Guild Wars 2

Axe design is lovely, but in practise it’s to slow. I especially feel this in pvp. When i finally get spitblade off, the animation (cast time on it), make the enemy win. 1+2 being both slow skills, are to easy for enemy to predict in pvp, and basically puts no pressure. The only time spitblade works properly is on downed people, and that is ironic. So i think animation cleanup is in order for axe.

PvE on my ranger is really easy after the pet HP buff, my Fern Hound (tanky little kitten with use of that F2) can tank 2-3 vets at one time, and then Beary Bearington can hold off an entire kittening army by himself for a good time, easily long enough for me to heal him 2-3 times (healing spring).

Gave us a lot of utility… if only our utility skills weren’t totally lame…

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Combo finishers, (with trait every skill is combo finisher and auto attack dual GARANTEED finisher), crazy. And you got a superior blast finisher every 10 sec.
Aoe damage. 3x F1 (or more with cd reduction), + 3x skill nr 3 = massive damage, while barrage does a lot of damage, the amount of control, and over time pressure really can’t keep up with this. Aoe = warrior wins.
Hybrid fully viable. Go conditions? With burning you’ll kick butt (and pin down, 6x bleed!), go power? works. Go hybrid work. While SB is more the counter part to it, it sucks incredible compared to warrior LB in this regard.

Yeah I enjoy doing that on my warrior as well BUT, the reason I rolled a Ranger and I am slowly turning it into my main is because if I want to be an archer, I don’t want to be throwing bombs like warrior #3 and burning the floor to be viable, I want to be an archer that hits hard with arrows from far and for that, ranger is far superior. I can go to Orr and wander around killing mobs with the bow before my pet reaches them… on a warrior you can’t really kill things with the bow fast enough unless you waste cooldowns.

Besides, is very inefficient to build for conditions to apply only 1 or 2 conditions… warrior only have fire (and an unsustainable bleeding). I tried a condi warrior long time ago and it was such a huge disappointment compared to classes that can place 3-4 different conditions. It’s not worth it.

I would still call the Ranger the best range class (even thought it still has room for improvement).

Mesket.5728:

I would still call the Ranger the best range class (even thought it still has room for improvement).

The fact we are even entertaining this question shows there is indeed a very big problem with the state of Rangers at the moment.

Sicarius.4639:

Mesket.5728:

I would still call the Ranger the best range class (even thought it still has room for improvement).

The fact we are even entertaining this question shows there is indeed a very big problem with the state of Rangers at the moment.

Yes, you are right. Can’t disagree on this one.

I recall WoW Warlocks forum and the eternal whines no matter how OP they were, it was an habit they get used to. I’m afraid this might happen to the rangers, some blindly put more focus on what others do than what they are capable of doing.

I have 3 questions.

1) How do you explain to the bulk of new Rangers that the bow they WANT to use makes PvE leveling twice as hard as using melee weapons?

2) How do you explain that it makes no difference what pet you use because they are usually all dead in the first few seconds or their attacks are easily avoided?

3)How do you explain to new Rangers that they need to reach level 80 before they even consider trying a dungeon because of AOE damage?

Warriors 100% finisher on LB AA is bug from range trait, not intended. Stop spreading BS.

Mesket.5728:

Sicarius.4639:

Mesket.5728:

I would still call the Ranger the best range class (even thought it still has room for improvement).

The fact we are even entertaining this question shows there is indeed a very big problem with the state of Rangers at the moment.

Yes, you are right. Can’t disagree on this one.

I recall WoW Warlocks forum and the eternal whines no matter how OP they were, it was an habit they get used to. I’m afraid this might happen to the rangers, some blindly put more focus on what others do than what they are capable of doing.

Nope, Warlocks were complaining for a similar reason rangers are complaining now. Affliction warlocks were extremely strong. Destruction, and demonology warlocks were not. Its the lack of viability for different builds that many people are upset about. Rangers are perfectly viable with a ranged pet, while using Sword/Horn/X in PvE, they are perfectly viable in PvP with Spirit Bunker build. But, not everyone wants to play Sword/Horn/X. Some of us want to play with a longbow and be viable. Some of us want to use the Great sword for sustained damage.

