Guild Wars 2

i’m talking about PvP/WvW
That hp pool it’s too low. With the actual damage from other players that pet will instadie from any AA chain random AoE.

Someone at Anet forgot they did not fixed the pets AI and they still stands while soaking in damage, and they are very unreliable with any fast moving target, and anybody with speed signet (+25%) qualifies for fast moving target.

That pet has even less hp pool than a glass cannon ranger, and does much less damage. So please: same HP pool as PvE (26K) or at least 20K HP pool is needed for an extremely stationary pet. If it wont move while AoE or have any kind of damage mitigation this pet is as good as dead.

For more info: REV sword AA chain in Clerics does 2K – 2K – 5K. Pet almost dead in a second.

*they have same hp/toughness as devourers with an additional 300 power.

• Devourers are pretty tough but weak on the dmg.
• Spiders got more hp but much less toughness.

I’m pretty sure they are now balanced with the other ranged pets.
But I will try being helpful wrather than sarcastic, don’t stand on top of ranged pets and they will not get cleaved down in small fighting formats as easily.

Justine.6351:

*they have same hp/toughness as devourers with an additional 300 power.

• Devourers are pretty tough but weak on the dmg.
• Spiders got more hp but much less toughness.

I’m pretty sure they are now balanced with the other ranged pets.
But I will try being helpful wrather than sarcastic, don’t stand on top of ranged pets and they will not get cleaved down in small fighting formats as easily.

Justine that’s not right:

At level 80, juvenile bristleback pets have the following default attributes:

Power Power 1,718
Precision Precision 1,374
Toughness Toughness 2,748
Vitality Vitality 2,061
Ferocity Ferocity 0
Healing Power Healing Power 0
Condition Damage Condition Damage 1,000
Agony Resistance Agony Resistance 0

At level 80, juvenile carrion devourer pets have the following default attributes:

Power Power 1,524
Precision Precision 1,524
Toughness Toughness 2,898
Vitality Vitality 2,211
Ferocity Ferocity 0
Healing Power Healing Power 0
Condition Damage Condition Damage 1,000
Agony Resistance Agony Resistance 0

devourers have more HP ,are more tough and do more crits.
bristleback has less hp than the birds.

Also don’t forget the knockback and the Devourer Retreat that are active defenses.

Bristleback doesn’t have anything like that, so the cleave on that pet is real, the 16HP lowest of all pets with no other means of defense.

Really the one that had the brilliant idea of nerf the HP of this pet hat much without any fix in AI to make the pet at least avoid melee/AoE t should not be doing that job.

Not because this mess but because it shows a completely disregard for their costumers , a completely lack of professionalism and shown no capacity to do his job.

Wiki is outdated on the Bristleback stats. In game, Bristlebacks and Devourers have equal toughness, vitality, and precision. Wiki is pretty outdated on a lot of stuff concerning Druid on a whole.

Edit: Bristleback stats on the wiki were taken from the reveal during Twitchcon/BWE3.

devourer
power: 1524
precision: 1524
toughness: 2898
vitality: 2211

Bristleback
power: 1868
precision: 1524
toughness: 2898
vitality: 2211

Spider
power: 1524
precision: 1524
toughness: 1524
vitality: 3585

I got those while in wvw, and checked them in spvp (same). I do not know what those wiki numbers are from. Maybe just outdated.

oh and infact, birds have the same hp as devourer/bristleback, with spider toughness (1524)

theyre ranged, do alot of damage, so yeah 16k hp is fine

It was obvious that this was going to get nerfed. Let’s rejoice that they did not nerf it in pve too…

Justine.6351:

devourer
power: 1524
precision: 1524
toughness: 2898
vitality: 2211

Bristleback
power: 1868
precision: 1524
toughness: 2898
vitality: 2211

Spider
power: 1524
precision: 1524
toughness: 1524
vitality: 3585

I got those while in wvw, and checked them in spvp (same). I do not know what those wiki numbers are from. Maybe just outdated.

oh and infact, birds have the same hp as devourer/bristleback, with spider toughness (1524)

Yeah i checked today and the wiki is wrong.

Still doesn’t invalidate my other points:

• The devourer has 2 defensive skills: the knockback and the tunneling under the ground.
• The birds can cast their F2 with a really short CD (hawk and eagle) .

In any case still think 16K hp is just a joke, a pet you can kill in a one second flat because it doesn’t avoid some damage it’s not something useful. There is a reason why you can’t see many rangers with devourers in pvp (or birds if it’s not for their F2)

The base health in PvP-WvW should be the same as in PvE at least. When Anet improve the Ai to be able to avoid at least some damage then i’ll agree for the 16K HP .

But right now keep nerfing the pets when they do up 40% of our real damage (when the pet hit consistently) so they spend all the time dead is not a solution.

My kittening pets keep constantly dying and can’t kill a target anymore, considering they do 40% of our dmg they shouldnt be able to be killed in pvp

I use brown bear. It can live for more than 10 seconds. Sometimes.

LegallyBinding.4937:

I use brown bear. It can live for more than 10 seconds. Sometimes.

use black bear, that aoe weakness will save its life and yours !

Bristleback is trash tier for me now. I use Protect Me, so a squishy pet is suicide.

I’m still keeping Smokescale and now use Brown Bear as secondary pet, which at least comes with some extra condi removal and his F2 was fixed (he uses it where he is standing rather than getting into range of the opponent first).

However, In PvE land, Bristleback enemies are very tanky, so did they get their hp halved as well?

Holland.9351:

However, In PvE land, Bristleback enemies are very tanky, so did they get their hp halved as well?

They have toughness. Running hybrid with bleed spike they drop ok for me.
Do recall that pets are juveniles of pve foes.

Holland.9351:

However, In PvE land, Bristleback enemies are very tanky, so did they get their hp halved as well?

Yes. They can actually die within a reasonable time now. And hit you upslope, unlike before.
They feel slightly harder than smokeskales to fight now (thinking of fighting 2 veterans at once), could be a matter of practise though.

Everything brings PBAoE in PvP now, so your only options are Drakes, Wyvern and Bears.

Those Pansy DH noobs can press a few buttons to AoE kill you and both your pets, so there is no point in taking any pet that can’t survive that. It’s hard enough for you to run away from a DH, your pet will get slaughtered.

it was not a nerf it was a bug fixing, i even made a post about it before the patch https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/bear-and-bristleback-pets-stats-discrepancy/first#post5775094

on the bristleback status screen it is show that it has less than half the vit rating of a bear pet, however as you can see in the screenshot it still have even slighty more hp than bear pre patch