Guild Wars 2

Been playing ranger in dungeon and gotten used to the sword lock cancel and all that but i can’t help to think of how bad it feels having to deal with sword auto. I recently made a thief and it feels refreshing being able to move your character anyway you like while swinging, being locked in place just ruins the flow of combat for me.

Rangers already have to deal with alot of obnoxious things like clunky pets that can totally ruin your day or the fact that it can be easily killed in certain boss encounter effectively putting your dps on par with a phantasmless mesmer, its not right that players have to cope with this sword lock crap.

to be honest i like it and i don’t use it often. let me elborate in pve i don’t mind in a duel.
i use it to hit air fighting a thief if the chains start i know the thief is there. you do that with the other class. fighting a ranger that is pewing pewing from distance no problemo target ranger hit the pet leap to the ranger. i gues how use sword i noticed in duel i only the sword for that and when everything is on cd mostly i swap weps everything is on cd. i am edit is when i got bit more time :p

I hate it. I’ve adjusted to using it for certain builds but I will never enjoy it. I keep hoping that 1 day they will remove the leaps from the auto change and instead give the #2 skill on sword 2 forward leaps instead of hornet’s sting being a backwards leap. Maybe extend the time available to activate monarchs leap as well.

This would still make the sword “sticky” but would greatly improve the fluidity of combat. It would also improve the mobility of the weapon since you you wouldn’t have to rely on the buggy about face function.

It’s a love-hate relationship.

Try to remove all the crap like auto target and auto attack (ctrl + right mouse) and it will not lock you, sword is a very interesting weapon, with some practice it can be really enjoyable.

I actually like it. It’s basically 2 free leaps not to mention the added cripple in there.

It’s great to have when your foes decide they want to run away, and then you’re like.. “hurpa, murpa, durp!” Leaping like a kitten frog.

Also, it’s good for locking on thieves / mesmers when they decide to stealth, and hide.

Also, the might stacks are really beneficial to pets when paired with Rampage As One.

I love it and I don’t want to see it change.

It’s a ton of fun locking onto a target (like a Mesmer) then hitting ‘1’ while you’re walking to them, your first two attacks will initiate on their clones then you’ll fly out of their clone-pack with “Pounce,” hitting them in the face.

Lazze.9870:

It’s a love-hate relationship.

Pretty much this.

It’s obviously annoying when you’re trying to dodge or move and it’s that bit more difficult / slow to do it because your character is going yolo at the enemy and doesn’t want to stop.

But then when I go only my Mesmer or Theif (where I use a sword on both) it’s suddenly very noticable how much more easily my oppenents can avoid my attacks and run around / through you. For all its frustation the Ranger sword does prevent that to a very large degree so… Yeah.

More trouble than it’s worth. No class needs the mechanic to be successful. I’m convinced it only exists because the attack animation looks stupid without it.

It should be removed imo.

I prefer it to every other melee autoattack in the game. That being said, the other melee weapons in the game don’t rely on just their autoattack for a damage rotation, so yeah. The Sword needs it’s “homing” lock on capabilities (PvP perspective) since the other two attacks are really pure utility.

Going from that though, if the functionality was shifted around so the Autoattack wasn’t so “unique” that it has a ridiculous learning curve for an auto, but does have the same “lock on and constantly pressure a single target while being able to engage, disengage, and defensively evade” playstyle (I literally call it the Ali theme), I think it would be an all around better change.

Still, I do personally love the sword. It’s a unique variation and has strong utility capabilities. But I can see past my liking of the weapon to understand it’s faults and support changes.

It’s sort of like doing parkour, minus the bouncing off the cliffs and splatting part.

Lazze.9870:

It’s a love-hate relationship.

Yup.

Either it lets you absolutely destroy something or you get absolutely destroyed by it haha. Being able to latch onto a stealthed thief or mesmer is pretty fantastic, and the damage it deals… well, it’s not small in terms of numbers :P

It’s a niche commitment weapon. There’s no going back once you enter combat, but you’re a menace while attacking. I think giving dodge rolls priority would probably be the only way I’d want it changed. It has a fun style to it and can function very nicely when used properly.

I love it. I hated it for a long time but once I eventually learned how to use it (from PvP) my opinion changed completely. I’m glad anet has stuck to their guns about it.

Depends.

