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Posted by: Kjeldoran.3849

Kjeldoran.3849

Disclaimer
The following thread is only theorycrafting . At moment i haven’t that build and i’ve not tested and all that i’m going to say is only based on the math behind gw2. Don’t post off topic comments; this thread is about “bunker” and “condition” gameplay. If you are interested comment if you are not leave this thread or i’ll report any aggressive post.

Hello fellow rangers,
today i want to talk with you about a question i had, few weeks ago, in the guardian forum: is possible to get 0 damage?
Obviously that’s impossible but my is still the same: get 0 damage per second
If you think that this is impossible then give a good look to the following math and you will find that optimizing defense is easier than you may think.

Before to start i want to say that this isn’t, still, a build or a guide since these are only few calculation i did in these days… but as soon as possible (after testing) i’ll trasform this thread in a guide/build if the conclusion is positive.

1. Defense, health, condition.
First of all is important to point out that to get maximum defense we can’t point all on toughness (due to the bad scale) and we need to get damage reduction from skill/combo/boon/trait combined with high health regen. To play as a bunker will never save you unless you are able to deal a low but sustained damage and the only “kind of damage” we get while going bunker is condition damage.

2. Zero damage, how?
Ok, “zero damage” is only a symbolic name because you will always get damage but at the end of the second your health will be full; that’s what zero damage means.
The common damage formula in gw2 is the following one:
damage = ((power * skill coefficient * weapon damage)/armor) * (1 -x -y -z)
where x, y and z are damage reduction.

As you can understand the damage is a product between 2 fractions and the only way to get 0 as result is to get x+y+z=1 but this is impossible. So the only way to get “zero damage” is to make our heal per second to cover that “damage” per second we get;
it is not so hard.

3. Regen, Prot, Reduction.
As the most of you can imagine the build is based on regeneration, protection and damage reduction effects . Regen because it well scales with healing power (0.125 * healing power) and we get a 33% boost on duration (with a common +95% boon build it’s 128% regen duration!). Protection is a great damage reduction (a good 6 sec every 10 sec of protection is almost perma prot). And the damage reduction comes from our bark skin trait… yes bark skin! It may seems that to get it at 25% hp is an hard choice but it means that when you reach 25% you may not be killed… really.

4. The starting of a build…
Ok, here you go if you want to have a direct view of what the build will look like:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQBMSU1V5XBaHIaPyU/PPrghcPGVpOFA-j0ABlhRr6KslXBJEATA-w

regeneration:
129 sec of regen every 60 sec -> 215% regen uptime
protection:
5.75 sec every 10 sec -> 0.58% uptime (without use skills and works like a passive prot gain)
damage reduction:
bark skin -> -30% damage at 25% hp
frost armor -> -10% damage for 5 sec

5. Does healing power scales better than toughness?
Of course, it does. So the most important thing (for now… i’ll explain better late) is better to get a cap of 2900-3000 armor and then aim on healing power… anyway apothecary seems to be the best choice for now… but i’ll work more on this.

Healing spring: 4920 + (1.0 * healing power)
Water Field + Leap Finisher: 1320 + (0.2 * healing power)
Regeneration: 130 + (0.125 * healing power) per sec
Spirit of Nature: 480 per sec

6. First conclusions
This will be a really hard to use build because you have to manage defense and offense while good timing both… learn when to raise your defense up to 0 damage and when to attack. While common builds have the “offensive burst” this build is based on "defensive burst which lead us up on a (skill damage/armor) * (0. 27%)=damage which is really… really low; now we only need to get damage… i’m working on. In the meanwhile i’ll be really happy to listen your suggestions and thoughts about the concept itself of “zero damage” … do you think you will never this kind of build? Damage is better than defense? maybe… or maybe not… what do you think?

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Posted by: Kjeldoran.3849

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reserved for updates …

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Posted by: Kjeldoran.3849

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reserved for updates …

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Posted by: Kjeldoran.3849

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reserved for updates …

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Posted by: Shirk.6421

Shirk.6421

Speaking about PvP?
I already tried it, even that bark skin and protection work together (63% dmg reduction!!) it doesn’t work. In theory, yes. But if you play it, nope… you die, you die quicker as you think.
The problem is the lack of controlabe cc, the pressure on you will get critically high, and trying to survive with under 25% of health is another thing…
The condition-removal keeps in most situations more dmg off you than Bark Skin does.

(edited by Shirk.6421)

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Posted by: Wombat.3510

Wombat.3510

This is my PvP bunker setup. I like the idea of the spirit for protection but I don’t think there would be enough damage to put pressure on anyone. I agree with Shirk – condition removal is better than bark skin in this meta.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQJATVjAVF29VKWs2Bi1DC5nB1ekp+jJXB/D-ToAgzCmIuRdj7GzNybs3M+Y9B

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Posted by: Kjeldoran.3849

Kjeldoran.3849

hey, thank you for feedback.
Yes, i’m talking about pvp because a bunker build is quite useless in pve…
From what i’ve learned with guardian tests i can say that protection, trait and frost armor scales additively this mean that we can reach -73% damage.
Also i want to keep up this damage reduction as most as possible and i think that the best way to do so i to use sword/warhorn as off set; what does this means?
frost trap + WH 5# + Sword 2# = 8 sec frost armor every 30 sec… now i only need to test if frost armor duration scales with boon duration…

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Posted by: Kjeldoran.3849

Kjeldoran.3849

update
ok sorry guys but due to upcoming news i’ll wait to continue with this project and i just started to work on a “pet power build” or “BM power build” and i’m just working on “how each 1 point in bm can improve our damage/defense/tactics” it’s really a long work so for now i can’t continue this project maybe i’ll start it again later… for now it would be better if a moderator can close this thread. thank you.

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Posted by: Bambula.3649

Bambula.3649

just look in the forum, their are some tables and on the english wiki also good informations about that

Orga for [WUMS]

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Posted by: Ryan.9387

Ryan.9387

You forgot weakness as a damage reduction. 50% dmg from 50% of hits is very significant.

Ranger | Elementalist

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Posted by: F I R S T.3976

F I R S T.3976

i like your formula, i am the exact opposite of your build which is pretty common nowadays. i do believe that there is a huge potential in what you’re doing. good luck with this work in progress

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Posted by: Prysin.8542

Prysin.8542

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNAR8XnIVUFcgFGWwaZAZVYPaP0EL58cPQFPJEB-jEyAofBZCSgoPwZvioxWZLiGryGT9SEVb9LiWtUACqMC-w

i’d rather bunker properly. And get so much damage that it would be laughable to try fight me… also, sic’em for “anti thief” once the update hits the servers this week, or the next patch.

Lv 80 Guard, Ranger, Ele, Thief, warr, engi
Currently @ some T1 server in EU