Guild Wars 2

I won’t have a whole lot of free time in the future, and I probably won’t continue to play this game much if at all either.

I honestly can’t push myself into playing this class any longer…Just so much wrong with the class currently, and honestly….playing harder for less result is never fun in any game.

Our pet system is just put together in such a terrible way that honestly baffles me..Cause so many games have came out in the past few years with actual good pet systems. Yet this game releases honestly one of the poorest pet systems i’ve seen in an MMO to date. What makes it worse is the fact that large amounts of what utility we have has been tied to this pet system and we’re left with such a mediocre class.

The Devs know this, They’ve came onto this forum month’s ago and said they know we have problems, Hell they even outlined some of the problems.

Signets/Shouts/Spirits.

That was in what? November? What has been done for those lines since then?

Signets, We received speed increase on Signet of the Hunt, along with every other class with the same Signet.

None of our other Signets were touched, When Jon Peters made that post did he just mean Signet of the Hunt was terrible? Or He just knew we had signets and took a wild guess if they sucked or not?

Shouts, What has been improved on them? Guard was improved till it was gutted again last patch…. So that shout is back to being useless again…and while i’m sure some random guy will come into this thread and say “Well gee, I use Guard all the time..Its the most amazing ability ever for making my pet stand off in the corner so he doesn’t die to a random fart from the boss mob!”. The Vast majority of us dropped it when its only useful feature was removed.

Sick’Em was really the only other buff, and I really want to like Sick’em, but wasting a utility on a ability that is tied to my pet who’s lets be frank..Couldn’t catch a legless sloth… isn’t exactly the best thing ever. Throw in the fact that if you do anything..It bloody cancels the buff for your pet, making it worthless half the time.

Protect Me should just titled Kill half my DPS

Search and Rescue should just titled Please Res the NPC 2 feet to the left who’s going to die 3 seconds later

Spirits….Not only did they not improve spirits at all to be useful to anyone…They went a head and gutted Guardians version of Spirits at the same time..While talking about how they didn’t want to do that to another class a week before they did it…

What has really been improved in the past few month’s?

Some underwater abilities that most of us don’t use at all? Don’t get me wrong..Thank you for improving my ability to shoot for 200 damage a pop underwater instead of 50…But yea…. I don’t think that’d work.

I will give them a small amount of Credit on Greatsword being buffed, as they’ve actually tried to improve it each patch…But really all they’re doing is trying to bring it back up to where it was in Beta slowly…

If you love playing the ranger, Continue to play it, Don’t let my opinion of the class change it for you.

All I ask is for the love of god level up another toon to 80 and play it…Trust me when I say its an eye opener on how flawed this class is.

I laughed sadly to myself while I read this…

Sorry to hear.

I did just get another character to 80 last night…a Warrior. I much prefer the Ranger so far in roaming WvW. Especially since warriors are one of my main food groups. I got pummeled by a Ranger when on my warrior. Not even sure I hit him.

Edit: Might be an idea to roll a Mesmer. The majority of people I find solo out in WvW are Mesmers. Weird. Anet trolling us again with the things Mesmers can do.

Same here. I hust can’t believe that they behave this way with their customers. With us. With rangers. I don’t want to play the game which is hostile for my class preference. I don’t want to count days till the next patch to be disappointed…no….embarassed again. I don’t want to play any other class. They’ve already deleted my message where I advised everybody to reroll, so I will repeat again – REROLL. Run from this flawed class.

C’mon, Anet. Delete this message again – I don’t care. That is the only thing you’re good at.

Kaos.9162:

I laughed sadly to myself while I read this…

Ditto

Don’t forget the quickness nerf, It didn’t only affect Mezmers, took away a good deal of my Rangers DPS. (not that it was great anyway). Glad I have a Guardian to play. Think its about time to salvage some Ranger gear and reroll the character.

Sad to see you go Xsorus, your posts have been a wealth of information on how to get the best out of what is the Ranger class.

I still enjoy Ranger, and still have some success with my offbeat build. But I am also tired of dealing with too many usless slot skills and the often subpar pet.

