I’m smart enough to know the bear is a meat-shield…not a bruiser. The ranger is the obvious source of dps.

MuchWaffle.2579:

You can tell alot about a ranger by what pet they have, in PvP a bearbow is an obvious squishy and I do love wailing on them. Great-sword and offhand axe, such great counter bow weapons.

I’m not an npc, I’m smart enough to know the bear is a meat-shield…not a bruiser. The ranger is the obvious source of dps.

lol this explains why in PvP I, the super tanky tank healer ranger who uses a bear for AoE condi removal, get focused in PvP xD, good thing the community tends to be too stupid to react to situations after realizing i’m not squishy as hell.

The advice given in Map Chat was not bad advice. Bear + Bow in PVE does make leveling very easy. As for what is the ‘best’ or ‘worst’ build it’s really all just nothing but opinion and personal preference.

I ran Bear + Bow when I first started and eventually found combinations better for me. Personally, I think Drakes tank as good as bears but bring more DPS. Plus their tail swipe is a blast finisher inside the healing spring so that’s another plus.

If I see a Ranger running a Bear, I don’t just assume they are bad and neither should anyone else. I have had quite a few players surprise me in both positive and negative ways, you can’t just judge them by their pet or their weapon choice. People should spend more time worrying about what they are doing and less time worrying about how others play the game. A lot of good Rangers have started off using this combination and learned better methods as they played more. Nothing wrong with newer players taking the easiest path to learn a class.

Dont forgot your Signet of the Hunt as well as Sharpening Stones.
And put Point Blank Shot on Autoattack.

Cheers

Darth Llama.9217:

The advice given in Map Chat was not bad advice. Bear + Bow in PVE does make leveling very easy. As for what is the ‘best’ or ‘worst’ build it’s really all just nothing but opinion and personal preference.

I ran Bear + Bow when I first started and eventually found combinations better for me. Personally, I think Drakes tank as good as bears but bring more DPS. Plus their tail swipe is a blast finisher inside the healing spring so that’s another plus.

If I see a Ranger running a Bear, I don’t just assume they are bad and neither should anyone else. I have had quite a few players surprise me in both positive and negative ways, you can’t just judge them by their pet or their weapon choice. People should spend more time worrying about what they are doing and less time worrying about how others play the game. A lot of good Rangers have started off using this combination and learned better methods as they played more. Nothing wrong with newer players taking the easiest path to learn a class.

In all seriousness, has anyone ever seen a cat or bird pet die against a trash mob? Longbow aside, there’s literally no reason to take bear in open-world because nothing is capable of killing your pet anyway. You can aggro half a dozen Risen and your cat can usually still facetank for them for a good 15-20 seconds, which is enough time to swap him if things actually get dicey. I don’t think there’s any one mob in the open world capable of killing a cat in less than 20 seconds.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Darth Llama.9217:

The advice given in Map Chat was not bad advice. Bear + Bow in PVE does make leveling very easy. As for what is the ‘best’ or ‘worst’ build it’s really all just nothing but opinion and personal preference.

I ran Bear + Bow when I first started and eventually found combinations better for me. Personally, I think Drakes tank as good as bears but bring more DPS. Plus their tail swipe is a blast finisher inside the healing spring so that’s another plus.

If I see a Ranger running a Bear, I don’t just assume they are bad and neither should anyone else. I have had quite a few players surprise me in both positive and negative ways, you can’t just judge them by their pet or their weapon choice. People should spend more time worrying about what they are doing and less time worrying about how others play the game. A lot of good Rangers have started off using this combination and learned better methods as they played more. Nothing wrong with newer players taking the easiest path to learn a class.

In all seriousness, has anyone ever seen a cat or bird pet die against a trash mob? Longbow aside, there’s literally no reason to take bear in open-world because nothing is capable of killing your pet anyway. You can aggro half a dozen Risen and your cat can usually still facetank for them for a good 15-20 seconds, which is enough time to swap him if things actually get dicey. I don’t think there’s any one mob in the open world capable of killing a cat in less than 20 seconds.

That’s just it, you HAVE to switch the mob, if I’m using a bear he can tank 15-20 Risen for hours on end, I mean kitten he can solo Karka if I have sig of stone and sig of wild (just the passives), he could probably solo risen easily.

well its safe to say im never ever ever running a bear or a bow ever agian in PvE. i already didn’t role a bear in PvE but now im for sure putting down my PvE bow for good. Bear bow makes me angry. really angry. it promotes not learning the game/ the class (if this isn’t your first character) and as a result it makes the player inferior at level 80. then all rangers get punished in pugs because majority of the class runs a stupid cheesy skill-less build. yes other classes have those builds. yes they use em. but few of them have to deal with a crappy stigma that is nonsensical.

