Guild Wars 2

I saw this line in aion ranger wiki page, that line caught my eyes with Excitement
; “Chase me or run away. Either way, you’ll only die tired” I love it!!
I wish we Rangers had this entitlement as well, “Chase me or run away. Either way, you’ll only die tired”

Link;
http://aion.wikia.com/wiki/Ranger

It continues, “The Ranger excels at long range burst type dps and is exclusively considered a dps class. While Rangers do have a variety of skills that provide debuffs and snares on a target, the main focus of the class is to inflict high damage very quickly from afar.
To aid in this focus, Rangers also have a variety of survival skills and traps that can keep enemies at bay and allow for the Ranger to quickly put distance between them and their target. Once at optimal distance, the Rangers then burst their target down quickly and efficiently. While Rangers do have the ability to use melee weapons such as a dagger or sword (and have minimal skills to match), their main power comes from the use of a bow, as a Ranger can keep a target snared indefinitely and also has a chance to stun a target on each critical bow attack”

I also would like these to be included to our class in the upcoming patches; hopefully because as Rangers we Deserve it.

My attention is not to compare these two mmo’s

I Strongly Believe that the Ranger class has many
Great Potentials to stand out; to the other classes, to anyone including our adversaries.

Alas, it all lies in the hand of Arenenet, if they choose to do so and to make it a reality for this class.

We deserve to be a class “to be reckon with”

To be honest, the Ranger in Aion is very fun prof to play, however it wouldn’t work in GW2 because it can’t do anything but kill stuff and some snares, which are 2 things rangers can already do.

I do wish we had a trait where our ranged attacks had a % chance (maybe make it like 50% with a 30s CD or something) to stun the enemy, tack it onto the Remorseless trait in Marksmanship or something, it’d give some nice synergy in our trait lines.

“The Ranger excels"……. I stopped reading right there……………

Solid Gold.9310:

“The Ranger excels"……. I stopped reading right there……………

The guy was quoting something from Aion; relax.

Chopps.5047:

Solid Gold.9310:

“The Ranger excels"……. I stopped reading right there……………

The guy was quoting something from Aion; relax.

Didn’t ArenaNet say a similar thing in their desciption of the Ranger……

“Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.”

“Unparalleled archers” What happened, my great sword does far more damage than my bows !

And I’m sure the difference between my hitting you with an arrow and slashing you with a greatsword in real life would be the same as well.

Being an unparalleled archer doesn’t mean you break the mold when it comes to ranged dps vs melee dps.

If there is a class that can kite extremely well in GW2, it’s the Ranger.

Sebrent.3625:

And I’m sure the difference between my hitting you with an arrow and slashing you with a greatsword in real life would be the same as well.

Being an unparalleled archer doesn’t mean you break the mold when it comes to ranged dps vs melee dps.

If there is a class that can kite extremely well in GW2, it’s the Ranger.

In real life I could down you with an English Longbow up to 150 yards, long before you got to me with that clumsy Greatsword. I’d even be able to punch through any armor you wore. If I happened to miss you, unlikely, but miracles happen, I could easily outmaneuver you because of the weight you carry, vs the weight I’m carrying.

Now lets get back to the “in game” discussion. Actually the best class for kiting, if that is your intentions is the Elementalist, though the Engineer is quite good at it too, but with everyone having access to range weapons, a smart player is not going to get kited. The only exception is the Guardian, who has the worst ranged weapons in the game.

un·par·al·leled
[uhn-par-uh-leld]

adjective
not paralleled; unequaled or unmatched; peerless; unprecedented: unparalleled athletic ability.

Sebrent.3625:

And I’m sure the difference between my hitting you with an arrow and slashing you with a greatsword in real life would be the same as well.

Being an unparalleled archer doesn’t mean you break the mold when it comes to ranged dps vs melee dps.

If there is a class that can kite extremely well in GW2, it’s the Ranger.

Yeah whatever…………… yeah we can kite well, but then it’s easy to kite with any ranged weapon, difficult kiting when your a couple of feet away from your opponent.

Elementalist is kiting how? Through being fast? Okay :-)

Ranger is kiting via pet, chills, cripples, immobilizes, traps, muddy terrain … and we’re fast.

English longbow is going to pierce me. I could possibly still keep moving. Greatsword is going to sever body parts.

Both are deadly and one has an advantage of range, however I don’t think we should have melee dropping people in less than 2 seconds (except thieves, of course, because they should be able to burst bunkers, lol).

