Guild Wars 2

So I have been tinkering around with burst with my ranger only using the longbow and the great sword but for this post I am going to focus solely on the longbow.

So here’s the trait build I use.

Traits

Marksmanship : 30 I, X, XI
Skirmishing: 25 II, X
Wilderness Survival: 5
Nature Magic: 10 VI

Skills

Now for my skills I rock Quickening Zephyr, Signet of Stone, Signet of the Wild and for my Elite skill rampage as one.

Gear

For gear it is all power precision and crit damage. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT. I use 6 Superior Rune of strength. My bow is Eir’s Longbow for the stats and the amazing rune that has a 30% chance on crit to chill for 2 seconds.

Pet

Jungle Stalker, Snow Owl

What I do to dominate other players in pvp is stack might effectively as well as using my signets to increase damage. I have a rotation that usually stacks a large amount of damage.

1. Use Jungle Stalker activated skill which will give you 5 stacks of might.
2. Use Rampage as One, Pet will begin to stack might while you gain stability fury and swiftness.
3. Wait to gain might then use Signet of the Wild to grow and gain damage.
4. Use quickening zephyr and drop down a barrage on enemy. This will cripple as well as likely add a chill with Eir’s Bow. A sigil that has a chance for quickness is also effective ( Barrage can tick for 1.5 to 2k if crits)
5. Hunter’s shot to add vulnerability
6. RAPID FIRE ( I have seen rapid fire tick for 12.5 k before and remember because of quickening zephyr this happens in about 4 seconds)
7. Greatsword if close.

This rotation has been able to down players in a few seconds. Its just a recomended burst build for pvp.

The defensive capabilites of this build are limited but with the active ability of the signet of stone you will be able to resist incoming damage for 6 seconds. And with the traits all signets that effect pets will also effect you adding more buffs. Another trait will add some protection if hit for more 20% of your health which helps for thief bursts.

EDIT: I have now switched from greatsword to shortbow. With this combo at the end of rotation I now add bleeds and poisons from the shortbow while using the auto attack to do consistent damage. The same build applies the shortbow just allows me to kite and evade while keeping consistent damage up while waiting to do another burst rotation.

My main is a ranger and i don’t think it’s a very good build first of all all those activated skills you mentioned have very long animations/triggers, which in pvp will be the death of you, and only after that you say to rapid fire for your main source of damage … that’s easily countered without any sort of stun/immobilize to keep them grounded while you take your time and shoot.

I find a shortbow and the axe/torch or warhorn build a lot more useful.

Just my two cents.

now what amulet to you run with?

Jordan Barber.2015:

now what amulet to you run with?

It cleary berseker ammulet

And this “burst” build is more of a one trick pony
Probably work in WvWvW vs a zerg

Pretty sure the OP is referring to WvW when he says PvP:

My bow is Eir’s Longbow for the stats

Longbow is great for WvW. It’s pretty awful for sPvP. It’s hard to have a conversation about a build unless we’re clear on where it’s being used.

Im sorry yes this is mainly a WvW build but i have had some sucess in spvp with it. For WvW the extra damage on the barrage mows down crowds. But even 1 on 1 its still effective. I admit after the burst you dont have too much left but it does the job. I do agree with most the shortbow is better for 1v1 but suprisingly this build works well with shortbow if you rearrange the traits to suit it.

And once again, when people talk about about maximising their burst dps they completely forget that 5 points into beastmastery for the quickness trait.

The reason I did not but it into beast mastery is to get the protection if an enemy takes 20% percent of your health in one hit. This is to help counter thief mesmer or warrior burst. Also the move quickening zephyr is much better and you want to keep a single pet out for rampage as one to stack might properly. The jungle stalker can use his active to give might and his attacks do very good damage while he stacks might on you. That is why i did not put those points into beastmastery.

Five. Measly. Points.

Of which you can drop the silly 5 points into wilderness survival or skirmishing to get a far better trait.