Neko.9021:

Given how weak mobs hit in open world now, I’m fairly certain double Feline with a GS, Sword, and Warhorn is best for leveling.

From what I seen Felines are more popular than bears. Bears are on pet swap as backup. You are missing the whole point of using a bow, it is mindlessly easy. That is why it is the meta!

Darth Llama.9217:

As for what is the ‘best’ or ‘worst’ build it’s really all just nothing but opinion and personal preference.

The PvE meta is not based on opinions, it’s based on math. For example,

Darth Llama.9217:

Personally, I think Drakes tank as good as bears but bring more DPS.

That’s not an opinion.

Fluffball.8307:

Darth Llama.9217:

As for what is the ‘best’ or ‘worst’ build it’s really all just nothing but opinion and personal preference.

The PvE meta is not based on opinions, it’s based on math. For example,

Darth Llama.9217:

Personally, I think Drakes tank as good as bears but bring more DPS.

That’s not an opinion.

The first part of it actually is opinion, the drakes don’t usually TANK as well as bears due to the significantly lower health pool and their Agro is lower in most fights, they do however have more damage, and outperform every pet in raw damage in an AoE setting due to the only ones having AoE.

I meant that you can look at the numbers and be able to tell exactly how much damage or tankiness the pets have. You can’t say something like “personally I believe bears are the highest damage pets and I believe cats have the best AoE.” You can say “I know for a fact bears have the lowest DPS and I know for a fact cats don’t have any AoE.”

Fluffball.8307:

I meant that you can look at the numbers and be able to tell exactly how much damage or tankiness the pets have. You can’t say something like “personally I believe bears are the highest damage pets and I believe cats have the best AoE.” You can say “I know for a fact bears have the lowest DPS and I know for a fact cats don’t have any AoE.”

Ah ok, sorry just being a bit nitpicky lol.

And actually in the grand scheme of things bears DO have good DPS purely from their 100% uptime in realistic scenarios, if a cat, or bird or drake had the same uptime as the bear in any given fight they’d win hands down.

Only pet I think the bear beats in DPS might be the boar family, but idk for sure.

There are only a couple scenarios where pets die (WvW zerg, Living Story mega champs, etc.,) and in those scenarios even the bear will die.

Forgot about the pigs. I think they might do more damage than bears because they don’t have any defensive skills. Don’t quote me on that though.

Durzlla.6295:

I’ve been running Brown Bear since his F2 got buffed to 2 condis and can say he totally trivializes fights, he’s so tanky that I literally can just hit F1 and forget about him in 99% of fights since he will just out heal anything thrown at him.

I guess the 1% where the bears doesn’t trivializes a fight includes a bunch of champions, since I would really like to see a bear outheal some of the damage champions deals, even when built for absolute maximum tankiness.
Who cares about general pve trash, any pet will work just fine vs those.

OGDeadHead.8326:

Durzlla.6295:

I’ve been running Brown Bear since his F2 got buffed to 2 condis and can say he totally trivializes fights, he’s so tanky that I literally can just hit F1 and forget about him in 99% of fights since he will just out heal anything thrown at him.

I guess the 1% where the bears doesn’t trivializes a fight includes a bunch of champions, since I would really like to see a bear outheal some of the damage champions deals, even when built for absolute maximum tankiness.
Who cares about general pve trash, any pet will work just fine vs those.

You that abomination in CoE that everyone skips because he butt kittens you? Yeah, my bear just sits there and tanks it while the team kills his adds and then kill it, i normally have to swap him at about 75% of the aboms health, and then can bring him back out at about 50% and he can tank the rest of it.

A few champions? That’s a kittening joke, bears have a good amount of toughness, 54k health, and then my regen ticks for nearly 320 (i think it’s at like 317 or 315 assuming i have no stacks), and and then if i decided to equip SotW just for kittens and giggles that’d give him another 500 hps, and then if i REALLY don’t want my pet to die i can throw on Natural Healing.

Bears trivialize PvE encounters EASILY, I’ve even had a few “meta” warriors comment on how trivial fights were last night while i was dungeoning with a friend or two.