PvE: Nope.
PvP: So much yes.

sminkiottone.6972:

Try to remove all the crap like auto target and auto attack (ctrl + right mouse) and it will not lock you, sword is a very interesting weapon, with some practice it can be really enjoyable.

interesting = broken

From a PVP point of view being able to position you’re character is 100% better than landing a few extra auto attacks.
At this point I would settle for just being able to DODGE ROLL WHILE AUTO ATTACKING PLS. Sheeeesh

Yes, I love the sword auto chain. It gives the class a unique feeling and playstyle, and you actually have to learn how to use it. You can’t just spam 1 and you’re done. It’s probably the best thing of the class.

HHR LostProphet.4801:

sminkiottone.6972:

Try to remove all the crap like auto target and auto attack (ctrl + right mouse) and it will not lock you, sword is a very interesting weapon, with some practice it can be really enjoyable.

interesting = broken

Broken = L2p

I love it for everything except stacking

I wouldn’t mind it if the leaps either had evasion frames…as if you were in a dodge roll, or if you could actually break the animation by manually dodge rolling. I never understood the complaints about this until I recently rolled a ranger…not being able to dodge on demand is obnoxious. I’m also not a big fan of it leaping me out of melee range/into an unintended spot, when my target dies….breaking a melee stack..soaring off into bfe in a pve encounter is bad.

All that being said, the 1h sword is my preferred weapon on a ranger so far…I just want more control of my character and more multi target melee on it.

Only time I use sword is for 2 and 3, aa likes to get sticky and refuses to let go more times than not. Damage is nice though, but I hate the rooted animation.

i absolutely despise the sword AA

i know the sword is a good weapon, but i will never use it because the AA is so bad. it’s a dead weapon to me and the AA is the only reason why.

its like a beautiful salad, i like salad, this one is well made, it has a good blend of balance in citrus and savory and crispy sweetness. except at the end someone decided to poor a bunch of melted american cheese on it (that’s the Auto Attack rooting) and ruined the entire thing.

there have been a lot of threads asking arena net for salad that doesn’t have melted fake cheese poured all over it, and a lot of fondue enthusiast that say they like the cheese part the most. i’m of the former group, get that crap off my rangers sword and let me enjoy it for once.

i like it. It is different. It is not a simple “slice” “slash” “stab” or combination of these while you run at your target, it is slightly different.

Spices things up, also the movement is really nice and fluent.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

HHR LostProphet.4801:

sminkiottone.6972:

Try to remove all the crap like auto target and auto attack (ctrl + right mouse) and it will not lock you, sword is a very interesting weapon, with some practice it can be really enjoyable.

interesting = broken

Broken = L2p

L2P calling = stupidity. Do you know how or how good I play? Do you know anything about me? So who are you to judge my skills? I can handle sword, I still say it’s broken.
It’s broken because it offers few advantages at the expense of many disadvantages.

It’s working as intended I really doesn’t matter if I like it. There are really no drawbacks to this weapon once you learn to use it correctly hence why the learn to play comments.

Rangers who choose not to use this intentionally limit their selves. The 1h sword is one of our highest dps weapons.

There is a video highlighting some great things with this weapon learn how to do all the thing shown. Even if you don’t like the weapon master it.

We have a low ceiling weapon and a high ceiling one both are more than they appear at first glance.

I don’t care for it, so I keep my mouth shut and use the great sword.

I’m going to get bashed as hell for this but, ironically (hold on with me here), the ranger’s sword is the least mobile weapon in the game, in the sense that all of the attacks of the sword, besides the 1st on the AA chain, are locked in an animation, regardless whether it performs a dodge or not, you cannot move (with WASD!) or either strafe (absolutely key on pvp), it’s all animation queues. It’s almost another way to play the game, yet to me, it feels greatly detached from it, it’s just something else, like it doesn’t belong to it.

To sum up, no, I don’t like it, no matter how effective it can be if used with ‘skill’. I am and always will be a promoter of all skills in the game being able to be used while on the move (while properly balanced of course and with the exception maybe of straight leaps such as savage leap), like hundred blades, pistol whip, blurred frenzy, whirling defense… you name it. I was so happy when they changed whirling wrath to just that!

Khenzy.9348:

the ranger’s sword is the least mobile weapon in the game, in the sense that all of the attacks of the sword, besides the 1st on the AA chain, are locked in an animation, regardless whether it performs a dodge or not, you cannot move (with WASD!) or either strafe (absolutely key on pvp), it’s all animation queues.

ctrl+right click swords auto attack. you are welcome.

And while im at it, turn off auto targeting aswell…

Ranger sword is garbage, no matter how beep boop optimal dps it is. I have no idea how this happened, considering four other professions can use a sword and all their skills are perfectly functional, but there you go.