1) You can use Zephyr’s Speed with Quickening Zephyr. One really ill-conceived point of yours debunked
2) Rampage As One has a long cooldown. Pets also die all the time in WvW, I am surprised you even state something like that. Even so, just use Zephyr’s Speed when RAO is down. Is something that simple so hard to understand?

In the end, it boils down to two things:
1) You have insufficient understanding and knowledge about rangers.
2) You just hate people disagreeing with you and pointing out facts that deflate your ego and prove that you are wrong.

Either of which case results in a fail on your part, and discredits your past, present and future statements.

From what I understand of the trait I only get a speed boost when I switch pets which destroys the rotation I looked into it and it didnt seem to be beneficial.

Rangers longbow in general sucks, it needs some changes, but I also use a very similar build and I have hit people for 14k-17k rapid fires. Problem is its a 1 trick pony, I use a wolf tho, not a jungle stalker, Im gonna try that. Never done WvW but I hear its the realm of rangers so Im gonna start doing that since longbow rangers are kinda crap in Spvp.

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Rangers longbow in general sucks, it needs some changes, but I also use a very similar build and I have hit people for 14k-17k rapid fires. Problem is its a 1 trick pony, I use a wolf tho, not a jungle stalker, Im gonna try that. Never done WvW but I hear its the realm of rangers so Im gonna start doing that since longbow rangers are kinda crap in Spvp.

The shortbow really makes up for when the burst is on cooldown. Thats why i decided to switch to it since the greatsword is not all it was built up to be from beta. Also this build will get another boost when the ability where we turn large and gain stability and damage actually gives us the extra damage.

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Dante Dragonhand.2538:

Rangers longbow in general sucks, it needs some changes, but I also use a very similar build and I have hit people for 14k-17k rapid fires. Problem is its a 1 trick pony, I use a wolf tho, not a jungle stalker, Im gonna try that. Never done WvW but I hear its the realm of rangers so Im gonna start doing that since longbow rangers are kinda crap in Spvp.

The shortbow really makes up for when the burst is on cooldown. Thats why i decided to switch to it since the greatsword is not all it was built up to be from beta. Also this build will get another boost when the ability where we turn large and gain stability and damage actually gives us the extra damage.

Yea but some of us dont wanna use shortbow. My problem is shortbow is a condition/cc wep, and I feel in sPvP I have to use GS for its utility and escape mechanics. I will admit Ive never tried shortbow on the side as a secondary weapon so it might be good but my problem lies with the longbow itself, shortbow shouldnt hit harder.

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Rangers longbow in general sucks, it needs some changes, but I also use a very similar build and I have hit people for 14k-17k rapid fires. Problem is its a 1 trick pony, I use a wolf tho, not a jungle stalker, Im gonna try that. Never done WvW but I hear its the realm of rangers so Im gonna start doing that since longbow rangers are kinda crap in Spvp.

The shortbow really makes up for when the burst is on cooldown. Thats why i decided to switch to it since the greatsword is not all it was built up to be from beta. Also this build will get another boost when the ability where we turn large and gain stability and damage actually gives us the extra damage.

Yea but some of us dont wanna use shortbow. My problem is shortbow is a condition/cc wep, and I feel in sPvP I have to use GS for its utility and escape mechanics. I will admit Ive never tried shortbow on the side as a secondary weapon so it might be good but my problem lies with the longbow itself, shortbow shouldnt hit harder.

I agree it is messed up that the shortbow can hit harder than a longbow but i think someone on a forum said which i agree with every time i have to use my greatsword in pvp i always end up dead. I tried a new formula with longbow/shortbow and it worked for me but i still keep my greatsword on hand just in case.

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Dante Dragonhand.2538:

Rangers longbow in general sucks, it needs some changes, but I also use a very similar build and I have hit people for 14k-17k rapid fires. Problem is its a 1 trick pony, I use a wolf tho, not a jungle stalker, Im gonna try that. Never done WvW but I hear its the realm of rangers so Im gonna start doing that since longbow rangers are kinda crap in Spvp.