Sebrent.3625:

Elementalist is kiting how? Through being fast? Okay :-)

Ranger is kiting via pet, chills, cripples, immobilizes, traps, muddy terrain … and we’re fast.

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English longbow is going to pierce me. I could possibly still keep moving. Greatsword is going to sever body parts.

Both are deadly and one has an advantage of range, however I don’t think we should have melee dropping people in less than 2 seconds (except thieves, of course, because they should be able to burst bunkers, lol).

As someone who has played kiting classes since EQ1 Druid/Necromancer I’ll point out key things you should consider before making such a claim. Speed is a huge factor in kiting, all things being equal, not to mention based off weapon set;

Chilled
- Freezing Gust
- Frost Aura
- Frost Fan
- Frozen Burst
- Frozen Ground

Traits that apply chilled.
Elemental Surge = Upon casting arcane spell while attuned to water.
Soothing Wave = Applied while in Mist Form, or Vapor Form.

Traits that make chilled virtually usless against an Elementalist once you factor in Runes, and Food that reduce duration. Geomancer’s Freedom. This is key when you consider one kiter, against another.

Cripple
- Churning Earth
- Ring of Earth
- Unsteady Ground
- Debris Tornado
- Fiery Whirl w/Gsword
- Glyph of Elemental Power

Immobilize
- Magnetic Grasp
- Shockwave
- Signet of Earth

And I don’t have to rely on a buggy pet, that can not cure itself if I choose to apply anything to it.

@Ladylad if you really want to take into account EVERY access to movement impairing conditions (IE can’t have them all in one build) against the ranger YOU WILL LOSE, because you know, not like we don’t have access to immobs through pet, or KDs, or KBs, or fear…

PS: since when do d/d eles -kite- people? That’s like saying a dagger necro has an immob for kiting…

Saying that you’re going to use your pet to apply immobility or fear or knockdown is nice, right up to the point it gets chilled, or immobilized, or just outrun…or misses.

First off, I played EQ1 as well. I know about kiting.

Second, your lists include several dagger skills from the ele … as well as staff. There are two problems with this.

• As stated, dagger+dagger elementalists don’t kite well due to their range
• Elementalists can’t take multiple weapon sets.

Third, the Ranger’s pet was only one of the many options I listed at the Ranger’s disposal for kiting.

Honestly, if you’re having trouble kiting with a ranger, it’s a l2 kitten ue … and I don’t throw l2p around often.

Semil.8279:

Saying that you’re going to use your pet to apply immobility or fear or knockdown is nice, right up to the point it gets chilled, or immobilized, or just outrun…or misses.

Or you know, I use a spider, those kittens are accurate….

And before you use that fairy tail excuse of “oh ill just weave back and forth and dodge them” well that’s all fine and dandy until I pounce on you sword and dagger in hand and you end up unable to run from anything… Because hey, if you’re dumb enough to chill or immob my pet then I don’t have to worry about not being able to peel out of their with hornet sting + monarchs leap.

Decent point about them targeting the pet instead of your, Durz. However, just as Ele’s aren’t going to kite with their daggers, Rangers are not going to kite with their sword ;-)

I stopped reading at Aion. That game is so unbelievably fail. Making characters so small that a vertically challenged person would call them midgets, running around at rediculous speeds doing nothing but stun locking other people to death.

Someone gets the jump on ya, you might as well just go take a bio break.

Using maxed pvp gear that buffs you against other players and using it in the pve environment against people wearing the pve gear they happen to come across as they level.

To get the max gear for your current level, you have to spend 5+ hours per day for at least two months. Having to kill yourself over and over for 20 min straight just to reset your xp and prevent leveling. After all, if you allowed yourself to level, all that time spent grinding to get the top gear for your current level would be obsolete as you would have out leveled it.

Or how about having to get 2k+ of each ingredient (8+ ingredients) to actually get the top craftable gear. Since you have a low % of success to proc the higher end version of what you are making. You then have to get enough of those higher end versions because they become ingredients themselves which gives a small % chance to proc the higher end of what your are now making. Do this through 3 or 4 tiers to end up with just one of what you are trying to get.

So it’s like 10% chance to proc and 3 teirs to get through….

It takes an average of 5 amount of 5 things.

