yea, I’m back, on my Druid now. Still struggling with finding the “right” toon for raiding and such. Have a Reaper and rev both full asc and all that but am finding the classes boring as, especially the Revenant!
I mean spam 1,occansional 2 help knockback and then staff 5 for cc. And it never fails that if CC is slow they blame the Rev! I swear am I the only one or what??
Anyways….had fun levelling and playing Druid but was hassled with “Oh my god, why you condi?!” and junk like that.
I don’t play a healer, never have,but am fine with helping to support with going into CA if needed. But there again I was "told’ that doing so was a dps loss and I shouldn’t bother.
So I ask…are raids looking for/taking Condi druid or is it pretty much you better be a healer or no go? Or am I stuck with playing Reaper for Condi since that seems to be the rage? Also have an Engi but dang they a tricky class to play right. I can get by sure but that’s not the goal so am hoping that condi Druid perhaps has gotten some love lately.
Condi Druid worth a go?
The main job for a druid is healing & buffing your group, and that no matter what kind of build you play (full healer, LB/S A zerker or condi) you will always be there for your heals and group buffs like Spotter, Grace of the Land, Glyph of Empowerment and Frost Spirit and Druid is also very good on giving a high fury uptime to your subgroup with the tiger pet.
At this moment Condi druid is the highest dps build for a druid. This doesn’t mean that the druid is not healing anymore or buffing the group, that is still the main role of the druid. You just sacrifice some healing power and the staff weapon to achieve more DPS. This is usefull in situations where your group is more experienced with the content and allows your group to clear the content faster. At this moment Condi druid is most viable in wing 1, and is in my opinion outplayed by the zerker or healer variant (depending on the boss) on wing 2 and 3. Due to having no staff and 0 healing power makes this build harder to play of course, and the overall healing is less. This is why most pug-groups ask for a zealot or magi healer, basicly a druid with alot of healing power and a staff to keep everyone alive.
What you have been told is true, going in CA is a dps loss for yourself, but your job is to heal people and buff people, as that increases the group DPS alot more then your own dps when not going in CA.
So the answer to your question is: Condi druid is viable to bring in wing 1, but most pug groups prefer a full healer druid.
Overall not really your question but I really love to play druid, the playstyle in raids feels completely different and unique compared to the other classes of course cause of its job. It might be hard to get used to it but is really alot of fun (even when not playing condi druid )!
As true as Odin’s spear flies,
There is nowhere to hide.
So the answer to your question is: Condi druid is viable to bring in wing 1, but most pug groups prefer a full healer druid.
Sadly that will kill it for me until such a time as the mentality changes for making groups. But thanks for the reply!
So the answer to your question is: Condi druid is viable to bring in wing 1, but most pug groups prefer a full healer druid.
Sadly that will kill it for me until such a time as the mentality changes for making groups. But thanks for the reply!
it’s more or less because of how the raid is set up, sadly. zerker meta is still king.
As true as Odin’s spear flies,
There is nowhere to hide.
So the answer to your question is: Condi druid is viable to bring in wing 1, but most pug groups prefer a full healer druid.
Sadly that will kill it for me until such a time as the mentality changes for making groups. But thanks for the reply!
I was just discussing this with some guildies last night. The reason for the situation we agreed is only because druids are somewhat hard to find. So trying to get 2 of them is unlikely. So they go with the 1 and make them load up on healing. It’s just hands down better to have 2 druids though. Druid buffs are simply amazing and you have far better coverage with 2 druids, add on that you can have one or both of them running DPS, in the end you’re likely to gain overall raid dps.
Would I recommend trying to shift to druid? naw, because chances are once you’re in the group they’ll just ask you to go magi and be the full solo healer. But, if you can find a group that has a druid already and you’re the extra, well there’s no good reason they shouldn’t take you and a lot of reasons they should.
I was just discussing this with some guildies last night. The reason for the situation we agreed is only because druids are somewhat hard to find.
that can’t be right, in pve they are majority, and i know that because of the amount of PBSs i see in bloodstone fern.
It can be that players don’t like the role of simplistic buffbot but i’m pretty sure everyone has one druid for all the afk farming
People who randomly hit PBS aren’t going to be raiding
(or at least they shouldn’t).
We did just that last night and I ran condi, going off what most folks said here. Red Guard died first and team stayed healed yet at the end when we killed VG of course a pug had to have a go….“Why run vipers, why run 2 druids, etc.?”
Why do people feel the need to be so toxic, and it was mostly a guild run anyways with 2 pugs. This guy refused TS, “didn’t need”, which was fine but then dies on first GC.
Ah well, was still fun and that’s the point!
Not alot of people are aware of the huge buffs a druid gives to the group, guess you’ll have to accept that at some point :P Glad you had fun playing it though
Agree with you. But pugs only want 1 druid in raid, everytime. Only time you’ll get to run 2 druids is in an organized or semi-organized one.
What can we do to change this mentality?
Nothing needed to be done, lately most PuG groups are finally switching to use 4-4-2.
When you encounter those toxic players that still oppose having two druids, try explaining them about the extra buffs you can provide, wont always work though, some players are too stubborn to listen. Funny thing is that even when both Druids are running full healing gear, you will still get better DPS than the old 7-2-1 and some alternate comps.
But, Condi Druid is only very effective for Wing 1, Berserker is usually the way to go for the last 2 wings (and full healing for Matt, unless you have a Healing Tempest), so keep that in mind…
I’m still pugging pretty often in all wings, and I think more and more ppl come to see that 2 druids are very viable, if not meta.
So in short Joxer, to answer your initial question, I say yes when pugging.
And definitely if you’re going to join a (semi)experienced raiding guild.
PS: But especially when pugging, healing ranger will be more in demand
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In my normal monday group we always run 1 full heal + 1 dmg (condi in wing 1 and power in 2+3).
The extra healing makes it safe and GotL etc. makes the dmg.
For my tuesday run we sometimes have a hard time getting a 2’nd and therefore sometimes end up with only 1 druid
My exp is that the 2 druid is really good. But that you dont put a random on the druid. You need someone who can play his/her class. And not just someone who AA. That might (only might) work on condi reaper or something similar. Since you “only” loose dmg. But in a 4-4-2 settup you need both druids to do some healing and not just ak. Or you have 4 dead people.
In that way the 7-2-1 settup is abit safer, since all will be healed here (at a loss of dmg). Where the 4-4-2 settup have the 2 druids focus heal the group they are placed in first.
All of this said. If I can pick, always 2 druids. And when I pug (generally late at night) I attempt to always have 2 of them (even gladly 2 full heals).