Your comparison was spot on, but not for the reason you think.

Source : Level 85 destruction warlock that never felt loved…. (don’t know about this recent expansion… quit)

I will also add, warlock pets had very strong survivability, and there was not the giant AOE presence in WoW (besides Wrath, but that was player based not boss based).

For Gods sake, my imp could survive a warrior for like 10 seconds.

Another Edit: I wanted my Fel Hound to devour, he devoured. Right away. He was a loyal minion. Not like Cassablanca….s*** head jungle stalker.

Terkov.4138:

Warriors 100% finisher on LB AA is bug from range trait, not intended. Stop spreading BS.

Bug or not, it is the game we ARE playing, not the game we imagine it should be.

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

Mesket.5728:

Sicarius.4639:

Mesket.5728:

I would still call the Ranger the best range class (even thought it still has room for improvement).

The fact we are even entertaining this question shows there is indeed a very big problem with the state of Rangers at the moment.

Yes, you are right. Can’t disagree on this one.

I recall WoW Warlocks forum and the eternal whines no matter how OP they were, it was an habit they get used to. I’m afraid this might happen to the rangers, some blindly put more focus on what others do than what they are capable of doing.

Nope, Warlocks were complaining for a similar reason rangers are complaining now.

See Rangers? even if the reasons are the same, look how it goes after… years after and the hurt remains lol complaining about the class in another game forum.

Mesket.5728:

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

Mesket.5728:

Sicarius.4639:

Mesket.5728:

I would still call the Ranger the best range class (even thought it still has room for improvement).

The fact we are even entertaining this question shows there is indeed a very big problem with the state of Rangers at the moment.

Yes, you are right. Can’t disagree on this one.

I recall WoW Warlocks forum and the eternal whines no matter how OP they were, it was an habit they get used to. I’m afraid this might happen to the rangers, some blindly put more focus on what others do than what they are capable of doing.

Nope, Warlocks were complaining for a similar reason rangers are complaining now.

See Rangers? even if the reasons are the same, look how it goes after… years after and the hurt remains lol complaining about the class in another game forum.

Didn’t you bring up Warlocks? Wow….you need a bit more insight before you try and write something.

You are just starting to sound like a fool now.

Nike.2631:

Terkov.4138:

Warriors 100% finisher on LB AA is bug from range trait, not intended. Stop spreading BS.

Bug or not, it is the game we ARE playing, not the game we imagine it should be.

If you are going to play what is here and now, then have fun rerolling every major update. Balance is one thing, but if bugs are thing that make class strong, then it’s pretty stupid to go play this class.

to all our ranger friends who have Problems with the sword autoattack –
Strg, mouse rightclick on swordskill #1 – Problem solved
ist easier to control when press 1 by yourself

I think all question were asked but i have one
Why is the signet of the wild not instant like the other Signets?

Vaxx.3178:

Mesket.5728:

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

Mesket.5728:

Sicarius.4639:

Mesket.5728:

I would still call the Ranger the best range class (even thought it still has room for improvement).

The fact we are even entertaining this question shows there is indeed a very big problem with the state of Rangers at the moment.

Yes, you are right. Can’t disagree on this one.

I recall WoW Warlocks forum and the eternal whines no matter how OP they were, it was an habit they get used to. I’m afraid this might happen to the rangers, some blindly put more focus on what others do than what they are capable of doing.

Nope, Warlocks were complaining for a similar reason rangers are complaining now.

See Rangers? even if the reasons are the same, look how it goes after… years after and the hurt remains lol complaining about the class in another game forum.

Didn’t you bring up Warlocks? Wow….you need a bit more insight before you try and write something.

You are just starting to sound like a fool now.

No, I’m sorry. I did not bring warlocks problems to the forums. I bring the horrible warlock habit that is getting started here as well. I compared both communities but I didn’t start a discussion on warlock issues on wow. I thought it didn’t needed an explanation but there is always someone zpezial.