5000
5000
5000
5000
5000

That is 25k individual items (eg. 1 ingot of iron = 1 item)

This is to make 1000 of the first item in the hope that at 10% you get 100 higher quality. These 100 higher quality then become an ingredients (you then have to grind 3 or 4 more ingredients at amounts of like 10 or more to add to each crafted item to make the next teir). Out of these 100, at 10%, you hope to get 10 of the higher quality of the second teir. You hope for 10 so that at 10% success rate, you hope to get that 1 top quality at top teir item.

When Aion was as old as GW2 is now, it was already going through server merges.

Between the excessive multi hour grind just for a single chance at a poor RNG game, and the people exploiting the xp loss punishment system to twink out their character at the max level for the lowest level pvp zone and then jumping through the portals into the other faction’s zone to beat on other players trying to level. The whole game is just fail. It encouraged online bullying (griefing). I spit on the developers of that game.

Sebrent.3625:

Decent point about them targeting the pet instead of your, Durz. However, just as Ele’s aren’t going to kite with their daggers, Rangers are not going to kite with their sword ;-)

Meh I could go axe/dagger with the same result, that and there’d be no way in hell they’d catch me if I had an axe/dagger and offhand training… Mix that with 2 spider pets, intimidation training, some condi duration, malice training (50%condi duration from pet) spike/frost trap/muddy terrain/stone spirit/ LR and all I can say is good kittening luck catching me.

Durzlla.6295:

@Ladylad if you really want to take into account EVERY access to movement impairing conditions (IE can’t have them all in one build) against the ranger YOU WILL LOSE, because you know, not like we don’t have access to immobs through pet, or KDs, or KBs, or fear…

PS: since when do d/d eles -kite- people? That’s like saying a dagger necro has an immob for kiting…

Not every elementalist is a D/D elementalist. I’m sure not. A good Elementalist will never have an issue with any condition, or stun. Just saying.

And your pet applying anything to a player just means that player has learn to play issues.

Sebrent.3625:

First off, I played EQ1 as well. I know about kiting.

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Honestly, if you’re having trouble kiting with a ranger, it’s a l2 kitten ue … and I don’t throw l2p around often.

I’m looking to start the Ranger after playing every other class in the game. The Ranger boards are full of false assumptions about the game, from people, if they are Rangers, like yourself who seem hell bent on providing information to get the class nerfed. You have some good lists of stuff, but you have a mountain of misinformation to dig through, to get to the good stuff.

There is an entire game out there you need to experience.

No class kites as well as the Elementalist, including the Engineer who is second best at kiting, and that is just facts. I’m sorry this upsets your; “Ranger can do everything, and should be nerfed” vibe you give off.

Nothing more annoying than people who try to give off that a class is overpowered, when it isn’t.

I’ve spent three days reading 11 pages of misinformation, or trolls who seem to think this class is overpowered, or those who think it is grossly underpowered. It’s worse than the Thief/Elementalist boards, and there is some credibility to people who beleive those classes are overpowered.

LadyLad.1389:

Durzlla.6295:

@Ladylad if you really want to take into account EVERY access to movement impairing conditions (IE can’t have them all in one build) against the ranger YOU WILL LOSE, because you know, not like we don’t have access to immobs through pet, or KDs, or KBs, or fear…

PS: since when do d/d eles -kite- people? That’s like saying a dagger necro has an immob for kiting…

Not every elementalist is a D/D elementalist. I’m sure not. A good Elementalist will never have an issue with any condition, or stun. Just saying.

And your pet applying anything to a player just means that player has learn to play issues.

You just made an argument about eles being “amazing kiters” due to their CC list and a large amount of those skills are from daggers, another large amount are from conjures…

And I -know- eles can stay at range nicely and can kite I play a staff ele… But they’re kitten if paired with a ranger.

Durzlla.6295:

LadyLad.1389:

Durzlla.6295:

@Ladylad if you really want to take into account EVERY access to movement impairing conditions (IE can’t have them all in one build) against the ranger YOU WILL LOSE, because you know, not like we don’t have access to immobs through pet, or KDs, or KBs, or fear…

PS: since when do d/d eles -kite- people? That’s like saying a dagger necro has an immob for kiting…

Not every elementalist is a D/D elementalist. I’m sure not. A good Elementalist will never have an issue with any condition, or stun. Just saying.

And your pet applying anything to a player just means that player has learn to play issues.

You just made an argument about eles being “amazing kiters” due to their CC list and a large amount of those skills are from daggers, another large amount are from conjures…

And I -know- eles can stay at range nicely and can kite I play a staff ele… But they’re kitten if paired with a ranger.