I’ll be working on a Guard mainly for now, returning to my Ranger occasionally. I was amazed at the ease with which a level 5 guard could surf a zerg in comparison to my level 80 Ranger. I do miss how fast the Ranger can cover long distances with GS and signet speed boost, but that doesn’t help ikittenerg one bit.

Quite frankly I am probably backbenching my ranger too. I totally agree with your post.

Honestly, loved working with the underdog profession and was excited for this new update until I read the quickness nerf. My power ranger build revolved around quickness for burst damage and quick stomps. I’m done with my ranger and am so happy I made a guardian not long ago (a profession that didn’t get kitten by this update). This quickness nerf essentially killed any chance a ranger could have a power build, further destroying build diversity. Thanks devs, thanks…

Yeah my ranger is done for now too, which is sad since I had invested SO much time and gold into my character with the hope every month that things would be changed.

On a slightly more positive note, guardian seems to be not that bad of a class, so if anyone is thinking of re-rolling that is a nice class to look into, but I might just be done with the game in general for a while

Good thing I’ve got my mesmer.

Just got my warrior to lvl 80 recently. I can stack 25 bleeds easily that tick almost 150 while dealing average direct damage.

Been thinking along the same lines for the past couple of days as well. But after this last patch too, I may be taking a final look at my ranger before perma-stowing it away for good. Sad, been with it from the start only for the idea behind it, the beastmaster way…but sadly it’s not going anywhere.

Sorry you came to the decision of calling it quits for good Xsorus. Your input has almost always been among my favourite reads on the Ranger forums. A loss for the community indeed.

Hey guys, hope you actually follow through with your words!

Countless times I’ve seen people post “I’m leaving,” only to come back a month later and make another “I’m leaving” post with a new patch. Anet has metrics that track classes being played, I’m 100% positive. And look at Engies, I believe they are the lowest population and have had lots of attention recently.

Seriously. Posting I quit Rangers in the forum is like the most useless thing to do. I refuse to do it, there’s absolutely no point. Turn your words into action people. Just stop playing a Ranger if you’re truly dissatisfied with the class. No amount of whining on the forums will change anything.

Ursan.7846:

Anet has metrics that track classes being played, I’m 100% positive.

Speaking of things tangible…link please?

Pedra.4381:

Speaking of things tangible…link please?

They provided us with charts showing the class distribution early in game. They also have shown us neat things like player activity heat maps.

I’d be SHOCKED if they somehow couldn’t translate that into actual classes being active and being played.

Links:
Class distribution:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/john-smith-on-the-state-of-the-guild-wars-2-economy/

Player activity heat map:
https://twitter.com/mkerstein/status/170659741574496256/photo/1/large

Ursan.7846:

I’d be SHOCKED if they somehow couldn’t translate that into actual classes being active and being played.

Ok, I apologize for being convoluted and unclear in my request. I’ll rephrase…link please?

Please answer in light of my signature.

Edit: In response to your posted links after I had quoted you. If their metrics actually tracked things of importance then I find it AMAZING that Rangers went from class most in need of improvement to apparently overwhelmingly in need of nerfs with no substantive changes to account for that progression.

you know is time to reroll when you are having more trouble than fun. My mesmer do more damage with GS auto attack than my ranger with all the skills combined, and my mesmer have condition gear lol. Now with the QZ nerf it will probably be a lot worse.

Honestly there is no reason to play ranger, its been far too long and no significant update to rangers, only nerfs.

Pedra.4381:

If their metrics actually tracked things of importance then I find it AMAZING that Rangers went from class most in need of improvement to apparently overwhelmingly in need of nerfs with no substantive changes to account for that progression.

Well.

What do you consider important metrics to track? What if they do track it, and the results aren’t what you expect? What if they interpret the data differently, or just have differing visions of the Ranger class?

I’m playing devil’s advocate here, but all of it is possible. What’s clear though, is your opinion clash with theirs. Fine. Quit playing Rangers, that is the clearest message you can send to them. If enough people decided to up and stop playing Rangers, they WILL notice.