Justine.6351:

Khenzy.9348:

the ranger’s sword is the least mobile weapon in the game, in the sense that all of the attacks of the sword, besides the 1st on the AA chain, are locked in an animation, regardless whether it performs a dodge or not, you cannot move (with WASD!) or either strafe (absolutely key on pvp), it’s all animation queues.

ctrl+right click swords auto attack. you are welcome.

And while im at it, turn off auto targeting aswell…

That doesn’t change a single thing of what he just said…

Jim Hunter.6821:

Justine.6351:

Khenzy.9348:

the ranger’s sword is the least mobile weapon in the game, in the sense that all of the attacks of the sword, besides the 1st on the AA chain, are locked in an animation, regardless whether it performs a dodge or not, you cannot move (with WASD!) or either strafe (absolutely key on pvp), it’s all animation queues.

ctrl+right click swords auto attack. you are welcome.

And while im at it, turn off auto targeting aswell…

That doesn’t change a single thing of what he just said…

Not to mention removing the auto attack also lowers DPS which is a heavy price to pay just so a weapon is functional.

This is a basic form follows function debate. ANet likely found the animation looks silly without the leaps and instead of making the weapon functional first, they found a way to make the animations work.

I can’t think of any other reason this singular skill has this type of mechanic built into it.

You can argue a lot here but one thing is for certain.

Arenanet made a huge (!) mistake adding it to ranger which has no other main hand option for melee and in general just 2 melee weapons.

If they did something like that for warrior where you have like 4 other things to chose from it would have been no problem at all. With ranger it is just a pain in the kitten fo the people that don’t like it (which apparently are quite a few) because it is not that they could pick another melee mainhand.

People complaining about about sword should advocate for more GS buffs, just sayin’.

Sarision.6347:

People complaining about about sword should advocate for more GS buffs, just sayin’.

No. They should be advocating for a main-hand dagger or other one-handed melee weapon. The big value of the MH sword – which GS will never be able to replace – is the power of Off-hand options available to it. Rangers have excellent Off-hand weapons, but must choose between a clunky (but good) MH Sword or a rather situational/lackluster ranged Axe to make use of these.

At the end of the day, more MH options would be much appreciated.

HHR LostProphet.4801:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

HHR LostProphet.4801:

sminkiottone.6972:

Try to remove all the crap like auto target and auto attack (ctrl + right mouse) and it will not lock you, sword is a very interesting weapon, with some practice it can be really enjoyable.

interesting = broken

Broken = L2p

L2P calling = stupidity. Do you know how or how good I play? Do you know anything about me? So who are you to judge my skills? I can handle sword, I still say it’s broken.
It’s broken because it offers few advantages at the expense of many disadvantages.

i know you have less then 1400 achievement points and have been around this game for over 3/4th of a year by now (forum history).

We do know something about you indeed.

Prysin.8542:

HHR LostProphet.4801:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

HHR LostProphet.4801:

sminkiottone.6972:

Try to remove all the crap like auto target and auto attack (ctrl + right mouse) and it will not lock you, sword is a very interesting weapon, with some practice it can be really enjoyable.

interesting = broken

Broken = L2p

L2P calling = stupidity. Do you know how or how good I play? Do you know anything about me? So who are you to judge my skills? I can handle sword, I still say it’s broken.
It’s broken because it offers few advantages at the expense of many disadvantages.

i know you have less then 1400 achievement points and have been around this game for over 3/4th of a year by now (forum history).

We do know something about you indeed.

Aw snap, he dropped your achievement points! Cuz nothing says skill like achievement points. I bet yours aren’t high enough to run a dungeon with him….

Prysin.8542:

HHR LostProphet.4801:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

HHR LostProphet.4801:

sminkiottone.6972:

Try to remove all the crap like auto target and auto attack (ctrl + right mouse) and it will not lock you, sword is a very interesting weapon, with some practice it can be really enjoyable.

interesting = broken

Broken = L2p

L2P calling = stupidity. Do you know how or how good I play? Do you know anything about me? So who are you to judge my skills? I can handle sword, I still say it’s broken.
It’s broken because it offers few advantages at the expense of many disadvantages.

i know you have less then 1400 achievement points and have been around this game for over 3/4th of a year by now (forum history).

We do know something about you indeed.

Then look for my main account, which can’t post on this forums anymore: xXxOrcaxXx.9328 (EU)
Feel free to ping me ingame if you don’t believe me.

Duke Blackrose.4981:

Sarision.6347:

People complaining about about sword should advocate for more GS buffs, just sayin’.

No. They should be advocating for a main-hand dagger or other one-handed melee weapon. The big value of the MH sword – which GS will never be able to replace – is the power of Off-hand options available to it. Rangers have excellent Off-hand weapons, but must choose between a clunky (but good) MH Sword or a rather situational/lackluster ranged Axe to make use of these.

