Guild Wars 2

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

Sicarius.4639:

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

A LOT of people will love this, and A LOT won’t. That’s just normal for this type of role reveal imo. Cut the dev some slack!

Personally: I love it. It will bring some decent new aspects to the game.

Nothing is new about a healer and a trinity.

well I meant new to GW2’s gameplay, healing wasn’t very important in GW2 so far.

Which is why I bought the game, I hated the trinity and love ranged combat. It couldn’t be further away from what I thought a marksman class would be.

Ripkord.8567:

Iam soo angry right now, in fact everyone is.

Speak for yourself, not for everyone. I assure you, “everyone” is not angry.

<3 Irenio! You made an old ranger smile

“Rangers aren’t meta qq” says the ranger subforums.

>Irenio picks up that mic like a kitten motherkittener. He’s hyped as kitten, you can hear it in his voice.
>heals everywhere
>Druid can single-handedly keep an entire raid team alive if played properly
>Massive support potential in WvW
>probably surpasses Guardian as a pvp bunker
>immobilizes out the rear end
>celestial avatar mode is the water attunement on copious amounts of steroids
>PERMA-SWIFTNESS AS A TRAIT FOR PVE
>absolutely guaranteed meta
>new pets
>WYVERNS
>SMOKESCALES THAT DROP SMOKE FIELDS AND TELEPORT
>“I’ve been going home and reading the ranger subforums almost every night and have been reading your criticisms of the base ranger class,” says Irenio. “I haven’t been able to communicate with you guys as I’ve been under nondisclosure for almost a year. I look forward to working on the base class with you guys in addition to the Druid.”

“omg our elite spec is so bad qq” says the ranger subforums.

It’s very concerning to me that druid’s are all about healing when the vast majority of the pve content doesnt require a healer. And more so that if I by any chance don’t like that play style and there isn’t a druid in the raid group (which is the only type of content in pve that requires that role), I’m forced to be a healbot.

I agree on this one, it would be nice if the idle animation was similar to human female mesmer, where they sort of plant the staff into the ground and cling to it.

phys.7689:

Hahahahahahahahhaahah dedicated healer. Really glad i waited to prepurchase. Gw2 was killed by hot

GW2 endgame was killed by the zerker meta 3 years ago. HoT will revive it.

Ripkord.8567:

Iam soo angry right now, in fact everyone is. Are you out of your mind Anet ? You just added the holy Trinity aspect that you so highly wanted to perform a new next generation plaform, but with you new Elite specialisation …you just broke the record… you did it, not only extrem NONSTOPP spamming heal and following COMBO fields attached to druid and freaking Stealth aspect and swapping stun…. IAM FREAKING SPEECHLESS!

Time for you all to rage !

Well…no…I am not “sooo angry.” I am actually pretty happy about it. To me…my own opinion…it sounds interesting and I am looking forward to it. Others will disagree with me…but opinions are just that.

Nicknobreak.7543:

Seriously, cynics be darned that was the best Elite Spec out of all of them.

It sure as hell was – +1!

Its an awesome WVW spec. Just pure awesome cake.

In sPVP it will perform well also, less so due to limited group size but I can see it doing relatively well.

In PVE its obviously not meant to fit the “zerkerz” of yesteryear, but its meant for the raids and/or upcoming content or changes coming to the content.

it does offer some flexibility, if you pick it you can basically ditch any heal / tank / cleanse / sustain traits in your other trait lines and let you concentrate those on whatever you want instead.

the utility skills likewise seem to be more focused on WVW or raids, or “zergy” SPVP play (for example courtyard map).

only place where this spec will be bad is old content, that is assuming you don’t re-arrange your other spec trait lines.

Enjoy being heal bots. Rev main now confirmed.

druid will be useless in old contents, minimal use in wvw and maybe a little usefull in expansion

quercus.9261:

just became the best support by far

No boon generation, no unique effects like banners, nothing close to what alacrity can do. No its just boring 1 note heal spam in a game where everybody can heal and they told us to come play if you don’t like having to find healers.

I really love the druid, the rangers didnt need DPS , they needed support role. You did a great job Irenio !

glad to see the zerk meta die personally, i think it’ll still hold for most of the pre-HoT content because that would require changing a ton of mechanics but I would expect anything for the future to see much more build diversity and profession diversity.

Lol unavoidable dmg and healers haha gw2 is basically standard mmo now. Took 3 years but they basically gone back on all the selling points of the game

The Druid seems to be very Strong on the Support Side on Anets Trinity while tapping in the Control Side and having also some Damage.

So no Holy Trinity

Merrex.5384:

Tragic Positive.9356:

So it’s out buys.