Its not just the Quickness nerf, and honestly the Quickness Nerf doesn’t actually have much of an affect on me as I didn’t use it a whole lot in the first place.

however each patch I see them pecking away at the different features of the class while not doing a whole lot to improve it.

Look at the improvements we’ve gotten since the start of the year.

Look at the nerfs, Guard/Empathetic Bond/quickness…All 3 of those hurt our class in some way that out weighed what we received in return.

Hell the EB nerf alone was brutal…

Now I’d say if Jon had came in Feb and made his original statements, I might consider still playing ….

However Jon came last year..and nothing has come from it, only more crap rained down from up high.

Look at the Engineer Changes this patch…They received in this one patch then we’ve received in the entire time since release.

Now i’m happy for them…But if we’re considered the crappiest class by Jons standards..Why are we continuing to eat brutal nerfs to our class with new icons to show for it.

edit

Its also not hard to figure out why we were played so much.

Because this game had a HUGE bot problem at the start, and Rangers make the best bots quite honestly…

Come to the Necro Xsorus! You know you want too :P.

Bas.7406:

Come to the Necro Xsorus! You know you want too :P.

If I still had time to play a lot, I would actually finish working on the Necro, as I wanted to Minion Necro video (Yes I’m a masochist)

Xsorus.2507:

Bas.7406:

Come to the Necro Xsorus! You know you want too :P.

If I still had time to play a lot, I would actually finish working on the Necro, as I wanted to Minion Necro video (Yes I’m a masochist)

I am actually going to do a few Minion videos, I will let you know when they are up. Minions are ridiculously powerful when specced right. I wiped out a glamour mes until you figured out how to shatter them all at the same time. Minions are my favorite utility, but they have the same issues that ranger pets do except with a slightly more delayed response time. ;p. However you do get essentially a permanent cripple.

Ursan.7846:

Regardless, I think I’ve deviated enough from the “original” point of my point, which is to LET YOURSELF BE HEARD, not by posting in here, but actually acting in-game!

I concur with this sentiment. But, I have one final question. Don’t you think ArenaNet owes us an explanation if their view of the Ranger has substantively changed from what we were last officially told?

Bas.7406:

Xsorus.2507:

Bas.7406:

Come to the Necro Xsorus! You know you want too :P.

If I still had time to play a lot, I would actually finish working on the Necro, as I wanted to Minion Necro video (Yes I’m a masochist)

I am actually going to do a few Minion videos, I will let you know when they are up. Minions are ridiculously powerful when specced right. I wiped out a glamour mes until you figured out how to shatter them all at the same time. Minions are my favorite utility, but they have the same issues that ranger pets do except with a slightly more delayed response time. ;p. However you do get essentially a permanent cripple.

I’ve actually wanted to see some good PvP videos of Minion Mancers, so if you do make some, please send me a link to it.. cause i actually do want to watch it.

Did the same about a month ago, sad times for all with this patch.

I’ll point out another example of something that bugs me about the Ranger class.

Signets, and their use abilities.

Every class in the game has Signets I believe except Engineer’s….Every class with Signet’s when they use a Signet they get the benefit directly on themselves usually, or it does something to the enemy.

However we as a class whenever we use a Signet it only does something for our pet. We have to invest 30 points into our Power line to get the ability to have it work on us as well.

Now some might say “Well if it worked on both of us, It’d be sort of overpowered because its working on 2 people”

However..Take this into account.

Our classes damage has be lowered to make up for the fact that we do have a pet. So whenever you’re using a Signet without that talent, You’re basically using an ability that only has an effect on HALF your damage…You’re getting less bang for your buck basically then every other class.

Then also doesn’t take into account things like Recharge time, We have the longest recharge on our Signets compared to every other class.

So Signets are actually less effective on this class then most other classes.

I generaly dont post in “im leaving” threads. But i agree with everything u have said.

