Condi cleansing
Survival skills with SotF. Shouts with soldier runes work pretty well also. Depends on your playstyle really.
If your running longbow odds are you only need to break enough condi’s to get out of gank situations. So either of the before mentioned will work. Putting two survival skills on your bar (I use HaO L.R. Q.Z. SoS and SotP as my utilities) is probably all the condi clear you need to fight “most” classes.
if you insist on getting close to condi spamming classes than you might want to add in evasive purity (adept in nature magic) combined with empathic bond or SotF depending on what utilities you take.
We still have decent condi removal options. We just can’t shed condi after condi without much thought on whether or not its worth burning them on a cripple or saving it for a necros weakness bomb.
Ghost Yak
On my PowerShout build I use Empathic Bond and Lyssa runes. I’ve found that it’s been sufficient since SotP is on such a low cooldown; Activating SotP to convert five conditions to boons along with its original affect is kind of like turning on Gameshark codes.
Basically Empathic keeps me sustained, Lightning Reflexes prevents death by immob, and Lyssa conversion is there for me when I make a stupid mistake.
Saethe — Favorable Winds [Wind] — Maguuma
On my PowerShout build I use Empathic Bond and Lyssa runes. I’ve found that it’s been sufficient since SotP is on such a low cooldown; Activating SotP to convert five conditions to boons along with its original affect is kind of like turning on Gameshark codes.
Basically Empathic keeps me sustained, Lightning Reflexes prevents death by immob, and Lyssa conversion is there for me when I make a stupid mistake.
What’s your build? Could I get a link?
Thanks.
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On my PowerShout build I use Empathic Bond and Lyssa runes. I’ve found that it’s been sufficient since SotP is on such a low cooldown; Activating SotP to convert five conditions to boons along with its original affect is kind of like turning on Gameshark codes.
Basically Empathic keeps me sustained, Lightning Reflexes prevents death by immob, and Lyssa conversion is there for me when I make a stupid mistake.
What’s your build? Could I get a link?
Thanks.
This is what I’m currently using.
Saethe — Favorable Winds [Wind] — Maguuma
Why wasn’t Healing Spring fixed in the last update? Did they forgot or was this a nerf?
On my PowerShout build I use Empathic Bond and Lyssa runes. I’ve found that it’s been sufficient since SotP is on such a low cooldown; Activating SotP to convert five conditions to boons along with its original affect is kind of like turning on Gameshark codes.
Basically Empathic keeps me sustained, Lightning Reflexes prevents death by immob, and Lyssa conversion is there for me when I make a stupid mistake.
What’s your build? Could I get a link?
Thanks.
This is what I’m currently using.
Zealot’s?
How do you keep your bird alive at all?
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Why wasn’t Healing Spring fixed in the last update? Did they forgot or was this a nerf?
What’s the point of Healing Spring at all if it doesn’t heal pet nor allies.
It’s one of the very reasons that Rangers are not included in any freaking metabattle groups or best of because we bring the least (we can argue all day long, this is what OTHERS who run WvW BELIEVE) to the “group” table!
I am sick of being told that we don’t matter by the inaction of this company.
Anyone even notice that others are getting “new” elites but Rangers are not?
We bring the least so as many of us have stated before, Rangers need a major revamp.
The way we are now, no other toon is so disrespected or hated.
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Survival skills with SotF. Shouts with soldier runes work pretty well also. Depends on your playstyle really.
If your running longbow odds are you only need to break enough condi’s to get out of gank situations. So either of the before mentioned will work. Putting two survival skills on your bar (I use HaO L.R. Q.Z. SoS and SotP as my utilities) is probably all the condi clear you need to fight “most” classes.
if you insist on getting close to condi spamming classes than you might want to add in evasive purity (adept in nature magic) combined with empathic bond or SotF depending on what utilities you take.
We still have decent condi removal options. We just can’t shed condi after condi without much thought on whether or not its worth burning them on a cripple or saving it for a necros weakness bomb.
He asked for condi removal not stun breakers.
We have so little to remove condi compared to most we melt under any good burst of just a single toon against us.
If we go completely defensive, as some are suggesting, we aren’t much good to ourselves or others.
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Whose condition cleanse are you talking about that they don’t have to make sacrifices to have it?
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I wonder what your basis for comparison is…”
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I wonder what your basis for comparison is…”
- Jareth, King of Goblins.
On my PowerShout build I use Empathic Bond and Lyssa runes. I’ve found that it’s been sufficient since SotP is on such a low cooldown; Activating SotP to convert five conditions to boons along with its original affect is kind of like turning on Gameshark codes.
Basically Empathic keeps me sustained, Lightning Reflexes prevents death by immob, and Lyssa conversion is there for me when I make a stupid mistake.
What’s your build? Could I get a link?
Thanks.
This is what I’m currently using.
Zealot’s?
How do you keep your bird alive at all?
Zealot weapons just to hit 300 hp/s from all sources of regen. I just have this thing where if I don’t hit certain numbers I’m just not satisfied.
Why wouldn’t the bird stay alive? It’s generally pushing over 400 hp/s before “We Heal As One.” Proper pet management will keep anything alive in small scale fights with that kind of healing.
Saethe — Favorable Winds [Wind] — Maguuma
Survival skills with SotF. Shouts with soldier runes work pretty well also. Depends on your playstyle really.
If your running longbow odds are you only need to break enough condi’s to get out of gank situations. So either of the before mentioned will work. Putting two survival skills on your bar (I use HaO L.R. Q.Z. SoS and SotP as my utilities) is probably all the condi clear you need to fight “most” classes.
if you insist on getting close to condi spamming classes than you might want to add in evasive purity (adept in nature magic) combined with empathic bond or SotF depending on what utilities you take.
We still have decent condi removal options. We just can’t shed condi after condi without much thought on whether or not its worth burning them on a cripple or saving it for a necros weakness bomb.
He asked for condi removal not stun breakers.
We have so little to remove condi compared to most we melt under any good burst of just a single toon against us.
If we go completely defensive, as some are suggesting, we aren’t much good to ourselves or others.
oh im sorry atheria I assumed the people on this forum new the trait system. But I guess I was wrong -.- those “stun breakers” can also remove 2 condis each when traited. Or were you aware of that and just wanted to be controversial.
Ghost Yak
We aren’t lacking in quantity; we’re lacking in quality. Outside of WK, I’m not impressed with our condi removal options.
HS: Needs to be fixed.
EB: Overnerfed at the height of BM Bunker almost two years ago.
Signet of Renewal: Active needs to rely less on pet.
Shake It Off: It’s on a bear, but I suppose this makes brown bear the most useful of all bears.
Whose condition cleanse are you talking about that they don’t have to make sacrifices to have it?
Warrior/Mesmer/Ele/Necro can get enough condi mitigation to deal with just about any condi build and not sacrifice much at all.
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Whose condition cleanse are you talking about that they don’t have to make sacrifices to have it?
Warrior/Mesmer/Ele/Necro can get enough condi mitigation to deal with just about any condi build and not sacrifice much at all.
Can you provide evidence of their lack of sacrifice, compared to Ranger?
Whose condition cleanse are you talking about that they don’t have to make sacrifices to have it?
Warrior/Mesmer/Ele/Necro can get enough condi mitigation to deal with just about any condi build and not sacrifice much at all.
Can you provide evidence of their lack of sacrifice, compared to Ranger?
Take Warrior for example. It has a signet that removes all conditions on a 36-48s CD. Ranger signet is on a 48-60s CD, whose active needs to have a pet in range and it can kill or render the pet useless. Ranger’s signet is also the only utility it has that deals with conditions untraited.
Warrior can take Cleansing Ire. A great dual purpose GM in a defensive traitline that many Warriors are happy to take (like Wilderness Survival), that ties into the prof mechanic. Takes some effort to use but high potential condi removal (up to 3 every 7-8s).