Terkov.4138:

Warriors 100% finisher on LB AA is bug from range trait, not intended. Stop spreading BS.

If it’s a bug then why hasn’t it been fixed for over a year? And even IF this is a but, skill 2 can give 3x garanteed projectile finisher (SB counter part has 0 finishers incorporated), blast finisher every 10 sec, and 4-5 wich are semi-spammable/timing possible are garanteed finishers.

Durzlla.6295:

PvE on my ranger is really easy after the pet HP buff, my Fern Hound (tanky little kitten with use of that F2) can tank 2-3 vets at one time, and then Beary Bearington can hold off an entire kittening army by himself for a good time, easily long enough for me to heal him 2-3 times (healing spring).

Gave us a lot of utility… if only our utility skills weren’t totally lame…

Honestly I’m not expecting much, but maybe he can stop telling people to Bearbow…

1. Why isn’t the ranger sword fixed? Everyone is tired of dealing with the lock up. We’re tired of it kicking targets around too. I’m tired of turning off auto-attack and smashing one all day.

2. Do you run any beast mastery oriented builds in fotm 48+ or dungeons?

3. Are you able to keep your pet alive without fail at Tequatl without putting him on passive or constantly pulling him out of aggro?

4. Why can’t rangers and/or pets attack things like the gargoyle heads in AC or the bonewall at tequatl? More often than not I have to suffer with kitten dps because my pet is doing nothing. I also have to cycle through weapons to figure out what I can hit objects with.

“Guildwars2: Just a quick reminder: This is a beginner’s PvE guide, not a “Troll and air your grievances hour”

That’s what greeted me when I logged into the twitch channel. I guess they’ve read the thread

Mesket.5728:

Vaxx.3178:

Mesket.5728:

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

Mesket.5728:

Sicarius.4639:

Mesket.5728:

I would still call the Ranger the best range class (even thought it still has room for improvement).

The fact we are even entertaining this question shows there is indeed a very big problem with the state of Rangers at the moment.

Yes, you are right. Can’t disagree on this one.

I recall WoW Warlocks forum and the eternal whines no matter how OP they were, it was an habit they get used to. I’m afraid this might happen to the rangers, some blindly put more focus on what others do than what they are capable of doing.

Nope, Warlocks were complaining for a similar reason rangers are complaining now.

See Rangers? even if the reasons are the same, look how it goes after… years after and the hurt remains lol complaining about the class in another game forum.

Didn’t you bring up Warlocks? Wow….you need a bit more insight before you try and write something.

You are just starting to sound like a fool now.

No, I’m sorry. I did not bring warlocks problems to the forums. I bring the horrible warlock habit that is getting started here as well. I compared both communities but I didn’t start a discussion on warlock issues on wow. I thought it didn’t needed an explanation but there is always someone zpezial.

You brought up a comparison, I refuted the comparison. As soon as the comparison no longer met your needs you threw it aside.

That’s called an argument. You lost.

Rangers can use some help. Are they the broken in half class some people claim? Depends. Are you willing to change how you want to play in order to meet the meta? In this case no. If you want to play how you WANT to play, like this game was marketed, than yes.

Good luck Devs. Show the under performing portions of this class some love, and you will have a loyal customer out of me.

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

You brought up a comparison, I refuted the comparison. As soon as the comparison no longer met your needs you threw it aside.

That’s called an argument. You lost.

wat? lol ok, I never compared and I never used it as an statement for any point so I hardly see any argument. I just made a comment of how whiners warlocks were (this is not to argue, it is a fact. Go back to the forums and read from 2005 to 2009, can’t tell after that). So… ehmmm…. yeah you win (O.o)! there are cookies on that table, take one; you clearly deserve it (?)

Mesket.5728:

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

You brought up a comparison, I refuted the comparison. As soon as the comparison no longer met your needs you threw it aside.

That’s called an argument. You lost.

wat? lol ok, I never compared and I never used it as an statement for any point so I hardly see any argument. I just made a comment of how whiners warlocks were (this is not to argue, it is a fact. Go back to the forums and read from 2005 to 2009, can’t tell after that). So… ehmmm…. yeah you win (O.o)! there are cookies on that table, take one; you clearly deserve it (?)

