Cleric Bunker Viable in WvW Zerg?
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No. You’re not going to be able to stand in the middle of zerg and tank damage indefinitely. Despite what someone else said, smaller, well-organized zergs regularly take down larger ones (at least in T2) – but they do so by charging in to burst, then quickly retreating, regrouping, and repeating. In other words, a cleric bunker build is precisely the wrong build to run for tactical zerg-busting. You want a build with decent to high burst, but also with enough survivability to endure a few moments in the heart of an enemy zerg.
I’ve been using a trap build lately, but I’m about to switch back to a signet build full-time. With SoS, SotH, and SotW actives, a ranger can swoop into a zerg, provide good burst, and retreat to do it all over again. A trap build is also effective, though, since no one has enough condition removal for all the crap flying around in zergs. The trick is to throw your traps where the bulk of the zerg will be – not where they are. In most cases, this means just planting traps at your feet, since competent zergs will push through to your back lines.
thats exactly what we are playing in T2 EU, too.
And exactly the core of my question:
We charge in, hit hard, retreat, repeat. But: I found that with 26k HP and 2100 Toughness i am well surviving a push but wont be healed back up once we push back in.
So I thought it might be more effective to settle with around 17k health and 1200 healing power with a good bit of self heal to be able to live through those fights.
Because the one big problem with 26k health and no healing power is: Once you eat a big it: you are dead. with decent healing power you jump out, wait 10 seconds and are at almost 50% live again without even having to waste your water field.
Cempa.5619:Cleric Power Bow Regeneration is one of -if not the- strongest WvW builds the class has. Just keep in mind you might get board really fast from being so OP.
I d also love to see the build you are talking of! Would you care to share it?
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No. You’re not going to be able to stand in the middle of zerg and tank damage indefinitely. Despite what someone else said, smaller, well-organized zergs regularly take down larger ones (at least in T2) – but they do so by charging in to burst, then quickly retreating, regrouping, and repeating. In other words, a cleric bunker build is precisely the wrong build to run for tactical zerg-busting. You want a build with decent to high burst, but also with enough survivability to endure a few moments in the heart of an enemy zerg.
I’ve been using a trap build lately, but I’m about to switch back to a signet build full-time. With SoS, SotH, and SotW actives, a ranger can swoop into a zerg, provide good burst, and retreat to do it all over again. A trap build is also effective, though, since no one has enough condition removal for all the crap flying around in zergs. The trick is to throw your traps where the bulk of the zerg will be – not where they are. In most cases, this means just planting traps at your feet, since competent zergs will push through to your back lines.
thats exactly what we are playing in T2 EU, too.
And exactly the core of my question:
We charge in, hit hard, retreat, repeat. But: I found that with 26k HP and 2100 Toughness i am well surviving a push but wont be healed back up once we push back in.
So I thought it might be more effective to settle with around 17k health and 1200 healing power with a good bit of self heal to be able to live through those fights.
Because the one big problem with 26k health and no healing power is: Once you eat a big it: you are dead. with decent healing power you jump out, wait 10 seconds and are at almost 50% live again without even having to waste your water field.Cempa.5619:Cleric Power Bow Regeneration is one of -if not the- strongest WvW builds the class has. Just keep in mind you might get board really fast from being so OP.
I d also love to see the build you are talking of! Would you care to share it?
It sounds like what you are after is something with ~18-20k HP, 2700+ armor, and ~1000+ healing power. I’ve been running a 20k, 3-3100 armor, 1100 healing power build for close to a month now in WvW and it works great for the scenario you outlined above(large scale/GvG).
Last night I fought in two LONG battles(NA T1): 1 in enemy garrison that lasted over an hour with no skill lag, and the other was in EB with INSANE skill lag(but still no health issues as my regen was great).
The only downside is that it gets boring(IMO): low dps, high tank factor, and a fairly “static” gameplay style.
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thanks again for the feedback.
@ Ayden: so I am evidently not the only weirdo considering clerics as a viable Zerg set up. Your build looks very similar to what I posted above and it looks like I could easily pitch in around 500 Healing Power without sacrificing too much elsewhere.
The inherent question then would be: Is it worth it to stack healing Power if you are not using the 2 passive sources of Healing the ranger uses: Natural Healing and Signet of the Wild?
@Som, your Build sounds interesting too!
I am surprised you are complaining about damage, though. When running with soldier gear and with 10 points into Nature Magic I found my Power to be well beyond 2k and hence my attacks, eventhough non crit, to be hitting like a truck. No one likes to be struck by a 1500 non crit Maul
@Roe
Valroth’s Build actually made me choose Ranger as my main (over Mesmer and Guardian)! awesome build!
But I think his build is definetly lacking on the defensive side. 15k HP simply isn’t enough for my taste and the heavy Pet focus is not gonna work to my benefit in large scale fights.
Plus he is using a lot of passive healing while having little healing power, which bugged me too
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