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Posted by: nerva.7940

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Beastmaster themed spec that does ill burst damage. it’s actually kind of disgusting. ive ambushed guardians at 60% health with RoA up and straight up melted them before they could react (maybe they werent the “best”). survivability is excellent as well. pets are more than viable…theyre borderline OP. ensure you have 30% speed and that youre crippling/immobilizing your target before unloading (common sense).

http://gw2skills.net/editor/en/?fMAQNBMhV6EoiqgjsQLIWLDENFcSSsHGSRH6pYWq/iHKRC;ToAA1CtooyQlgKLVOqkUNi4EB

- jaguar (stealth + QZ + sick em + RaO + cripple + ??? = profit) and snow owl
- swapping pets gives you QZ on demand basically
- pets apply bleeds on critical
- shouts. theyre good. use them. Protect Me and SIck em are much better than all 3 signets (wild, hunt, stone) due to low CD. really makes all signets entirely pointless.
- tons of vigor, tons of survivability

i plan on doing PVE with this as well. pets with points in beastmastery have a lot more survivability.

pet swapping is a really interesting mechanic, and you really shouldnt be losing your pets. even in PVE (unless against boss, which is broken).

contrary to popular belief, pet AI is decent. yes, they need to stand to land their attacks, and yes they sometimes have problems turning sharp angles; but this isnt a problem as you should have some sort of speed buff on your pet at all times, and when youre unloading your burst, your target should be cripple or immobilized. if pets did not stop to attack, they would be broken OP. pets arent meant to stick to the target at all times…theyre not “DoTs”, like they were in WoW i guess. pets are meant to punish opponents that are standing still, or moving slowly (crippled, chilled). you cant juke the pet forever.

Addendum: did you know that Guard is actually very interesting? it stealths your pet for a long time and gives it a lengthy protection boon. stealth breaks when it attacks.

Ikiro – 80 Ranger
Umie – 80 Guardian
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgLbWtvtzdU0Ho0zto6VnTQ

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Posted by: racta.4250

racta.4250

This is good to hear. I’ve been looking into a beastmaster spec, as thats the way I like to play.

Can you fix the link though? doesn’t seem to be working for me.

EDIT: NM, got the link to work by copy and pasting

Does the stealth really help so much that it is better than an extra bleed?
Also do those pets hit much harder than a canine who has much better control? I personally love the fear/root and charge knockdown on the canines, it would be hard to give that up.

Racta
[Bush] – Dragonbrand

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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

Durzlla.6295

I do tPvP with a highly mobile pet build and it’s AMAZING at point defense and offense, especially against profs that aren’t very mobile (any soldier prof an most scholars) especially once my pet gets some master stacks, cause when they get well over 2k in all stats they become stronger then a player and then your opponents will truly know what fear is…

I personally run around with a canine (fern hound) as my main pet, and then I have Clucky the Moa as my secondary, because let’s face it, if my canine is getting hit hard enough for me to want to swap him, I’m gonna need all the support my pet can provide!!

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Posted by: nerva.7940

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cats do a lot more damage. they have more precision, but less toughness and vitality. canines have more control, yes, but tbh you dont really need control for this build. my ranger is pretty tanky, with lots of vigor and endurance. i like using the jag’s stealth because people dont see it coming, and it protects the pet on approach.

similarly, birds have a lot of precision and vitality, and hit very hard. the high vitality is ideal for Protect Me. owl is my favourite bird, for the chill. arguably, more viable alternatives to the jag are the lynx and snow leopard.

Ikiro – 80 Ranger
Umie – 80 Guardian
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgLbWtvtzdU0Ho0zto6VnTQ

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Posted by: Xsorus.2507

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As a Beastmaster Ranger, The single best rune you can wear in SPvP is Superior Rune of Svanir, same with WvW..

Basically it insures you’ll kill most of the people you get in a 1v1 with that are heavy burst classes… Warriors/Rogues for example will die because of it.

They teleport on top of you, unleash their load, and then you go immune, at which point you pop stealth on your Jag and QZ and watch your pet rip them apart in about 3 seconds…

That’s right, while immune you can issue commands to your pet, and pop abilities, you just can’t attack.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Xsorus/videos?view=0
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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

Durzlla.6295

Idk what your build is, you need to fix your link, but all pets do around the same damage area, and then you have some that do more, and some that do less, the cats and birds are in the more, where bears are in less, canines and drakes chill in the middle, having both a lot of tankyness and damage.

PS: don’t waste your jags stealth on the approach use it after he gets to his target because attack from stealth doesn’t break it for him, in addition all his attacks crit from stealth.

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As a Beastmaster Ranger, The single best rune you can wear in SPvP is Superior Rune of Svanir, same with WvW..

Basically it insures you’ll kill most of the people you get in a 1v1 with that are heavy burst classes… Warriors/Rogues for example will die because of it.

They teleport on top of you, unleash their load, and then you go immune, at which point you pop stealth on your Jag and QZ and watch your pet rip them apart in about 3 seconds…

That’s right, while immune you can issue commands to your pet, and pop abilities, you just can’t attack.