I much prefer “Hambow” >.>

Not warrior. I love my piggie pets.

Durzlla.6295:

Bears trivialize PvE encounters EASILY, I’ve even had a few “meta” warriors comment on how trivial fights were last night while i was dungeoning with a friend or two.

Like the Champion risen knight in Malchor’s Leap, to name but one? There are plenty of hard hitting champs out there that rips even bears a new one.

Wow that’s sad. Why would anyone be happy about beating a champion by just sitting back? It’s not even a measure of skill. I mean free loot and monthly achievement points so that’s something, but man I’d be ashamed of myself if I just had one pet out and let everyone do everything else for me. How do you even look yourself in the mirror? The funny part is people want even more buffs to ranger pets. It literally can’t get any easier in PvE than to equip a bear and a longbow. Aggro magnet equals free gathering, free loot bags and free res when you do something stupid so it reinforces bad play and champ train ignorance. It’s like a subculture of who can game the system the most but it just really makes you inept in other forms of play. It’s kind of how like people that use hacks get so spoiled by them that they can’t fight without them.

You have people trying to rep ranger in WvW and PvP in need of real game-changing buffs and builds, but PvE bearbows get their needs met first, hence a lack new traits that really stand out. I mean any more substantial buffs to the class and it becomes too strong. But I’m sorry, Bearbow makes PvE a joke along with a lot of other tanky ranger pets and the current longbow. If I chose them as my first profession in PvE, I’d be where a lot of the “buff pets more pls” rangers are right now: not knowing anything but wanting to be as “good” as other professions are.

The only person I’ve ever wanted to kick from my dungeon run was a bearbow and not because of their chosen profession or pet, but because they understood NOTHING about how to actually play and wanted things to be as easy as Open World PvE is. They literally screwed up the entire time and it wasn’t a speed clear or anything. I’ve gotten to know the names of some long-suffering, quality rangers in this subforum but honestly I don’t know how you all can even humor some of the bearbow posts. I guess blame Anet for the design decisions, but now they are in a pickle because if they nerf ranger pets, they have to deal with “I’m gonna quit and report you to the BBB” and stuff like that. Okay I’m done ranting but honestly OP I’m glad you tried at least to intervene.

OGDeadHead.8326:

Durzlla.6295:

Bears trivialize PvE encounters EASILY, I’ve even had a few “meta” warriors comment on how trivial fights were last night while i was dungeoning with a friend or two.

Like the Champion risen knight in Malchor’s Leap, to name but one? There are plenty of hard hitting champs out there that rips even bears a new one.

Oh no, I need to hit F3 in a fight instead of just hitting F1 and forgetting I even had a pet, the absolute horrors!!

I’ve soloed that champion risen knight, all you gotta do is pull bear away when the knight goes to burninate anything in Melee range, let the knight move away from his fire and send bear back in.

Just because the bear can’t face tank it 100% of the encounter doesn’t mean the bear doesn’t trivialize it.

NOTE I just wanna state that as broken as bears are and as much as I use Beary, I would NOT be opposed to bears dropping in their tankyness and gaining some CC and/or damage as compensation.

Durzlla.6295:

OGDeadHead.8326:

Durzlla.6295:

Bears trivialize PvE encounters EASILY, I’ve even had a few “meta” warriors comment on how trivial fights were last night while i was dungeoning with a friend or two.

Like the Champion risen knight in Malchor’s Leap, to name but one? There are plenty of hard hitting champs out there that rips even bears a new one.

Oh no, I need to hit F3 in a fight instead of just hitting F1 and forgetting I even had a pet, the absolute horrors!!

I’ve soloed that champion risen knight, all you gotta do is pull bear away when the knight goes to burninate anything in Melee range, let the knight move away from his fire and send bear back in.

Just because the bear can’t face tank it 100% of the encounter doesn’t mean the bear doesn’t trivialize it.

And this is what I wanted to point out. I solo champs all the time since that’s what I like to do in when I play pve, including the one I mentioned above. I don’t need to use bears to do it, in fact I don’t need to use any pet to do it.

Bears are not immortals when it comes to face tanking anything that hits hard, that’s all I wanted to point out.

And Durz, stop trying to earn cheap points by saying things like the bolded part above, thank you.

Eh, I’ve never been the one to use bears. Or LB, really. (Although I keep both Bows around for “just-in-case” work). Jaguar/Swapout is usually my flavor, with dual-Axe and S/D. Works for my business, at least.