The shortbow really makes up for when the burst is on cooldown. Thats why i decided to switch to it since the greatsword is not all it was built up to be from beta. Also this build will get another boost when the ability where we turn large and gain stability and damage actually gives us the extra damage.

Yea but some of us dont wanna use shortbow. My problem is shortbow is a condition/cc wep, and I feel in sPvP I have to use GS for its utility and escape mechanics. I will admit Ive never tried shortbow on the side as a secondary weapon so it might be good but my problem lies with the longbow itself, shortbow shouldnt hit harder.

I agree it is messed up that the shortbow can hit harder than a longbow but i think someone on a forum said which i agree with every time i have to use my greatsword in pvp i always end up dead. I tried a new formula with longbow/shortbow and it worked for me but i still keep my greatsword on hand just in case.

Hmm, I think Im gonna try it. When I use GS in pvp I use it for escaping, here is how I use it, blow my load on someone then if they get close and dodges are gone I switch to GS and use counterattack, knock them back, swoop and then hiltbash, or I knock them back, untarget turn around and swoop away. Its great defensively if used right, but I could always use more damage, and if shortbow can do that then Ill definitely try it.

Dante Dragonhand.2538:

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Dante Dragonhand.2538:

Rangers longbow in general sucks, it needs some changes, but I also use a very similar build and I have hit people for 14k-17k rapid fires. Problem is its a 1 trick pony, I use a wolf tho, not a jungle stalker, Im gonna try that. Never done WvW but I hear its the realm of rangers so Im gonna start doing that since longbow rangers are kinda crap in Spvp.

The shortbow really makes up for when the burst is on cooldown. Thats why i decided to switch to it since the greatsword is not all it was built up to be from beta. Also this build will get another boost when the ability where we turn large and gain stability and damage actually gives us the extra damage.

Yea but some of us dont wanna use shortbow. My problem is shortbow is a condition/cc wep, and I feel in sPvP I have to use GS for its utility and escape mechanics. I will admit Ive never tried shortbow on the side as a secondary weapon so it might be good but my problem lies with the longbow itself, shortbow shouldnt hit harder.

I agree it is messed up that the shortbow can hit harder than a longbow but i think someone on a forum said which i agree with every time i have to use my greatsword in pvp i always end up dead. I tried a new formula with longbow/shortbow and it worked for me but i still keep my greatsword on hand just in case.

Hmm, I think Im gonna try it. When I use GS in pvp I use it for escaping, here is how I use it, blow my load on someone then if they get close and dodges are gone I switch to GS and use counterattack, knock them back, swoop and then hiltbash, or I knock them back, untarget turn around and swoop away. Its great defensively if used right, but I could always use more damage, and if shortbow can do that then Ill definitely try it.

What is nice is shortbow has cripples and quickshot which the shot itself gives you a speed boost and makes you jump backwards to put distance between you and the target. also “blow my load on someone” is the funniest thing i read on these forums all week.

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Dante Dragonhand.2538:

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Dante Dragonhand.2538:

Rangers longbow in general sucks, it needs some changes, but I also use a very similar build and I have hit people for 14k-17k rapid fires. Problem is its a 1 trick pony, I use a wolf tho, not a jungle stalker, Im gonna try that. Never done WvW but I hear its the realm of rangers so Im gonna start doing that since longbow rangers are kinda crap in Spvp.

The shortbow really makes up for when the burst is on cooldown. Thats why i decided to switch to it since the greatsword is not all it was built up to be from beta. Also this build will get another boost when the ability where we turn large and gain stability and damage actually gives us the extra damage.

Yea but some of us dont wanna use shortbow. My problem is shortbow is a condition/cc wep, and I feel in sPvP I have to use GS for its utility and escape mechanics. I will admit Ive never tried shortbow on the side as a secondary weapon so it might be good but my problem lies with the longbow itself, shortbow shouldnt hit harder.