At the end of the day, more MH options would be much appreciated.

My thoughts exactly. I don’t mind the sword staying as it is, but the ranger is in need of a second MH melee option.

Love it in sPvP, hate it in PvE.

Just felt the need to point out that, despite what everyone says, it is NOT working as intended.

On release, when people were complaining about the sword auto rooting us, Anet adamantly denied any such thing happened. Dodge always broke the animation, as well as using any directional key.

The userbase provided video proving this was untrue, and we were told they would work on it.

After months of talking about it, including Mr. Peters claiming that fixes were coming, a couple of times, they’ve instead decided it was a feature, not a bug.

Just wanted that out there, for all the L2P people, since, indeed, this was NOT how the sword auto was meant to work – it’s just unavoidable with the leap animation.

Azure.8670:

I love it for everything except stacking

Exactly! This drives me crazy. Anyone have tips to overcome this. It never fails when stacking I end up flying all over the place if the mob isn’t right on top of me.

Yeah, I use GS when positioning is critical in mob stack (Cliffside). Otherwise just keep hitting “target closest” hotkey repeatedly. You’ll leap outta the fight once in a while, then right back in. You can also turn auto targeting on, but it usually messes me up, so I avoid it most of the time.

Archon.6480:

Yeah, I use GS when positioning is critical in mob stack (Cliffside). Otherwise just keep hitting “target closest” hotkey repeatedly. You’ll leap outta the fight once in a while, then right back in. You can also turn auto targeting on, but it usually messes me up, so I avoid it most of the time.

Thanks! I’ll give that a go.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Prysin.8542:

HHR LostProphet.4801:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

HHR LostProphet.4801:

sminkiottone.6972:

Try to remove all the crap like auto target and auto attack (ctrl + right mouse) and it will not lock you, sword is a very interesting weapon, with some practice it can be really enjoyable.

interesting = broken

Broken = L2p

L2P calling = stupidity. Do you know how or how good I play? Do you know anything about me? So who are you to judge my skills? I can handle sword, I still say it’s broken.
It’s broken because it offers few advantages at the expense of many disadvantages.

i know you have less then 1400 achievement points and have been around this game for over 3/4th of a year by now (forum history).

We do know something about you indeed.

Aw snap, he dropped your achievement points! Cuz nothing says skill like achievement points. I bet yours aren’t high enough to run a dungeon with him….

I hear playing WvW/SPVP nets you mad achievement points

Viking Jorun.5413:

Love it in sPvP, hate it in PvE.

^This.

stale.9785:

Just felt the need to point out that, despite what everyone says, it is NOT working as intended.

On release, when people were complaining about the sword auto rooting us, Anet adamantly denied any such thing happened. Dodge always broke the animation, as well as using any directional key.

The userbase provided video proving this was untrue, and we were told they would work on it.

After months of talking about it, including Mr. Peters claiming that fixes were coming, a couple of times, they’ve instead decided it was a feature, not a bug.

Just wanted that out there, for all the L2P people, since, indeed, this was NOT how the sword auto was meant to work – it’s just unavoidable with the leap animation.

2 years later…
zero interest/action from them, as usual.
Pathetic, IMO.

I’m just waiting for the day they finally do something about it and…

.. make it worse.

If ANet makes mobs move(without mobs leaving a trail of death, looking at you thrasher and Teragriff), then people will start loving mh sword.

I get excited every time when I see my character leap on a mob chasing someone else.

HHR LostProphet.4801:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

HHR LostProphet.4801:

sminkiottone.6972:

Try to remove all the crap like auto target and auto attack (ctrl + right mouse) and it will not lock you, sword is a very interesting weapon, with some practice it can be really enjoyable.

interesting = broken

Broken = L2p

L2P calling = stupidity. Do you know how or how good I play? Do you know anything about me? So who are you to judge my skills? I can handle sword, I still say it’s broken.
It’s broken because it offers few advantages at the expense of many disadvantages.

I know that when I started playing, I saw all the QQ about the Ranger best and most “hated” weapon. I could start QQ’ing as well straight away. I didn’t. Instead I listened to all the veteran ranger players that said with practice you can learn to melee every boss at the game with ranger sword.

Well guess what? I can now do it as well. After a few wipes in every boss, I know how they work, therefore I can pre-act even in those bosses where millisecs have a difference like in Archdiviner etc…

So no, the sword is not broken, it’s just different, and it’s what makes the game with a ranger more fun.

Again, “those that can, do. Those that can’t, complain.”