You compared this forums to the warlock forums.

Maybe there was a miscommunication.

Awesome screen. To be fair, for solo levelling, I would still put bows ahead of melee weapons primary (nice to have on swap though) because ranged is safer than melee for a new player. On the other hand it’s also nice to learn how to dodge early, I suppose!

I don’t think melee being strong is a problem, I’m so glad that they decided on a class that can use both styles to great effect. They just need to bump the ranged side a bit to get them to the same level of great. Honestly, the only major problem I see is the buffs range situation with the longbow.

Amethyst Lure.5624:

I don’t think melee being strong is a problem, I’m so glad that they decided on a class that can use both styles to great effect. They just need to bump the ranged side a bit to get them to the same level of great. Honestly, the only major problem I see is the buffs range situation with the longbow.

I’d say it was necessary given we’re not that mobile when you think about how agile other classes are. If being at range was our only plus we’d be absolutely screwed. Think about how skills and abilities each class has to close the gap and think about how many we have to open gaps.

Not to mention WvW where it’s zerg vs zerg with commanders screaming at you to stand together no matter how much it might kitten you.

Doing melee damaging is definitely something we want, plus it stops gameplay from being one dimensional.

Well… nothing got answered besides something may happen to make pets slightly more defensive.

Well at least we finally know our role/niche… we’re the official pet class of GW2. And a year into the game and those pets still don’t work. Lovely.

Well, at the very least he showed current best and most used weapons, utilities, traits, runes, etc. Therefore, it could be helpful to new or struggling rangers.

I really would have liked to see him address the ranged ranger and learn why the archetypal ranger is not really supported well in the game at this time

Boooooooo anet

Its amazing to me he said that the longbow is pretty much garbage and that new players should just move on from it.

kitten i’m out of the loop. What’s the link i can use to watch this later?

Atherakhia.4086:

Well at least we finally know our role/niche… we’re the official pet class of GW2. And a year into the game and those pets still don’t work. Lovely.

It sounds cool on paper to split stats between you and a pet, and that you can focus on one thing, while your pet does something different, but, it only sounds cool on paper. In actual execution, it suffers, because of the nature of the gameplay itself (which is very heavily movement based). For some people, They are only half of their class 3/4ths of the time because their pet is always dead. For other people(like, everyone in WvW), the pet is always ignored, and you go straight for the ranger. I guess going all DPS while having a defensive pet worked out for you really well, huh?

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

Its amazing to me he said that the longbow is pretty much garbage and that new players should just move on from it.

did he seriously say that?!? I didn’t start watching until near the end of the stream, and there is nothing that makes me want to go watch the whole thing.

If they know the ranger down sides (pets not dodging and unless shouts) why don’t they fix our freaking class mechanic lol

lol he said LB was garbage? I have to agree that unless you can keep enemies at range in PvE, it IS. But in events, like the current LS ones, that LB is powerful, especially since you can safely fire from a distance into enemies. And in WvW, it is one of the best tower defense weapons there is (along with the Necro staff).

He didn’t say it was garbage. He said it’s best used at long ranges which could limit your ability to give and receive boons in groups that aren’t also ranged focus. All in all it was informative and new rangers will def benefit from it.

Edit: On a side note, he’s comments about active pet management are dead on.

Here is the link to watch it.
http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/b/475601031

He said one of the things that hinders LB is that you have to be at max range to maximize it damage but max range will put you out of range of many party buffs. Catch 22 huh. He prefers to run SB on zerk builds.

gamemaster.7154:

Durzlla.6295:

PvE on my ranger is really easy after the pet HP buff, my Fern Hound (tanky little kitten with use of that F2) can tank 2-3 vets at one time, and then Beary Bearington can hold off an entire kittening army by himself for a good time, easily long enough for me to heal him 2-3 times (healing spring).

Gave us a lot of utility… if only our utility skills weren’t totally lame…

Are owls passé?