I agree it is messed up that the shortbow can hit harder than a longbow but i think someone on a forum said which i agree with every time i have to use my greatsword in pvp i always end up dead. I tried a new formula with longbow/shortbow and it worked for me but i still keep my greatsword on hand just in case.

Hmm, I think Im gonna try it. When I use GS in pvp I use it for escaping, here is how I use it, blow my load on someone then if they get close and dodges are gone I switch to GS and use counterattack, knock them back, swoop and then hiltbash, or I knock them back, untarget turn around and swoop away. Its great defensively if used right, but I could always use more damage, and if shortbow can do that then Ill definitely try it.

What is nice is shortbow has cripples and quickshot which the shot itself gives you a speed boost and makes you jump backwards to put distance between you and the target. also “blow my load on someone” is the funniest thing i read on these forums all week.

In a very real sense its true, I pop my cds ( signet of wild, RaO, pet ability ) and depending on who I hit they take kittens of damage, problem is I can only do it once every 2 minutes which iskitten and I miss out on piercing arrows which is omgawd amazing, I get sick of clones and pets eating my arrows. I play both guardian and ranger in pvp and guardian far outshines ranger in every way. No guardians are not op, but guardians are balanced where as ranger is underhwelming atm. They need to give longbow a massive redesign, Id love to see rapid fire changed into something like kill shot, its frustrating seeing me fire 10 arrows for 5 secs and only half of them hitting because lol longbow arrows are slow as kitten and when they dont miss they get phantom obstructions. I want a sniper not a tickler, and I really dont wanna play a beffy rifle warrior to get my sniper fetish, bows are awesome.

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Dante Dragonhand.2538:

Rangers longbow in general sucks, it needs some changes, but I also use a very similar build and I have hit people for 14k-17k rapid fires. Problem is its a 1 trick pony, I use a wolf tho, not a jungle stalker, Im gonna try that. Never done WvW but I hear its the realm of rangers so Im gonna start doing that since longbow rangers are kinda crap in Spvp.

The shortbow really makes up for when the burst is on cooldown. Thats why i decided to switch to it since the greatsword is not all it was built up to be from beta. Also this build will get another boost when the ability where we turn large and gain stability and damage actually gives us the extra damage.

Yea but some of us dont wanna use shortbow. My problem is shortbow is a condition/cc wep, and I feel in sPvP I have to use GS for its utility and escape mechanics. I will admit Ive never tried shortbow on the side as a secondary weapon so it might be good but my problem lies with the longbow itself, shortbow shouldnt hit harder.

I agree it is messed up that the shortbow can hit harder than a longbow but i think someone on a forum said which i agree with every time i have to use my greatsword in pvp i always end up dead. I tried a new formula with longbow/shortbow and it worked for me but i still keep my greatsword on hand just in case.

Hmm, I think Im gonna try it. When I use GS in pvp I use it for escaping, here is how I use it, blow my load on someone then if they get close and dodges are gone I switch to GS and use counterattack, knock them back, swoop and then hiltbash, or I knock them back, untarget turn around and swoop away. Its great defensively if used right, but I could always use more damage, and if shortbow can do that then Ill definitely try it.

What is nice is shortbow has cripples and quickshot which the shot itself gives you a speed boost and makes you jump backwards to put distance between you and the target. also “blow my load on someone” is the funniest thing i read on these forums all week.

In a very real sense its true, I pop my cds ( signet of wild, RaO, pet ability ) and depending on who I hit they take kittens of damage, problem is I can only do it once every 2 minutes which iskitten and I miss out on piercing arrows which is omgawd amazing, I get sick of clones and pets eating my arrows. I play both guardian and ranger in pvp and guardian far outshines ranger in every way. No guardians are not op, but guardians are balanced where as ranger is underhwelming atm. They need to give longbow a massive redesign, Id love to see rapid fire changed into something like kill shot, its frustrating seeing me fire 10 arrows for 5 secs and only half of them hitting because lol longbow arrows are slow as kitten and when they dont miss they get phantom obstructions. I want a sniper not a tickler, and I really dont wanna play a beffy rifle warrior to get my sniper fetish, bows are awesome.