I went into WvW today to do the things i enjoy on a class i used to enjoy.
I ended up following an enemy zerg and pew pewing a lone warrior right at the tail of the zerg. I was behind him for 2 minutes shooting him in the back with a SB and never got him below 50%.
I was DOT specced so i changed my build and armor to my usual power/prec. I went out and got my 25 stacks of power up before finding a solo Guardian. He didnt even attack me, he just showed me his back and ran to where his zerg was attacking our tower.
I followed him the whole way and couldn’t even get close to killing him before he reached his zerg – switched to hammer – kicked my kitten #8230;. i had to CC him and run with 20%HP from a 6sec encounter. While i was shooting him non stop for 20-30 sec and couldnt dent him…………………………………..
The realy sad part is that my pet didnt even get a single attack in during either of these encounters

Too bad anet is too kittening arrogant.

Avathor, ranger, signing out.

Xsorus.2507:

I’ll point out another example of something that bugs me about the Ranger class.

Signets, and their use abilities.

Every class in the game has Signets I believe except Engineer’s….Every class with Signet’s when they use a Signet they get the benefit directly on themselves usually, or it does something to the enemy.

However we as a class whenever we use a Signet it only does something for our pet. We have to invest 30 points into our Power line to get the ability to have it work on us as well.

Now some might say “Well if it worked on both of us, It’d be sort of overpowered because its working on 2 people”

However..Take this into account.

Our classes damage has be lowered to make up for the fact that we do have a pet. So whenever you’re using a Signet without that talent, You’re basically using an ability that only has an effect on HALF your damage…You’re getting less bang for your buck basically then every other class.

Then also doesn’t take into account things like Recharge time, We have the longest recharge on our Signets compared to every other class.

So Signets are actually less effective on this class then most other classes.

This is part of a general problem with traited/untraited version of skills. If you think about it, when you balance an untraited skill you have to make it so that when you trait it doesn’t become too strong. The reality is that when you use an untraited version, you are using a kitten version of the same skill.

Of course the signets are the most blatant example because the untraited version goes only to our pet that has lots of problems.

I’m signing out my ranger as well. Can’t Play With Dead Ranger.

The so called ‘nerfs’ to the class have never really touched me at all, and seem to actually be fixing bugs more than anything. But they really DO need to buff us somehow, I don’t care if that means changing the ratio between pet and player damage so the player does more, increasing the GS damage (which really needs it), or making so the sigils effect the player without the trait. We need buffs to keep us on track with other classes, because as of right now, the only two setups that really seem to work are the bunker builds, and the trap builds.

Sorry to hear you’re going. I became inactive sometime January headed into February myself, but I still watched all your videos.

To my general statement, it is time to call this game exactly what it is; a complete and total design failure in comparison to the first Guild Wars. However we went to having pets be worse in GW2 than in GW1 absolutely astonishes me, along with the levels of balance that were maintained across the metagame.

7 months in and you are still adjusting MECHANICS (quickness says hi)? You know, the things that the game run and function on? What was the point of even having the beta if we are still having the same exact blanket issues that were there SINCE beta?

I could have done so much better with my $60 than this game, and it really is a shame. One day ANet might apologize to the rest of us for making us pay to playtest a product for them. But by that time I doubt I will even be checking the website anymore.

I feel really bad for you guys as an Engineer, but in all honesty Jon Sharp doesn’t understand WvW. He’s trapped in this sPvP which most people do not play. Lol he gave turrets a bunch of buffs but they still die in under a second and targeting is terrible.

One bit of advise is to look at the changes they have made to condition duration. Now its possible to reach 100% condition duration.

Indoles.1467:

Honestly, loved working with the underdog profession and was excited for this new update until I read the quickness nerf. My power ranger build revolved around quickness for burst damage and quick stomps. I’m done with my ranger and am so happy I made a guardian not long ago (a profession that didn’t get kitten by this update). This quickness nerf essentially killed any chance a ranger could have a power build, further destroying build diversity. Thanks devs, thanks…

^ This

Each update I got the feeling that the ranger gor cornered into a “summoner playstyle” : U send your pet, hope it connects (which doesn’t happen most of the time) and assist him with some condition dmg….It’s fine but it’s not what i was hoping for both “ranger” and build diversity…

Also, Xsorus is Totally right about other professions… Atm i’m leveling a thief and a mesmer and aside from the fact that they already do WAY more dmg at lvl 3x, while having higher survavibility, i’m still looking for something that they don’t do better than the ranger

Xsorus.2507:

Look at the Engineer Changes this patch…They received in this one patch then we’ve received in the entire time since release.