Durzlla.6295:

OGDeadHead.8326:

Durzlla.6295:

I’ve been running Brown Bear since his F2 got buffed to 2 condis and can say he totally trivializes fights, he’s so tanky that I literally can just hit F1 and forget about him in 99% of fights since he will just out heal anything thrown at him.

I guess the 1% where the bears doesn’t trivializes a fight includes a bunch of champions, since I would really like to see a bear outheal some of the damage champions deals, even when built for absolute maximum tankiness.
Who cares about general pve trash, any pet will work just fine vs those.

You that abomination in CoE that everyone skips because he butt kittens you? Yeah, my bear just sits there and tanks it while the team kills his adds and then kill it, i normally have to swap him at about 75% of the aboms health, and then can bring him back out at about 50% and he can tank the rest of it.

A few champions? That’s a kittening joke, bears have a good amount of toughness, 54k health, and then my regen ticks for nearly 320 (i think it’s at like 317 or 315 assuming i have no stacks), and and then if i decided to equip SotW just for kittens and giggles that’d give him another 500 hps, and then if i REALLY don’t want my pet to die i can throw on Natural Healing.

Bears trivialize PvE encounters EASILY, I’ve even had a few “meta” warriors comment on how trivial fights were last night while i was dungeoning with a friend or two.

Has basically the same mechanics as the COE abom.

If you use your dodge key you can kill it just fine, you don’t need your bear to be giving it 25 stacks of frenzy.

hendo.1940:

Durzlla.6295:

OGDeadHead.8326:

Durzlla.6295:

I’ve been running Brown Bear since his F2 got buffed to 2 condis and can say he totally trivializes fights, he’s so tanky that I literally can just hit F1 and forget about him in 99% of fights since he will just out heal anything thrown at him.

I guess the 1% where the bears doesn’t trivializes a fight includes a bunch of champions, since I would really like to see a bear outheal some of the damage champions deals, even when built for absolute maximum tankiness.
Who cares about general pve trash, any pet will work just fine vs those.

You that abomination in CoE that everyone skips because he butt kittens you? Yeah, my bear just sits there and tanks it while the team kills his adds and then kill it, i normally have to swap him at about 75% of the aboms health, and then can bring him back out at about 50% and he can tank the rest of it.

A few champions? That’s a kittening joke, bears have a good amount of toughness, 54k health, and then my regen ticks for nearly 320 (i think it’s at like 317 or 315 assuming i have no stacks), and and then if i decided to equip SotW just for kittens and giggles that’d give him another 500 hps, and then if i REALLY don’t want my pet to die i can throw on Natural Healing.

Bears trivialize PvE encounters EASILY, I’ve even had a few “meta” warriors comment on how trivial fights were last night while i was dungeoning with a friend or two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PasfQD2t_c

Has basically the same mechanics as the COE abom.

If you use your dodge key you can kill it just fine, you don’t need your bear to be giving it 25 stacks of frenzy.

I don’t NEED to, and I wouldn’t if he didn’t have 2 mobs that pull and knockdown so the Abom just kitten s you, also…. You seem to be under the impression PUGs know how to dodge anything in that fight (there’s a reason they skip it and it’s not because it’s not worth the time, the fight takes like 1min).

OGDeadHead.8326:

Durzlla.6295:

OGDeadHead.8326:

Durzlla.6295:

Bears trivialize PvE encounters EASILY, I’ve even had a few “meta” warriors comment on how trivial fights were last night while i was dungeoning with a friend or two.

Like the Champion risen knight in Malchor’s Leap, to name but one? There are plenty of hard hitting champs out there that rips even bears a new one.

Oh no, I need to hit F3 in a fight instead of just hitting F1 and forgetting I even had a pet, the absolute horrors!!

I’ve soloed that champion risen knight, all you gotta do is pull bear away when the knight goes to burninate anything in Melee range, let the knight move away from his fire and send bear back in.

Just because the bear can’t face tank it 100% of the encounter doesn’t mean the bear doesn’t trivialize it.

And this is what I wanted to point out. I solo champs all the time since that’s what I like to do in when I play pve, including the one I mentioned above. I don’t need to use bears to do it, in fact I don’t need to use any pet to do it.

Bears are not immortals when it comes to face tanking anything that hits hard, that’s all I wanted to point out.

And Durz, stop trying to earn cheap points by saying things like the bolded part above, thank you.