I thought the video was well done. Did it solve our problems? No, but it was a guide not a solution set. Overall, it was good to hear that directionally they have a vision of the ranger as a pet class. Wish that would quickly translate to some help there.

did he answer any questions?

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Are owls passé?
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Lol your owl looks like it photo bombed you.

RyuDragnier.9476:

lol he said LB was garbage? I have to agree that unless you can keep enemies at range in PvE, it IS. But in events, like the current LS ones, that LB is powerful, especially since you can safely fire from a distance into enemies. And in WvW, it is one of the best tower defense weapons there is (along with the Necro staff).

Thing about the LB in PvE though, if you need to have it out long enough to get past the initial barrage + rapid fire burst then you probably should be at max range. I only spend a lot of time auto attacking with a ranged weapon when I’m waiting for a heal recharge and my party isn’t healing in melee at all. In that case I’m usually far enough where the LB has just about the most ranged DPS you could ask for.

whyme.3281:

did he answer any questions?

He answered as a politician, in a very vague way, resuming that is the Q&A part:

Q: What is the ranger niche in the game?
A: Ranger is the pet class.

Q: What is your favorite pets?
A: We are many people and we like many pets, I personally like cats and spiders.

Q: Pets can have evades?
A: The way the game is now it is a difficult thing, but we are looking in ways to add a defensive mechanic for the pet when you dodge or in another way, we are always looking to make the pet better in the game.

If you don’t like or have twitch you can check on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8uGM1CGV8g

snow.8097:

to all our ranger friends who have Problems with the sword autoattack –
Strg, mouse rightclick on swordskill #1 – Problem solved
ist easier to control when press 1 by yourself

I think all question were asked but i have one
Why is the signet of the wild not instant like the other Signets?

Not really either you must press 1 slower then the actual attack speed (and loose dps), to be able to interrupt it in time, or you keep spamming 1 (habit, easy), and you end up queueing the 1 skill at least 2 time (sometimes 3 times) in the future. Even IF you stop pressing 1, if you pressed it faster then the attack speed, the next attack will be queued and happen no matter if you stop pressing the button, thus rooting you, thus probably killing you cause you can’t dodge in time. That is my experience. There is no ‘wild card’ with ‘keep full dps, but don’t loose evaison’, on sword.

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

Its amazing to me he said that the longbow is pretty much garbage and that new players should just move on from it.

This.
Yay for “unparalled archers” !

I hope he doesn’t give too many secrets away… I like being one of the few rangers that can deal unearthly amounts of damage. If he tells to much, Rangers will be in for another nerf. The reality is rangers do more damage than most classes, but you have to think less linearly to see it. The developers know this because they have programs to analyse raw damage behind the scenes. You’d have to combine your condition damage with your raw damage, with the damage increase you give to your friends, to really see what is happening. In the end of a long fight, on a smart team, ranger damage is very very high. I don’t believe full zerker is the way to do this, either. Not even close.

One more note, individual DPS is far less important than team dps. Selfish builds are inherently nerfed for being selfish. It’s better to decrease your damage by 150, if you can give each teammate +100 damage. The build system is full of these wonderful enigmas. Must I nerf my own damage to boost my team? Say it ain’t so!

Rym.1469:

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

Its amazing to me he said that the longbow is pretty much garbage and that new players should just move on from it.

This.
Yay for “unparalled archers” !

…and then when you get really good you should revisit it!

Check out some of the proposed changes for Dec. 15~

Ranger longbow auto attack is getting a proposed +20% damage at short range, +15% and medium range.

Warrior longbow burst skill is getting a reduction in direct damage.

Great fixes. Should go a ways towards rectifying the imbalance between Ranger and Warrior archery some of us were well aware of.

(I have 80s of both classes – my warrior can take the hit and keep on truckin’, my ranger might actually pull that longbow out of their bags again after the patch…)

Enable the pet to dodge as well when player dodge? Settle AOE problem xD

anet,

please.

continue on with pve / pvp skill split already.

yLoon.5289:

Enable the pet to dodge as well when player dodge? Settle AOE problem xD

Ohh this would be interesting to see if they can implement it or not….