D/D Elementalist will have a hard time fighting any ranged build, but the smarter ones do not run D/D, and will tear up Rangers, or any ranged build for that matter. Keep an eye out for the HGH Engineer builds, you’ll be surprised at how well they play, and how well they kite anyone who chooses not to carry a ranged weapon. The Engineer will quickly become the next Elementalist that people complain about.

LadyLad.1389:

Durzlla.6295:

LadyLad.1389:

Durzlla.6295:

@Ladylad if you really want to take into account EVERY access to movement impairing conditions (IE can’t have them all in one build) against the ranger YOU WILL LOSE, because you know, not like we don’t have access to immobs through pet, or KDs, or KBs, or fear…

PS: since when do d/d eles -kite- people? That’s like saying a dagger necro has an immob for kiting…

Not every elementalist is a D/D elementalist. I’m sure not. A good Elementalist will never have an issue with any condition, or stun. Just saying.

And your pet applying anything to a player just means that player has learn to play issues.

You just made an argument about eles being “amazing kiters” due to their CC list and a large amount of those skills are from daggers, another large amount are from conjures…

And I -know- eles can stay at range nicely and can kite I play a staff ele… But they’re kitten if paired with a ranger.

D/D Elementalist will have a hard time fighting any ranged build, but the smarter ones do not run D/D, and will tear up Rangers, or any ranged build for that matter. Keep an eye out for the HGH Engineer builds, you’ll be surprised at how well they play, and how well they kite anyone who chooses not to carry a ranged weapon. The Engineer will quickly become the next Elementalist that people complain about.

HGH has been around forever, it’s no stronger than it originally was either so idk how it’d suddenly become the next D/D ele…

Durzlla.6295:

LadyLad.1389:

Durzlla.6295:

LadyLad.1389:

Durzlla.6295:

@Ladylad if you really want to take into account EVERY access to movement impairing conditions (IE can’t have them all in one build) against the ranger YOU WILL LOSE, because you know, not like we don’t have access to immobs through pet, or KDs, or KBs, or fear…

PS: since when do d/d eles -kite- people? That’s like saying a dagger necro has an immob for kiting…

Not every elementalist is a D/D elementalist. I’m sure not. A good Elementalist will never have an issue with any condition, or stun. Just saying.

And your pet applying anything to a player just means that player has learn to play issues.

You just made an argument about eles being “amazing kiters” due to their CC list and a large amount of those skills are from daggers, another large amount are from conjures…

And I -know- eles can stay at range nicely and can kite I play a staff ele… But they’re kitten if paired with a ranger.

D/D Elementalist will have a hard time fighting any ranged build, but the smarter ones do not run D/D, and will tear up Rangers, or any ranged build for that matter. Keep an eye out for the HGH Engineer builds, you’ll be surprised at how well they play, and how well they kite anyone who chooses not to carry a ranged weapon. The Engineer will quickly become the next Elementalist that people complain about.

HGH has been around forever, it’s no stronger than it originally was either so idk how it’d suddenly become the next D/D ele…

Not to step in on your little argument, but you don’t know much about the game. This is what happens when you theorycraft, rather than play.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/It-s-time-to-nerf-Engineers

Actually Aion’s Ranger was a really fun classto play. It was powerful and had the tools to bring down any other classes if you played it well. If players saw a ranger on the battlefield they handled him with respect, knowing it had the abilities to faceroll anyone.

And if they would solve the problem that a well geared player could stunlock and roflstomp you in 1 sec i would say Aions PvP would be far over to GW2. It required far more brain to play that game in group than GW2.

Not to talk about that almost every class was could be a deadly weapon in good hands there.

HGH Engineers are strong because they stat Might quite a bit. They aren’t any more special than other builds and they certainly aren’t on the same level as the current Dagger+Dagger Elementalist who can heal from 25% to full (or near it) quite often while also having 3 utilites that are stunbreakers, condition removals, vigor, regen, and the effects from the actual skill on top of either a 15 second heal + 8 condition removal or heal every time you cast even if you hit nothing.

However, back to the OP. Ranger’s are kings of Kiting with some of our builds. I’d argue that Engineers are kings of putting you on your butt/back with all their explosions with some of their builds. Ever fought a good turret engineer? It’s amusing to watch …. search their forums on here for some good videos.