Oh I know you don’t need bears, I normally run a fernhound + hyenas when I’m solo in open world kitten, the reason I even brought the bear to begin with was his F2 (AoE condi removal is pretty useful) and ended up just using him more than that since he’s stupidly OP in most PvE. If there’s ever a fight where my bear would die in one hit I’ll normally disengage and just run a cat or bird instead since the bear would lose all usefulness.

Durzlla.6295:

the reason I even brought the bear to begin with was his F2 (AoE condi removal is pretty useful)

Speaking of which (going off topic here), I’m having trouble getting the brown bears F2 to work at all. I’ve used it to see the condition removal in action, but on several occasions, it haven’t removed a single condition from me. Both me and bear was in melee range. Anyone else had issues with this?

Also, could anyone check to see what’s up with the “Commanding voice” trait, whenever I use this lately, it doesn’t seem to lower cd on F2s. It may be a tooltip error, I’m not sure. Being in or out of combat doesn’t seem to make any difference either.

OGDeadHead.8326:

Durzlla.6295:

the reason I even brought the bear to begin with was his F2 (AoE condi removal is pretty useful)

Speaking of which (going off topic here), I’m having trouble getting the brown bears F2 to work at all. I’ve used it to see the condition removal in action, but on several occasions, it haven’t removed a single condition from me. Both me and bear was in melee range. Anyone else had issues with this?

Also, could anyone check to see what’s up with the “Commanding voice” trait, whenever I use this lately, it doesn’t seem to lower cd on F2s. It may be a tooltip error, I’m not sure. Being in or out of combat doesn’t seem to make any difference either.

It’s purely a tooltip error, I tested it earlier with Hyenas (with the trait you can get 3 hyenas, without trait you only get 2), and for Brown Bear I haven’t noticed him not removing condis, I have noticed that he REFUSES to use his F2 when ordered unless his target is within 600 range of him though (which should change).

Ps: sometimes brown bears will cleanse condis right as they come in, which will cause them to not even show up on you.

Durzlla.6295:

hendo.1940:

Durzlla.6295:

OGDeadHead.8326:

Durzlla.6295:

I’ve been running Brown Bear since his F2 got buffed to 2 condis and can say he totally trivializes fights, he’s so tanky that I literally can just hit F1 and forget about him in 99% of fights since he will just out heal anything thrown at him.

I guess the 1% where the bears doesn’t trivializes a fight includes a bunch of champions, since I would really like to see a bear outheal some of the damage champions deals, even when built for absolute maximum tankiness.
Who cares about general pve trash, any pet will work just fine vs those.

You that abomination in CoE that everyone skips because he butt kittens you? Yeah, my bear just sits there and tanks it while the team kills his adds and then kill it, i normally have to swap him at about 75% of the aboms health, and then can bring him back out at about 50% and he can tank the rest of it.

A few champions? That’s a kittening joke, bears have a good amount of toughness, 54k health, and then my regen ticks for nearly 320 (i think it’s at like 317 or 315 assuming i have no stacks), and and then if i decided to equip SotW just for kittens and giggles that’d give him another 500 hps, and then if i REALLY don’t want my pet to die i can throw on Natural Healing.

Bears trivialize PvE encounters EASILY, I’ve even had a few “meta” warriors comment on how trivial fights were last night while i was dungeoning with a friend or two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PasfQD2t_c

Has basically the same mechanics as the COE abom.

If you use your dodge key you can kill it just fine, you don’t need your bear to be giving it 25 stacks of frenzy.

I don’t NEED to, and I wouldn’t if he didn’t have 2 mobs that pull and knockdown so the Abom just kitten s you, also…. You seem to be under the impression PUGs know how to dodge anything in that fight (there’s a reason they skip it and it’s not because it’s not worth the time, the fight takes like 1min).

They skip it for the same reason you skip the champ wolf at the beginning, the big pack of Risen midway, and the mob of destroyers. Also the same reason you skip Kholer, etc., it’s just not worth the time to kill a boss that gives no reward even if it in fact only takes a minute. Given that a COE run takes like 10 minutes tops that extra 10% runtime adds up.

Durzlla.6295:

hendo.1940:

Durzlla.6295:

OGDeadHead.8326:

Durzlla.6295:

I’ve been running Brown Bear since his F2 got buffed to 2 condis and can say he totally trivializes fights, he’s so tanky that I literally can just hit F1 and forget about him in 99% of fights since he will just out heal anything thrown at him.