Or you can not be super squishy and just survive through their burst, heal for yoir healthbar and bend them over…

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As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna

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Posted by: ImagoX.4718

ImagoX.4718

I’m not sure how you’re playing this build, sorry… Are you starting with the bow for the Crippling Shot and speed burst from Quick Shot, then Shouting to Sick ‘Em and wading in with the Sword/Horn? Pre-stealthing and Guarding the Jaguar? I’m having trouble imagining the combat flow.

FYI – Copy->Paste the URL in the OP into a new browser tab to see the build.

Good post – thanks for sharing! I’m just wanting more info…

EDIT: I assume this build works in sPvP at any level since you get auto-leveled for that playtype? I’m intrigued by this as a potential PvE build as well – I’ll let you know how it goes. My toon is currently lvl.33 and has all the needed skills but one or two, which can pick up quickly.

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Posted by: nerva.7940

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Idk what your build is, you need to fix your link, but all pets do around the same damage area

not really, cats and birds do significantly more damage than, say, canines and bears. probably 20-30% more. and copy-paste the link into browser…not sure why i cant get it to work from OP.

the rune of svanir suggestion is interesting, but youre giving up additional 5% damage and lots of precision. i dont think it’s worth it.

thanks for the feedback guys.

Ikiro – 80 Ranger
Umie – 80 Guardian
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgLbWtvtzdU0Ho0zto6VnTQ

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Posted by: nerva.7940

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Pre-stealthing and Guarding the Jaguar? I’m having trouble imagining the combat flow.

sure. i pre-stealth the jaguar so the opponent doesnt see him (you still can, but it’s hard if youre distracted). as someone mentioned, you can also stealth it in the middle of combat, but i dont see the purpose in that because pets are generally not focused in pvp – there’s too much other stuff going on.

i have to admit, i often dont open with sword/horn…i mostly use the horn just to get around. if i really cant shake someone, i’ll switch to this set and pounce on them with my pet.

it’s a burst build so just pop all your CD’s when your pet is next to the target (RaO should be up all the time when it’s off CD), and at about 30% health, use SB’s #5 to interrupt the heal animation…most of the time, the target will die before casting the second time.

im leveling with this build in PVE, i’ll let you know how it goes. right now, it’s really micro-intesive, but my pets are squishy and im only lvl 15. i can imagine cats failing against bosses and hard hitting veterans/champs. you’d really have to read the mob’s animation and withdraw/switch the pet. fortunately, with this spec, pet switching CD is rather low. the bird is a fantastic alternative because it has high vitality and precision.

Ikiro – 80 Ranger
Umie – 80 Guardian
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgLbWtvtzdU0Ho0zto6VnTQ

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Posted by: nldixon.8514

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Please don’t confuse people. Pets are good against dummies, that’s all. Thank you.

Not true. Pets can be very effective in PvP, especially ranged pets.

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Posted by: nerva.7940

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Please don’t confuse people. Pets are good against dummies, that’s all. Thank you.

just trying to help out those who wanna use their pets in pvp. for now, i’ll take your comment as a baseless opinion, because from my experience in spvp and tpvp, pets work just fine.

Ikiro – 80 Ranger
Umie – 80 Guardian
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgLbWtvtzdU0Ho0zto6VnTQ

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Posted by: nerva.7940

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ive started putting together a vid. should be done in a few days, will update soon.

Ikiro – 80 Ranger
Umie – 80 Guardian
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgLbWtvtzdU0Ho0zto6VnTQ

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Posted by: racta.4250

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Just wanted to drop in and say thanks for the idea for this build. Been leveling from 70-78 last couple days using it and I’m having a blast. I love the idea of pet damage, and with the right snares + pet speed my little kitty and pup are dishing out some serious numbers.

I’m focusing on hitting 80 soon, then I’ll try out WvWvW and spvp with the spec and report back. So far though, I’m very excited.

Racta
[Bush] – Dragonbrand

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Posted by: MeTx.6712

MeTx.6712

Too bad you can’t use sick em and protect me at the same time

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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

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Well now that i’ve seen the build (and can see just how bursty it is designed) i’m gonna have to say i’m not much of a fan… i’m sure it works granted, but burst builds just have so many flaws it’s ridiculous, it’s pretty much a “Can you outlive my burst? Oh kitten you can, well i’m kittened…” sort of thing…

Well 2 major things about the build i just flat out don’t understand…
1) why in the world would you take runes of the ranger? I mean sure, the 5% damage and the crit are nice but really? You’d think you’d use rage or something for how offensive your builds supposed to be, and since you have warhorn you’d keep that 5% damage increase and your damage overall would just flat out sky rocket.

2) Why soldiers? if you’re going for a more bursty/damage build go with knights, the vit will give you plenty of survivability seeing as how you have quite a bit of toughness from wilderness survival, and it gives you more crit, and the fact you took ranger runes to begin with means that you want a crit build, so more crit = more damage for you.

3) Still don’t see why you want to stealth your jaguar BEFORE he closes the gap, no one will even care that your pet is running to them because everyone is under the illusion that pets hit like wet noodles (oh how wrong they are lol), plus once you hit F2 in combat, your pet stealths causing ALL OF HIS ATTACKS TO CRIT, and since you have Pet Prowess… lets just say they wont live long enough to see him come back out of stealth…

They sing dark, delicious notes about power and family.
As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna