Guild Wars 2

Dear Anet Devs.

Can I please ask that for the next Ranger Specialization be a Modified Dervish that is similar to what the original GW’s 1 with the usual GW’s 2 flair.

Not gonna say it needs this or that because I believe you can make it fine without that.

Please let Rangers have a different type of Melee to others. Dervish would be that!

I think Dervish would be better with Elementalists, if you think about the different attunements. Fire Magic would be for Balthazar; Water for Lyssa/Grenth; Air for Dwayna; and Earth for Melandru. Remember, in the original Guild Wars, there were only 5 Gods, up until the mortal Kormir became a Goddess. So, Kormir would play no role in the GW2 Dervish specialization, if there ever was one. Besides, a Dervish wears light armor, much like an Elementalist. Lorewise, a Dervish is the Elonian version of a Monk, so it makes sense for them to wear light armor.

dervish is kind of what revnet is right now sort of, ihope for ashape shifter and then change the elite spec between the druid to the next one witch make shape shiffting druid =)

Sorry to do this but,

Lancaeron.1524:

I think Dervish would be better with Elementalists, if you think about the different attunements. Fire Magic would be for Balthazar; Water for Lyssa/Grenth; Air for Dwayna; and Earth for Melandru. Remember, in the original Guild Wars, there were only 5 Gods, up until the mortal Kormir became a Goddess. So, Kormir would play no role in the GW2 Dervish specialization, if there ever was one.

Racially Norn would match up with Dervish the most. Professionally I think Elementalist is the furtherest from Dervish because they are kind of anti-magic in that no magic comes out from them instead buffs and boons are mostly applied to themselves. Also they block magic “Vow of Silence”.

Lancaeron.1524:

Besides, a Dervish wears light armor, much like an Elementalist.

Actually the armor rating in Guild Wars 1 for Dervish is 70, The armor rating for Monk is 60 same for Elementalist, Ranger is also 70. So no they don’t wear light armor. For perspective Warriors armor is 80.

Lancaeron.1524:

Lorewise, a Dervish is the Elonian version of a Monk, so it makes sense for them to wear light armor.

“Dervishes are scythe-wielding holy warriors who can attack multiple enemies at once.”
This quote is taken from the description from the Guild Wars 1 Wiki. So no not a monk.

BadSanta.6527:

dervish is kind of what revnet is right now sort of, ihope for ashape shifter and then change the elite spec between the druid to the next one witch make shape shiffting druid =)

That would be fairly cool.

Shape shift into something from each race.

I actually thought it more necro with enchantment sacrifing. Do harm to yourself to spite your enemies type of deal.

BadSanta.6527:

dervish is kind of what revnet is right now sort of, ihope for ashape shifter and then change the elite spec between the druid to the next one witch make shape shiffting druid =)

Reaper’s shroud is basically dervish V1.5.

Nah Dervish never hurt themselves. They sacrifice energy regen. They self-buff. They are entirely selfish in their fight style.

I do understand what you mean by Enchant Sacrifice. But it was mostly to give a few extra damage points. I very rarely sacrificed enchants to buff me.

This is their way

Firebird Gomer.9563:

Nah Dervish never hurt themselves. They sacrifice energy regen. They self-buff. They are entirely selfish in their fight style.

I do understand what you mean by Enchant Sacrifice. But it was mostly to give a few extra damage points. I very rarely sacrificed enchants to buff me.

This is their way

They changed dervish in gw1 close to the release of gw2 with flash enchantments where the enchantment ending was stronger and often encouraged to be removed.

I know I remember. I used to just let them run out naturally instead of ending them early and getting the buff, and honestly my build just worked all the time in any situation the only thing I changed was my Elite depending on what I was doing at the time.

People used to ask for my build all the time and I’d tell them no. You can see the skills, you can see the weapons, but that’s the most I let them see. Jade Quarry I had very few that could beat me. Mesmers if I didn’t see them coming or missed my rotation. I want my Dervish back for GW’s 2 =-(

So again I ask Devs. Please consider Dervish for Ranger’s. Or if we go to Elona then straight up Dervish profession.

If I wanted to shapeshift, I’d be playing WoW. No, thanks.

Firebird Gomer.9563:

I know I remember. I used to just let them run out naturally instead of ending them early and getting the buff, and honestly my build just worked all the time in any situation the only thing I changed was my Elite depending on what I was doing at the time.

People used to ask for my build all the time and I’d tell them no. You can see the skills, you can see the weapons, but that’s the most I let them see. Jade Quarry I had very few that could beat me. Mesmers if I didn’t see them coming or missed my rotation. I want my Dervish back for GW’s 2 =-(

So again I ask Devs. Please consider Dervish for Ranger’s. Or if we go to Elona then straight up Dervish profession.

Oh look here, we got the greatest-greatest evar!

Justine.6351:

Firebird Gomer.9563:

I know I remember. I used to just let them run out naturally instead of ending them early and getting the buff, and honestly my build just worked all the time in any situation the only thing I changed was my Elite depending on what I was doing at the time.

People used to ask for my build all the time and I’d tell them no. You can see the skills, you can see the weapons, but that’s the most I let them see. Jade Quarry I had very few that could beat me. Mesmers if I didn’t see them coming or missed my rotation. I want my Dervish back for GW’s 2 =-(

So again I ask Devs. Please consider Dervish for Ranger’s. Or if we go to Elona then straight up Dervish profession.

Oh look here, we got the greatest-greatest evar!

Now now…. I can’t help if I found a build that worked for me. I couldn’t play any other profession to save myself…. Constant deaths

I don’t think rangers are close at all of the dervish. I mean… Dervish in GW1 were religious fanatics, rangers are more nature linked.
From a RP standpoint, that wouldn’t fit at all.

Guardians are the only ones who have knowledge from Elona, with their paragon background. Also, they are religious fanatics too, they are the most likely to get such a spec.

Eh, I don’t think Dervish is a nice fit with Ranger base… maybe something unique like:
Shaman – Offensive Nature Magic – Scepter?
Warden- Heavy CC Melee – Hammer?
Scout- Evades – Main Hand Dagger or off hand sword?

idk

Kehlian.4380:

I don’t think rangers are close at all of the dervish. I mean… Dervish in GW1 were religious fanatics, rangers are more nature linked.
From a RP standpoint, that wouldn’t fit at all.

Guardians are the only ones who have knowledge from Elona, with their paragon background. Also, they are religious fanatics too, they are the most likely to get such a spec.

Guardians are not a bad call RP wise. However its the armor that hinders them from being a Dervish class, after all Guardians are heavy class armor and Dervish are medium class armor.

I think from memory when Guild Wars 2 launched they said that Guardians were based from Paragon with I guess a little bit of Monk and Ritualist and maybe just maybe a little bit of Warrior as well. So do they need more Elona?

Again I believe that Dervish would best suit a Ranger armor wise and to provide a unique melee style that would help the Ranger out.

Also and far more importantly all the Medium armors that look like coats would suit the spinning form of the Dervish! KIDDING!

Firebird Gomer.9563:

Kehlian.4380:

I don’t think rangers are close at all of the dervish. I mean… Dervish in GW1 were religious fanatics, rangers are more nature linked.
From a RP standpoint, that wouldn’t fit at all.

Guardians are the only ones who have knowledge from Elona, with their paragon background. Also, they are religious fanatics too, they are the most likely to get such a spec.

Guardians are not a bad call RP wise. However its the armor that hinders them from being a Dervish class, after all Guardians are heavy class armor and Dervish are medium class armor.

I think from memory when Guild Wars 2 launched they said that Guardians were based from Paragon with I guess a little bit of Monk and Ritualist and maybe just maybe a little bit of Warrior as well. So do they need more Elona?

Again I believe that Dervish would best suit a Ranger armor wise and to provide a unique melee style that would help the Ranger out.

Also and far more importantly all the Medium armors that look like coats would suit the spinning form of the Dervish! KIDDING!

Actually I think in the future it will be entirely possible we see elite specs allow for usage of different armor tiers.

People are so hung up on bringing back classes from gw1 as elite specs directly. As in they think it needs to be skill for skill, lore for lore. But really they could introduce dervish spec under a different name. We see elements brought over from gw1 into classes that don’t share the names whatsoever already with for example, guardian spirit weapons obviously reflecting gw1 spirits.

The only template they need to use to bring gw1 dervish over to gw2 is:

• Medium speed 2handed melee
• Mass access to soft boons (swift/vigor/might/ect.)
• Gated access to hard boons (protection/fury/aegis/ect.)
• Boon Sacrificing and a reason to do so

The only class to place this, that would open it up more, would probably be Mesmer. I would have suggested ele too, but a 2hander on a class without weapon swap is a hard thing to sell when it already has a strong 1hander with a strong melee attack range.

Wolfey.3407:

Eh, I don’t think Dervish is a nice fit with Ranger base… maybe something unique like:
Shaman – Offensive Nature Magic – Scepter?
Warden- Heavy CC Melee – Hammer?
Scout- Evades – Main Hand Dagger or off hand sword?

idk

Interesting.

I would like to say that the Shaman one you suggested is kind of what most people expected Druid to be I guess, I know I did.

However my main concern and thought process is that Anet said of Elite Specializations lines is “In our reveal of Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns™, we told you that specializations are our way of giving existing professions new skills and traits.”

To me that suggests eventually giving different build types far more than what is current. IE Warrior gets a casting Specialization. Necro getting a healing Specialization. (please note that these are just ideas NOT they will have).

I do also believe eventually they will have to add new weapon types.

By the way Scout with a Rifle that is a sniper rifle would be cool.

Justine.6351:

Firebird Gomer.9563:

Kehlian.4380:

I don’t think rangers are close at all of the dervish. I mean… Dervish in GW1 were religious fanatics, rangers are more nature linked.
From a RP standpoint, that wouldn’t fit at all.

Guardians are the only ones who have knowledge from Elona, with their paragon background. Also, they are religious fanatics too, they are the most likely to get such a spec.

Guardians are not a bad call RP wise. However its the armor that hinders them from being a Dervish class, after all Guardians are heavy class armor and Dervish are medium class armor.

I think from memory when Guild Wars 2 launched they said that Guardians were based from Paragon with I guess a little bit of Monk and Ritualist and maybe just maybe a little bit of Warrior as well. So do they need more Elona?

Again I believe that Dervish would best suit a Ranger armor wise and to provide a unique melee style that would help the Ranger out.

Also and far more importantly all the Medium armors that look like coats would suit the spinning form of the Dervish! KIDDING!

Actually I think in the future it will be entirely possible we see elite specs allow for usage of different armor tiers.

People are so hung up on bringing back classes from gw1 as elite specs directly. As in they think it needs to be skill for skill, lore for lore. But really they could introduce dervish spec under a different name. We see elements brought over from gw1 into classes that don’t share the names whatsoever already with for example, guardian spirit weapons obviously reflecting gw1 spirits.

I agree with the bit I bolded from your statement. I am not, which is why I said in my original post “Modified Dervish that is similar to what the original GW’s 1 was with the usual GW’s 2 flair.” I also said I wasn’t going to say it needs this or that cause I believe they can make it fine without my input if they were to do so. =-)

Not sure on the different armors tho. I think not as they are what make each profession what they are. But you could be right.

Justine.6351:

The only template they need to use to bring gw1 dervish over to gw2 is:

• Medium speed 2handed melee
• Mass access to soft boons (swift/vigor/might/ect.)
• Gated access to hard boons (protection/fury/aegis/ect.)
• Boon Sacrificing and a reason to do so

The only class to place this, that would open it up more, would probably be Mesmer. I would have suggested ele too, but a 2hander on a class without weapon swap is a hard thing to sell when it already has a strong 1hander with a strong melee attack range.

Yeah I agree with the fact that it would be hard without weapon swap for Ele.

I also agree with the 4 items you specify. And unless they do bring in a Scythe the only weapons currently that would work would be the Hammer or a Melee Staff

Katsuragi.4026:

If I wanted to shapeshift, I’d be playing WoW. No, thanks.

But there is Shapeshifting in this game.

Norn can shapeshift.

Necros can shapeshift.

Its already an established fact and lore in the GW’s universe going back to GW’s 1’s Dervish.

Sorry to ruin that for you.

I’d Like Shield to come to the Ranger next in all honesty.

Under a DPS Title, I mean shield could be used as a offensive weapon in its own unique way, With not shapeshifting, but unity with the pet

The Ranger becomes one with the pet, growing aesthetics from the pets, u’d still choose the Pet u are united with outside combat / before pvp starts though like u do now.. but the pet with be more spiritual.

Like, if u take Bristleback u’ll have Spikes grow from ur Back which use for Power Mid Ranged Damage

Or the Wolf will give u Increased Run speed and Fear Utilities

Ur main attack u get from ur Pet will Replace your elite spell, so each one will give u a different elite, and your 4 and 5 will be ur main new abilities from that pet, so each Category of Pet will give you a Different combination of skills (reduction to 1 pet cause if 4 was decided by 1 and 5 the other it’d introduce too many variables to get right or even design)

the Utilities to come with think should be Physicals.

this would allow the Ranger to have a lot of control over what its taking into combat, also could be designed to fit PvE PvP and WvW in one bundle depending on the pets, I mean maybe not a different skill for EVERY pet.. but catagories prolly wouldn’t be too difficult to design it around or group a number of them to condense the benefits so only 5 different catagories come up as u can choose from and rather a distinctive pet as much as things “bear Wolf Bristleback Wyvern Spider or Shark”.

I think it’d be coolto have additions which didn’t bring the pet, as a physical AI.. but keep it involved as the theme,

think it’d be cooler then just a shapeshifter atleast c:.. but I don’t know if anet would invest this much design haha

Wow that’s a fairly unique suggestion for sure. And interesting. Your right tho. Anet would not invest in it tho cause its Ranger. LOL

Hopefully Dervish tho.