Emphatic Bond is a guaranteed removal every 10s, but those conditions are sent to your pet, again potentially rendering your profession mechanic dead or hampered. And that’s all it does, unlike Cleansing Ire which grants extra Adrenaline.
A Warrior can drop Defense if it wants and still get decent removal via Fast Hands and Brawler’s Recovery (in a traitline that is taken by most Warriors anyway, not related to condi removal) and extra utilities like Berserker Stance and Shake if off.
A Ranger can drop Wilderness Survival and take what exactly? A dodge trait in Nature Magic that doesn’t do a whole lot? A bear that has poor f2 behavior and poor DPS?
In terms of healing skills Warrior can take just pop the active of Healing Signet (Warrior’s best heal) for resistance. If the Ranger wants an untraited way to deal with condis, it needs to take Healing Spring, which sounds good on paper, but needs to stay inside the spring for full effect (a downside). Plus Healing Spring has less HPS than Troll Ungent.
The key point here is flexibility. A class like Warrior has options. With a class like Ranger, it’s take survival utilities and Wilderness Survival or suffer the consequences (and if the Ranger piles on extra removal or goes for something like HS + EB, suffer even more consequences to your profession mechanic).
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You didn’t mention flexibility, you stated they can get enough condition removal without much sacrifice. Nowhere near the same thing.
I agree that Ranger needs more options for condition removal outside of WS, but saying that other classes can manage with no sacrifice is just plain wrong. Unless they have baseline passive removals, they need to make sacrifices as much as we do. Their removal may be better at the end of the day, but that is also a different discussion.
You didn’t mention flexibility, you stated they can get enough condition removal without much sacrifice. Nowhere near the same thing.
I agree that Ranger needs more options for condition removal outside of WS, but saying that other classes can manage with no sacrifice is just plain wrong. Unless they have baseline passive removals, they need to make sacrifices as much as we do. Their removal may be better at the end of the day, but that is also a different discussion.
You dont see the connection between flexibility and sacrifice? Not taking WS is a huge sacrifice for Ranger, but a class like Warrior can still find decent condition removal if they don’t take Defense. And I compared Cleansing Ire GM to EB, where Rangers literally weaken their profession mechanic to cleanse while Warriors enhance their mechanic. L2readingcomprehension please.
Why wasn’t Healing Spring fixed in the last update? Did they forgot or was this a nerf?
What’s the point of Healing Spring at all if it doesn’t heal pet nor allies.
It’s one of the very reasons that Rangers are not included in any freaking metabattle groups or best of because we bring the least (we can argue all day long, this is what OTHERS who run WvW BELIEVE) to the “group” table!
I am sick of being told that we don’t matter by the inaction of this company.
Anyone even notice that others are getting “new” elites but Rangers are not?
We bring the least so as many of us have stated before, Rangers need a major revamp.
The way we are now, no other toon is so disrespected or hated.
I didn’t know Healing Spring stop healing pets, but I did see it stop removing conditions, I guess this skill is total garbage now. Seriously…why does Anet hate the ranger class so much?
oh im sorry atheria I assumed the people on this forum new the trait system. But I guess I was wrong -.- those “stun breakers” can also remove 2 condis each when traited. Or were you aware of that and just wanted to be controversial.
The problem is the trait which adds condition cleanse to the stun breakers is in the same trait line as Empathic Bond – they’re all in Wilderness Survival. If you don’t want to take Wilderness Survival as one of your three trait lines, you’re screwed at condition removal until they fix Healing Spring.
My most common mode of death (when not running a WS build) is now I get crippled while trying to flee what is obviously a bad fight, I use Healing Spring, the initial heal tops out my HP, meaning the “trap” never triggers and I never get the condition cleanse, and I get run down because I’m crippled. If they’re going to keep this trap mechanic on HS, at least make the skill activation remove some conditions as well.