EXACTLY. I want a high damage range option thats garbage in close to make it fair. I always thought it would be cool if the ranger had rifles. But definitely the longbow needs to be redesigned with higher damage big crits in mind. But make it have severe damage penalties in close. The big hits are just not there and rapid fire is 10 not 1 so that is not really a big hit.

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Rangers longbow in general sucks, it needs some changes, but I also use a very similar build and I have hit people for 14k-17k rapid fires. Problem is its a 1 trick pony, I use a wolf tho, not a jungle stalker, Im gonna try that. Never done WvW but I hear its the realm of rangers so Im gonna start doing that since longbow rangers are kinda crap in Spvp.

The shortbow really makes up for when the burst is on cooldown. Thats why i decided to switch to it since the greatsword is not all it was built up to be from beta. Also this build will get another boost when the ability where we turn large and gain stability and damage actually gives us the extra damage.

Yea but some of us dont wanna use shortbow. My problem is shortbow is a condition/cc wep, and I feel in sPvP I have to use GS for its utility and escape mechanics. I will admit Ive never tried shortbow on the side as a secondary weapon so it might be good but my problem lies with the longbow itself, shortbow shouldnt hit harder.

I agree it is messed up that the shortbow can hit harder than a longbow but i think someone on a forum said which i agree with every time i have to use my greatsword in pvp i always end up dead. I tried a new formula with longbow/shortbow and it worked for me but i still keep my greatsword on hand just in case.

Hmm, I think Im gonna try it. When I use GS in pvp I use it for escaping, here is how I use it, blow my load on someone then if they get close and dodges are gone I switch to GS and use counterattack, knock them back, swoop and then hiltbash, or I knock them back, untarget turn around and swoop away. Its great defensively if used right, but I could always use more damage, and if shortbow can do that then Ill definitely try it.

What is nice is shortbow has cripples and quickshot which the shot itself gives you a speed boost and makes you jump backwards to put distance between you and the target. also “blow my load on someone” is the funniest thing i read on these forums all week.

In a very real sense its true, I pop my cds ( signet of wild, RaO, pet ability ) and depending on who I hit they take kittens of damage, problem is I can only do it once every 2 minutes which iskitten and I miss out on piercing arrows which is omgawd amazing, I get sick of clones and pets eating my arrows. I play both guardian and ranger in pvp and guardian far outshines ranger in every way. No guardians are not op, but guardians are balanced where as ranger is underhwelming atm. They need to give longbow a massive redesign, Id love to see rapid fire changed into something like kill shot, its frustrating seeing me fire 10 arrows for 5 secs and only half of them hitting because lol longbow arrows are slow as kitten and when they dont miss they get phantom obstructions. I want a sniper not a tickler, and I really dont wanna play a beffy rifle warrior to get my sniper fetish, bows are awesome.

EXACTLY. I want a high damage range option thats garbage in close to make it fair. I always thought it would be cool if the ranger had rifles. But definitely the longbow needs to be redesigned with higher damage big crits in mind. But make it have severe damage penalties in close. The big hits are just not there and rapid fire is 10 not 1 so that is not really a big hit.

Atm Id gladly swap out rangers longbow for rifle, problem is I love bows, not guns. But rifle warrior is the only sniper in the game atm, sure ranger has 1500 range which is amazing but when we lack the offensive power to actually do anything besides pester from that range it becomes moot. I made a topic called Longbow rangers, you should read it and tell me what you think. In all honesty, the only reason Im still playing my ranger instead of lvling rifle warrior is because I love the medium armor in this game, and I love bows over guns, thats about it.

“Blow my load on someone” is pretty funny. I lol’d at that too.

Have any of you guys tried the defensive builds yet?

About GS, hopefully, they’ll improve them some in the future. There’s nothing like the unsaid statement about bringing in an oversized sword to a fight and the “oh crap” factor of it, asthetically speaking of course.