I guess the 1% where the bears doesn’t trivializes a fight includes a bunch of champions, since I would really like to see a bear outheal some of the damage champions deals, even when built for absolute maximum tankiness.
Who cares about general pve trash, any pet will work just fine vs those.

You that abomination in CoE that everyone skips because he butt kittens you? Yeah, my bear just sits there and tanks it while the team kills his adds and then kill it, i normally have to swap him at about 75% of the aboms health, and then can bring him back out at about 50% and he can tank the rest of it.

A few champions? That’s a kittening joke, bears have a good amount of toughness, 54k health, and then my regen ticks for nearly 320 (i think it’s at like 317 or 315 assuming i have no stacks), and and then if i decided to equip SotW just for kittens and giggles that’d give him another 500 hps, and then if i REALLY don’t want my pet to die i can throw on Natural Healing.

Bears trivialize PvE encounters EASILY, I’ve even had a few “meta” warriors comment on how trivial fights were last night while i was dungeoning with a friend or two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PasfQD2t_c

Has basically the same mechanics as the COE abom.

If you use your dodge key you can kill it just fine, you don’t need your bear to be giving it 25 stacks of frenzy.

I don’t NEED to, and I wouldn’t if he didn’t have 2 mobs that pull and knockdown so the Abom just kitten s you, also…. You seem to be under the impression PUGs know how to dodge anything in that fight (there’s a reason they skip it and it’s not because it’s not worth the time, the fight takes like 1min).

Honestly, you can just pull the two elites away, kill them and then kill the abomination if you want the champ bag that badly. You do not need a bear giving it 25 stacks of frenzy making it insta-gib anything it gets in to contact with.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Durzlla.6295:

hendo.1940:

Durzlla.6295:

OGDeadHead.8326:

Durzlla.6295:

I’ve been running Brown Bear since his F2 got buffed to 2 condis and can say he totally trivializes fights, he’s so tanky that I literally can just hit F1 and forget about him in 99% of fights since he will just out heal anything thrown at him.

I guess the 1% where the bears doesn’t trivializes a fight includes a bunch of champions, since I would really like to see a bear outheal some of the damage champions deals, even when built for absolute maximum tankiness.
Who cares about general pve trash, any pet will work just fine vs those.

You that abomination in CoE that everyone skips because he butt kittens you? Yeah, my bear just sits there and tanks it while the team kills his adds and then kill it, i normally have to swap him at about 75% of the aboms health, and then can bring him back out at about 50% and he can tank the rest of it.

A few champions? That’s a kittening joke, bears have a good amount of toughness, 54k health, and then my regen ticks for nearly 320 (i think it’s at like 317 or 315 assuming i have no stacks), and and then if i decided to equip SotW just for kittens and giggles that’d give him another 500 hps, and then if i REALLY don’t want my pet to die i can throw on Natural Healing.

Bears trivialize PvE encounters EASILY, I’ve even had a few “meta” warriors comment on how trivial fights were last night while i was dungeoning with a friend or two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PasfQD2t_c

Has basically the same mechanics as the COE abom.

If you use your dodge key you can kill it just fine, you don’t need your bear to be giving it 25 stacks of frenzy.

I don’t NEED to, and I wouldn’t if he didn’t have 2 mobs that pull and knockdown so the Abom just kitten s you, also…. You seem to be under the impression PUGs know how to dodge anything in that fight (there’s a reason they skip it and it’s not because it’s not worth the time, the fight takes like 1min).

They skip it for the same reason you skip the champ wolf at the beginning, the big pack of Risen midway, and the mob of destroyers. Also the same reason you skip Kholer, etc., it’s just not worth the time to kill a boss that gives no reward even if it in fact only takes a minute. Given that a COE run takes like 10 minutes tops that extra 10% runtime adds up.

Those risen and small destroyers drop alot of T6 if you have good MF(200-300%), each worth 40-47ish silver right now & most of the time gives more than the daily chest in gold if you sell it. Its totally worth spending an extra minute it to clear them nowadays.

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The advice given in Map Chat was not bad advice. Bear + Bow in PVE does make leveling very easy. As for what is the ‘best’ or ‘worst’ build it’s really all just nothing but opinion and personal preference.

I ran Bear + Bow when I first started and eventually found combinations better for me. Personally, I think Drakes tank as good as bears but bring more DPS. Plus their tail swipe is a blast finisher inside the healing spring so that’s another plus.