Yeah just look at the changes Euck. I feel sorry for my poor kit refinements, they horrifically mangled one of my favorite traits to the point were I don’t believe it is even worth taking anymore.

On the Ranger thing, I feel Quickness needed the Nerf. It will fix a lot of major issues in the game. However it really hurts Rangers, especially seeing as it doesn’t seem to have actually had the duration increased at all on Quickening Zephyr and the Pet Change quickness isn’t even going to be changed.

Other than that, they fixed AR and some pet health issues which were 2 things Robert said he had approached them about. I wasn’t expecting much more as even if Robert did bring stuff to them that would help a lot it might not have had the time to get into the Patch. So extreme Warrior burst has been heavily dulled, Time Warp has been slowed down, but might make it easier for other classes to get a look in on things like CoF.

Thank you Anet for destroying us rangers psychologically!

I was playing the ranger from day one, and the last month patch got me so enraged i made a guardian(lvled him and fully equiped him the first day). I play a different game now Came back on my ranger yesterday to check on maul buff and counted 3 bugs until i got the chance to use it… back to the shelve!

What a shame to see you go Xsorus!

Undoubtedly one of the better Rangers in this game. Thanx for all your informative posts and vids. I’ve learned a lot by watching your Youtube channel.

godspeed

./off to buy some exotics for mah warrior alt main

It’s just a game.

Yup, u have right – that’s just a game. But u put real time into it, u put ur money when u bought this game. It’s normall that ppl wants to get some attention from Anet, as they are customers. They want some answer for their questions, like “why class which they play get no attention from developers?”. That’s not a bad thing.

Anyway, that’s a big lost to Rangers community not to have you in it, Xsorus. Your movies actually make me to create Ranger and play it as my main. Now I lost hope if that class is going to be buffed/rework ever.

Also thinking about reroll to another character. Luckly I didnt buy precursor for Dreamer :P

Chopps.5047:

It’s just a game.

Free game? No. Period.

Geshque.1326:

Chopps.5047:

It’s just a game.

Free game? No. Period.

Not only did Xsorus spend money, he spent time. A great deal of which he used to help others with builds and such for a class that has now let him down enough he feels he has to quit it. Sure it’s just a game, but it’s also time and money.

Having spent 2331 hours playing myself, my main being a guardian (1498 hours) with a legendary.. if this (what happened to ranger) is what became of my main class, I’d be pretty kitten annoyed too. Luckily for me I’ve only put in 430 hours on my ranger.

Different classes will be better at different parts of the game , its only natural . Having said that , unresponsive pets have nothing to do with balance , because taking control away from the player is never a good thing .

What i am trying to say is this , balance comes and goes as the meta develops , but responsiveness is a must in any game , hence making pets more reliable should take top priority , even if the raw numbers need to be taken down a notch .

Until then, i will continue to play my ranger and do quite well in all parts of the game , but still scream at my stupid Kuroneko for missing moving targets sometimes

Played nothin but ranger right from early access but this last patch on top of the horsekitten I had to listen to about all the love for the other classes in “the state of the game” video was the last straw.
Rollin with the engineer from now on.
Wasting chumps with the flamethrower/tanky build while screaming BURRRNN! is a ton of fun.

swiftpaw.6397:

Geshque.1326:

Chopps.5047:

It’s just a game.

Free game? No. Period.

Not only did Xsorus spend money, he spent time. A great deal of which he used to help others with builds and such for a class that has now let him down enough he feels he has to quit it. Sure it’s just a game, but it’s also time and money.