Druid has been confirmed to be heavy healing oriented (something that we have ever seen before) and it’s going to be super needed for new Raid environment.

And it’s looking good so far as my brainstorming goes.
I haven’t seen the exact numbers – but believe me – Druid is not disappointing.

It looks super cool and powerful at that. They took their time and their time seems to do the magic.

Yah that is good for the other people in the WvW Zerg but what about the Druid ?
Healing other people does not = Bags or WvW credit for the healer.
Do not really see how this helps Ranger in WvW.

HOLY F-Kittens, i just realized how screwed we will be if we are healbots in WvW…. ugh. Seriously we will be the main target and get melted or we will have to stay in the back and never…. EVER, get any kind of loot in WvW.

Nice…. this is gonna be even worse.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Puck.9612:

screw the glyphs, screw the staff. Going old school condi ranger with the druid trait line to be immortal in PvP. Condi’s on me? Lolz let me just drop 13 of them and full heal with celestial form/

Oh and I hope they are actually giving pets condi damage since they all seem to be so condi focused now

Settler Amulet… Wow.

Druid is going to be an absolute filthy in PvP….its gonna be a kitten for the PvP team to balance now since the healing numbers are guarnateed to be changing… theres no way healing will be allowed to be this OP in sPvP….

Tragic Positive.9356:

Ranger already is one of the highest DPS classes in PvE.

And if you watched the glyphs and traits – it’s going to be massive for PvP as well as WvW.

Also, Rangers currently have the potential to become the reason why ZerkMeta stays alive and all people might end up loving you.

I don’t see a single reason how can you guyz get disappointed! We already have all the offensive possibilities on live. This was what we needed for CC, Condi Clear, Defensive support.

We
Got
Everything
We asked of druid!

Come on! What’s wrong with you? If you want an offensive Ranger – you have access to it already. If you want any other one – you just got access to all of it with druid.

There is no place for Rangers as an offensive class in the current meta (PVP or PVE) and I don’t see it changing when HoT arrives.

I don’t see PvE getting hard enough where a dedicated healer is required/desired in most scenarios. In the few situations where healing is desired, then we’ll only be invited/desired so long as we spec as a healing Druid (i.e., join as a healbot or gtfo).

PVP is a different situation and I totally see Druid having the potential to completely turn it upside down. If Druid healing is strong enough (leaning more towards a true healbot than a support class), then a druid will be mandatory for groups but again only as a healer.

If you like the idea of only being invited as a healbot, then Druid seems like a good elite. If you don’t like healing, Druid is a disappointment.

I played resto Shaman in WoW for 5 years and while I enjoyed it, I did feel pigeonholed into playing a healer since only a few classes could heal but every class could DPS. If Druid healing is strong enough, then you will feel the pressure to play a healer whenever you’re invite to join a group.

Ripkord.8567:

Iam soo angry right now, in fact everyone is. Are you out of your mind Anet ?

You can speak for yourself please.
I am more than happy. it’s just the mindless zerker kids who cry out loud now because they will face skilled opponents now.
A-Net did the absolutely right thing to bring the bitter vest back to the table.

Glorious days are ahead.
If you don’t like it there are plenty of other games with Great Swords and hacking on the market.

phys.7689:

Lol unavoidable dmg and healers haha gw2 is basically standard mmo now. Took 3 years but they basically gone back on all the selling points of the game

Too bad its not?

STOP the unnecessary hate and go play tennis if you want to smash stuff (like a ball)

Holy trinity: DPS, Heal, Tank.

GW2 trinity: damage, support, control.

GW2 is not getting the “holy trinity”, it’s simply getting class roles that are specialized at control and support, instead of having everyone jack-of-all-trades berzerkers.

Irenio.

Sicarius.4639:

Puck.9612:

Personally I think it looks boring as hell but it will also be ridiculously strong in PvP. With the passive 33% speed buff and all the healing, condi ranger will give d/d ele a run for it’s money as the immortal on point fighter.

Seeing as the game is balanced via PvP it’s going to be interesting to see if Ranger is OP on point. If so they’ll have to nerf it, that would effect how well they can heal in raids… they could be painting themselves into a corner here.

That’s what I was thinking as well. The only way I see this going without druid taking massive nerfs is if they finally separate PvP and PVE balancing the way they did in GW1

they are talking about balance changes later… maybe other healing specs get buffed as well, would make a lot of sense imo.

Olcon.9506:

“Rangers aren’t meta qq” says the ranger subforums.