If I see a Ranger running a Bear, I don’t just assume they are bad and neither should anyone else. I have had quite a few players surprise me in both positive and negative ways, you can’t just judge them by their pet or their weapon choice. People should spend more time worrying about what they are doing and less time worrying about how others play the game. A lot of good Rangers have started off using this combination and learned better methods as they played more. Nothing wrong with newer players taking the easiest path to learn a class.

I wish this game have more players with this mentality.

Every class including rangers have a lot of options stats and traits or pets. They are there for people to try and choose what makes them enjoy that class more; that’s what games are about after all. There is no meta (imo currently meta is most used to gather subscribers on youtube or to feed hungry egos) the real meta is a skilled player that knows what the situation requires.

Adonai.5071:

There is no meta (imo currently meta is most used to gather subscribers on youtube or to feed hungry egos) the real meta is a skilled player that knows what the situation requires.

Usually the only place people care what build you’re running is in a dungeon run, where the goal is to get the reward as fast as possible. In that situation, I hope you take your own advice and run the dungeon running meta build, or make groups that specifically say “I don’t care about speed” in the LFG.

Edit: Actually in PvP I care what you run as well. You can be the best player ever, but if you’re running your own messed up build, it makes the experience miserable for all of your team mates.

Basically, if you’re in a party with someone else, please run the meta. Doing your own thing or screwing around with guildies who have said they don’t mind, do whatever makes you happy.

Fluffball.8307:

Adonai.5071:

There is no meta (imo currently meta is most used to gather subscribers on youtube or to feed hungry egos) the real meta is a skilled player that knows what the situation requires.

Usually the only place people care what build you’re running is in a dungeon run, where the goal is to get the reward as fast as possible. In that situation, I hope you take your own advice and run the dungeon running meta build, or make groups that specifically say “I don’t care about speed” in the LFG.

Edit: Actually in PvP I care what you run as well. You can be the best player ever, but if you’re running your own messed up build, it makes the experience miserable for all of your team mates.

Basically, if you’re in a party with someone else, please run the meta. Doing your own thing or screwing around with guildies who have said they don’t mind, do whatever makes you happy.

Comments like this make me cringe… It’s this mindset that makes the meta stagnate, despite there being builds out there that effectively counter the meta ones. People claimed Spirit Rangers had no counters (cause in the meta there were none) and then ham bow and pistol whip started to show up.

Also, the NA meta in PvE isn’t even meta and is extremely far behind the EU one (like usual) so if you actually care about optimal meta speed runs on NA you’ll probably still do it wrong cause NA still thinks more warriors = more damage.

The meta is what it is because tens of thousands of people have discussed and tested it. It can never stagnate. Optimal builds are theorycrafted, tested, posted to the forums to be reviewed, refined.

PUGging CoF1 is not the place for you to decide running a mainhand axe is the new meta build.

As for people thinking warriors are the best source of damage, I haven’t heard that one in months. I don’t know what to tell you if you’re playing with people like that, but probably find a new group if you want a fast smooth run. Kinda weird you’d post that on a ranger forum.

Durzlla.6295:

Fluffball.8307:

Adonai.5071:

There is no meta (imo currently meta is most used to gather subscribers on youtube or to feed hungry egos) the real meta is a skilled player that knows what the situation requires.

Usually the only place people care what build you’re running is in a dungeon run, where the goal is to get the reward as fast as possible. In that situation, I hope you take your own advice and run the dungeon running meta build, or make groups that specifically say “I don’t care about speed” in the LFG.

Edit: Actually in PvP I care what you run as well. You can be the best player ever, but if you’re running your own messed up build, it makes the experience miserable for all of your team mates.

Basically, if you’re in a party with someone else, please run the meta. Doing your own thing or screwing around with guildies who have said they don’t mind, do whatever makes you happy.

Comments like this make me cringe… It’s this mindset that makes the meta stagnate, despite there being builds out there that effectively counter the meta ones. People claimed Spirit Rangers had no counters (cause in the meta there were none) and then ham bow and pistol whip started to show up.

Also, the NA meta in PvE isn’t even meta and is extremely far behind the EU one (like usual) so if you actually care about optimal meta speed runs on NA you’ll probably still do it wrong cause NA still thinks more warriors = more damage.

I highly doubt PvE meta in EU is any better than in NA.

To be fair, about once every 3 months I’ll see a LFG that says “heavies only”. That isn’t meta though, I’m not even sure what they’re trying accomplish.