Having spent 2331 hours playing myself, my main being a guardian (1498 hours) with a legendary.. if this (what happened to ranger) is what became of my class, I’d be pretty kitten annoyed too.

Annoyed is a pretty mild term compared to what most rangers feel, which is pretty much overwhelming disappointment and lack of any hope for their future enjoyment of the game.
It isn’t just rangers right now though, the entire community seems pretty disappointed. I mean, you don’t make a major mechanic change 7 months into a game. You do that type of thing prelaunch, or beta at the latest. It screams unfinished product.
What ANet did is essentially this: they sold us a car with a lawnmower engine, that we thought was going to be a finished car. Then, they acknowledged we needed a real engine and began sending it to us 1 part at a time, and every time we receive a part, they take away a different feature of the car, like the axles or the wheels or the steering wheel, etc. By the time we finally get the engine, there will no longer be a car left.

I mean, it’s pretty bad when I want a pre-empathic bond nerf ranger back, because that doesn’t even mean I get more build diversity, it means that we would be better off in the stagnant position we were in 2 months ago than the position we are in now, which doesn’t say much for the future of the game.

Plain and simple, things cannot keep getting gutted without adding anything significant. The equation is not balancing. The player base is not increasing, the interest of current players is not being renewed.
The game dug its own grave the moment it was released and devs decided that instead of fixing bugs and issues people had, they would release new content instead.

You mean that boring live story that nobody cares? Yes, they release new crappy content every month and dont forget to add smthing to the TP. The grave becomes just deeper.

Geshque.1326:

You mean that boring live story that nobody cares? Yes, they release new crappy content every month and dont forget to add smthing to the TP. The grave becomes just deeper.

Sorry, my whole post wasn’t directed entirely at you, I tend to go off on tangents the more I talk about guild wars 2 (imagine that) lol.

But responding entirely to this quote, YES, EXACTLY what the problem is. There are issues with the game, but instead of fixing them, ANet keeps trying to go “hey, look over here, shiny object, shiny object” and then when it doesn’t work on some people and its effects wear off on the rest, THEY TRY TO DO IT AGAIN.

It baffles me that so many people are letting ANet slip casually by with trying to bribe us into enjoying the game instead of fixing the game to let people actually enjoy it. It doesn’t matter what monster gets killed if the mechanic doing it is always broken.

jcbroe.4329:

Geshque.1326:

You mean that boring live story that nobody cares? Yes, they release new crappy content every month and dont forget to add smthing to the TP. The grave becomes just deeper.

Sorry, my whole post wasn’t directed entirely at you, I tend to go off on tangents the more I talk about guild wars 2 (imagine that) lol.

But responding entirely to this quote, YES, EXACTLY what the problem is. There are issues with the game, but instead of fixing them, ANet keeps trying to go “hey, look over here, shiny object, shiny object” and then when it doesn’t work on some people and its effects wear off on the rest, THEY TRY TO DO IT AGAIN.

It baffles me that so many people are letting ANet slip casually by with trying to bribe us into enjoying the game instead of fixing the game to let people actually enjoy it. It doesn’t matter what monster gets killed if the mechanic doing it is always broken.

TBH I wouldn’t mind the new content if it meant new skins. (and many of them too) the ones you get through black lion chests RNG are non existent imo.

As it is, it’s just lackluster and there’s no real reason to participate in it. Probably would prefer they focus the class balancing properly first.

Sorry to hear it Xsorus, you are one of the better theory crafters here and with you throwing in the towel the community is that much poorer for it.

ANet is justifying a game with only 3-4 functional classes with their actions. I would have thought the squeeky wheel gets the grease but Devs seemed to have all but phased out the squeeking on the Ranger forums.

To continue the on the Ranger is to accept we are the Red Headed Step Child of this game and not to expect anything going forward…kinda sad actually because from a Theme perspective the Ranger looks so much fun on paper, just doesnt play the way it looks….

This is coming from a guy that was very supportive of the class when other dumped on it, that was 3 patches ago…..we are no better off now than we were in December…each step forward has come with a discreet step backwards…net gain ZERO