>Irenio picks up that mic like a kitten motherkittener. He’s hyped as kitten, you can hear it in his voice.
>heals everywhere
>Druid can single-handedly keep an entire raid team alive if played properly
>Massive support potential in WvW
>probably surpasses Guardian as a pvp bunker
>immobilizes out the rear end
>PERMA-SWIFTNESS AS A TRAIT FOR PVE
>absolutely guaranteed meta
>new pets
>WYVERNS
>SMOKESCALES THAT DROP SMOKE FIELDS AND TELEPORT
>“I’ve been going home and reading the ranger subforums almost every night and have been reading your criticisms of the base ranger class,” says Irenio. “I haven’t been able to communicate with you guys as I’ve been under nondisclosure for almost a year. I look forward to working on the base class with you guys in addition to the Druid.”

“omg our elite spec is so bad qq” says the ranger subforums.

Doesn’t matter if it’s good or bad, this is not the reason I play ranger..

Oh well, better play other classes to join the Meta and let other people be that druid to do the healing…
Trinity much zzzzz….

Thank you so much Irenio!

Although I appreciate Inerio (hope I got it right) planning on coming onto the forum and Druid seems to get a lot of stuff (also hints at balance changes with a smile when mentioning Ranger, revealed prolly Tomorrow), this is work in progress. The effects and cooldown might be toned down. This 1 hour reveal was very intense, we need to take this in and see how it plays I guess. I won’t play it for a month probably, as I’m not planning on pre-ordering. Seems very PVE/PVP/WVW friendly to be honest. Which is a good thing.

I’m so mad bros.

So mad I am in game power leveling a Ranger right now for hot.

CHOO CHOO~! All aboard the Druid Hype Train!

Who is this “everyone”? Are you hearing voices OP?
I think it’s awesome and the twitch stream was going nuts. “Everyone” loved it.

and what do you want to heal?

Dradiin.8935:

gavyne.6847:

Druids got rangers to become a part of the meta come HoT expansion, and as far as I can tell, meta in WvW, PvP, and Raids. I don’t see how anybody could make a sad face about this change. That’s a huge change from being on the outside looking in currently.

The dev did say he’s got changes coming for Rangers as well, so expect other boosts to rangers. I mean looking at rangers currently, there’s already enough pew pew, and condi tanky rangers are already fairly solid. The thing that keeps rangers out of the current meta have more to do with the lack of group support than anything else.

With druids, you get possibly the best group support available come HoT expansion. Smile, it’s time to celebrate.

Not sure how you can separate the Druid from the Ranger.

I strongly doubt you main a ranger, cause as far as my experiences go i am generally shunned from groups on my ranger, but if i mention i have any other class cept maybe a Mesmer i am in the group.

If your shun, maybe your joining the wrong groups cause I think rangers are great to have. Their pets help with pulling dmg, they have long range attack and can inflict weakness to allow my attacks to hit harder too, what not to like.

As expected, Druid was an afterthought.

Dadnir.5038:

What they’ve done is so awesomly bad… I can’t even imagine it’s not an april fools joke…
I mean… 0 synergy with ranger mechanic, It give nothing but heal and bad controle, more knockback (if rangers weren’t already hated for knockback…), 0 damage…

Druid is depressive and disappointing…

You know nothing, Jon Snow.

Dradiin.8935:

gavyne.6847:

Druids got rangers to become a part of the meta come HoT expansion, and as far as I can tell, meta in WvW, PvP, and Raids. I don’t see how anybody could make a sad face about this change. That’s a huge change from being on the outside looking in currently.

The dev did say he’s got changes coming for Rangers as well, so expect other boosts to rangers. I mean looking at rangers currently, there’s already enough pew pew, and condi tanky rangers are already fairly solid. The thing that keeps rangers out of the current meta have more to do with the lack of group support than anything else.

With druids, you get possibly the best group support available come HoT expansion. Smile, it’s time to celebrate.

Not sure how you can separate the Druid from the Ranger.

I strongly doubt you main a ranger, cause as far as my experiences go i am generally shunned from groups on my ranger, but if i mention i have any other class cept maybe a Mesmer i am in the group.

In WvW, you’re shunned yes due to the current ZvZ meta. It’s because aoe is everything. Except when a blob is large enough where you are asked to be a part of a pick team. Surely you weren’t expecting to see a ranger be top tier single target dps and also good at aoe at the same time? They gave you a new identity to be wanted, no not wanted, but needed in HoT. I still don’t see how that’s a bad thing.

If you like being good at single target, like being a part of the pick team, you get to stick with your pew pew. If you want to be wanted and needed, you go druid and take on a support role.

Yup, after Scrapper and Druid, I’m completely a fan of Irenio.

Tragic Positive.9356:

The developer behind this deserves some love.

While people may not like the concept – all the tools it offers are amazing.

High in power, high in effectiveness, high in synergy and gave us everything we lacked.
This is the day I have been living for in Guild Wars 2.
And this comes from the most skeptical and realistic person in Forums, so far. And believe me that I had my level of requests totally high with this one.

This “Druid” should have been a separate class all together.
Not the “elite spec” of a leather wearing-low DPS-class.
Most of the skills they claim were “so awesome” rely on conditions which are easily removed in PvP/WvW and take too long to kill mobs in PvE.

They could’ve fix ranger with a few steps:

1. ) Correct the bull-isht pet AI and let us store the pets (for REAL store)
2. ) Give us some +Might group traits that make us desirable. (Maybe only trigger on ranged attacks so we aren’t stuck Longsword/Spirit zoo)
3.) Better weapon skills. Most have situational attacks that dont do much in a skill rotation and leave us with less usefull attacks on our bar (Longbow 3/4) (Longsword 4) (Shortbow 3/4)
4.) Improved slot skills. Right now its Spirits or Signets… take your pick. Shouts are garbage. Traps need a boost in dmg and/or cooldown

phys.7689:

Lol unavoidable dmg and healers haha gw2 is basically standard mmo now. Took 3 years but they basically gone back on all the selling points of the game

It’s absolutely the opposite.
Gw2 took all the selling points away from one of the best MMo ever GW1.
They did the right thing to save the franchise. Period

A-Net i am more than happy to come back to the game and spend tons of my money.
You are welcome

amazing. No doubt the best specialisation overall (ok reaper is close). So well designed, tons of new skills, clear role, looks great. And its not even fully done yet. Would like some damage added to some of those healing skills (but he said they plan to do so already). Even if you dont like healers you gotta admit this is just great design.
New pets are amazing, both looks and functionality – fire fields, smoke fields, evasion etc. Good traitline, you dont have to necceserily run a healer, there is synergy there with condi/power/hybrid builds. This will help the ranger in all game-modes.

And on top of it all, hes looking into all the issues with core ranger and working on them. Amazing, job well done.

We asked for more team support, we wanted more control, more AOE, and more pets. Guess we should have clarified how we wanted them. Other than the pets, Druid, like most of the Elite Specs, seems like it would be pretty nice in WvW.

Raids on the other hand, I’m going to have to wait and see. If it comes to the point people are kicking Zerkers for a Healer spec Druid, I’ll laugh. Not saying that out of hate, mind you, as I run zerker myself.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Puck.9612:

screw the glyphs, screw the staff. Going old school condi ranger with the druid trait line to be immortal in PvP. Condi’s on me? Lolz let me just drop 13 of them and full heal with celestial form/

Oh and I hope they are actually giving pets condi damage since they all seem to be so condi focused now

Settler Amulet… Wow.

Nah… Touh/Vit/HealingPower from leaving story only!!! xD

When i saw druid and Celescial form, i have started to sing:

https://youtu.be/8iwBM_YB1sE?t=53

I’m so excited! I’m just can’t hide it!

We need a properly working class. That does include first and foremost the pet. There have been countless lists why the current pet is bad and countless ideas how to improve it.
I myself have a suggestion linked in my signature.

And by the way, it does suck that it seems like the Druid will add no further synergy with the pet whatsoever. It’s like you know that the pet is lackluster and thus try to work around it. If you’re at this point already, then rework it!

DiogoSilva.7089:

phys.7689:

Hahahahahahahahhaahah dedicated healer. Really glad i waited to prepurchase. Gw2 was killed by hot

GW2 endgame was killed by the zerker meta 3 years ago. HoT will revive it.

Sorry guaranteed damage and people given the job of healing your unavoidable damage is not adding anything to the game.

Its a forced dependency with no depth

McWolfy.5924:

and what do you want to heal?

You, and anyone else who needs that extra heal. With RAIDS coming and harder content, lets realize that you are going to need more than your ONE HEAL SKILL/SPELL.

You are going to need DRUIDS!!!!! Casts Heal spell on everyone YAssssss

I wasn’t feeling the idea of being a heal heavy spec when he first said it would be, but with every passing minute I was becoming more and more ecstatic. Man, this is gonna be awesome.

I wish we had such a well thought elite for Ele…Ah, well. At least I have a fully leveled ranger I need to dust off.

It seems like it’s a very well made spec.

I am not feeling the druid at all. I don’t what to be the designated healer. This may work for a wvw commander.

With that said he did an execellent job on the Druid. I have very high hopes for what he will do in the future with tweaks on the ranger as a whole.

Thanks Irenio for all of your hard work.