Guild Wars 2

Due to the some advice from others players, I change the builds.

Offensive build with Rune of Altruism and Sage’s Amulet:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAsfWnUqAFsiVsC2CCctgFMBDum2TLqP3gJXFrZZ1pCAl480A-TJRHwAn3fgwTAAwJAYwhAAA

Defensive build with Rune of Altruism and Sage’s Amulet :

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAsfWnUqAFsiVsC2CCctglOBDelOT3pPtgE3CzJwFAKclMtzA-TJRHwAAOBAn3fgwTAYwhAAA

Ofc on both builds you may change some traits :
Wilderness Survival : Ambidexterity >Shared Anguish (you loose importand damage but gain 1 defence traits at every 60 sec)

Beastmastery : Wilting Strike > Natural Healing (loose 4sec of weakness on enemy but gain more heal for pet)

Druid : Druidic Clarity > Primal Echoes (when in enemy team you have power user instead of condi). I use Primal Echoes in most of the case , because I need fast move on the map and for fast extra healing.

Before this 2 builds I used Rune of the Grove and Crusader Amulet.

Plenty of “wrong” here.

You are using crusader stats with a condition based weapon and zero precision.
You do not have enough condi clear (neither use Druidic Clarity).

Also, with no burst weapon on your own, you’d better be off with Axe/Dagger for might stacking with NM/BM on your 1st build. The 2nd well … It doesn’t really have damage with your setup.

I have 2 condi clear and if in oposit team are more condi player I can use the 3d glyph. Also I can change Primal Echoes with Druidic Clarity. Like I said first one is offensive but still with survability and second is for defence and survability. My builds are trying to be close to the one with celestial and durability. With this 2 builds I stil can handle vs 2 enemies enough time till an ally come for help. With both of the build in 1 vs 1 usual I don’t have problems. The real damge of druid it is in his pets. This builds are bunker builds even not so powerfull like celestial was.

Dragonzhunter.8506:

I have 2 condi clear and if in oposit team are more condi player I can use the 3d glyph. Also I can change Primal Echoes with Druidic Clarity. Like I said first one is offensive but still with survability and second is for defence and survability. My builds are trying to be close to the one with celestial and durability. With this 2 builds I stil can handle vs 2 enemies enough time till an ally come for help. With both of the build in 1 vs 1 usual I don’t have problems. The real damge of druid it is in his pets. This builds are bunker builds even not so powerfull like celestial was.

That’s the problem. The damage comes from pets that you do not keep mighted.
“2 condi clear” against necro or revenant that will blow your head with 10 instantly and let you die waiting is not enough. Not in current meta.

If you really think about having the former celestial wannabe – get yourself a sage or cleric amulet. You won’t be wasting 1 whole stat and 1 whole weapon.

In current meta it’s either kill or be killed. Or be invincible enough in order not to die.
For burst – Remorseless Crusader is far more powerful
For survival – Mender build I made not only deals more damage but survives for longer.
For bunkering – Cleric is a straight answer.
For Pet Damage – Axe in main hand is the answer.

By saying you have no problems against anyone with this build can only mean 2 things. Either your opponents suck or you are a good player. It has nothing to do with the build that clearly lacks a lot.

You can try it and then come with your opinion. I’ve tried many DPS builds on Ranger/Druid, and this one give me the higher survivability. May be this build it’s suit for my style of playing … About condi clear, I told you if I see in opoosite team condi pressure class I can use 3 glyphs, Druidic Clarity and don’t forget that pet take 3 conditions at every 10 sec. With this build (defensive one) I have more condi clear then your build or any druid meta build. At this moment on meta are only 2 builds and both are based on Power … In my opinion Druid/Ranger should use his higher healing ability and his defensive skills then being DPS dealer. There are other classes who suits better in offensive mode. Druid and Engineer (both with bunker builds) won against others classes atm.

Dragonzhunter.8506:

You can try it and then come with your opinion. I’ve tried many DPS builds on Ranger/Druid, and this one give me the higher survivability. May be this build it’s suit for my style of playing … About condi clear, I told you if I see in opoosite team condi pressure class I can use 3 glyphs, Druidic Clarity and don’t forget that pet take 3 conditions at every 10 sec. With this build (defensive one) I have more condi clear then your build or any druid meta build. At this moment on meta are only 2 builds and both are based on Power … In my opinion Druid/Ranger should use his higher healing ability and his defensive skills then being DPS dealer. There are other classes who suits better in offensive mode. Druid and Engineer (both with bunker builds) won against others classes atm.

By now I’ve already tried over 25 builds (and I came out of ideas).
And I’d like yo to explain how does your build have more condi cleanse than the Mender build I made (6+5 on demand cleanse, Druidic Clarity = 13; your build has 2+2 that make you immobile and 0-3 every 10 seconds that is random).
Because that build not only does much more healing and has the same mobility but has much better defensive skills. The only thing it doesn’t have is S&R which is compensated with safe stealth-ress on exiting CAF.

But let me ask you a question:
“heal and def instead of being a DPS healer”
What meaning does this sentence carry if I can be better healer (more healing power), have better defenses and still deal damage while doing that? How can your build with stats all over the place compete with that? It’s just like playing a Berserker Shortbow build. Fine for hotjoin but far from being competitive.
If you ever wanted to be a bunker – you’d have gone for Cleric without wasting 1 whole stat. And yes, that build is incredibly strong. Not your, though.

Also, your explanation on condi clear is the same thing I hate about metabattle:
“This is the meta build but you can change 2 traitlines, 2 sigils, 1 weapon, a pet, 4 pieces of armor, 3 runes, haircut and your mobile phone if you need it”.
If the build you propose doesn’t already have an answer to most situations you’ll be facing (chain CC/condi bombs/burst/mobility) and you have to sacrifice something of it in order to fill the gap – creating the gap at another place – the build lacks.

The problem is that your build doesn’t bring enough stuff in comparison to how many weaknesses it has. Can you win with it? Sure. Just like I was able to win a few games with PvE traits after I was testing the DPS on gollem. It doesn’t mean that PvE traits became the right choice.

Tragic Positive.9356:

Dragonzhunter.8506:

You can try it and then come with your opinion. I’ve tried many DPS builds on Ranger/Druid, and this one give me the higher survivability. May be this build it’s suit for my style of playing … About condi clear, I told you if I see in opoosite team condi pressure class I can use 3 glyphs, Druidic Clarity and don’t forget that pet take 3 conditions at every 10 sec. With this build (defensive one) I have more condi clear then your build or any druid meta build. At this moment on meta are only 2 builds and both are based on Power … In my opinion Druid/Ranger should use his higher healing ability and his defensive skills then being DPS dealer. There are other classes who suits better in offensive mode. Druid and Engineer (both with bunker builds) won against others classes atm.

By now I’ve already tried over 25 builds (and I came out of ideas).
And I’d like yo to explain how does your build have more condi cleanse than the Mender build I made (6+5 on demand cleanse, Druidic Clarity = 13; your build has 2+2 that make you immobile and 0-3 every 10 seconds that is random).
Because that build not only does much more healing and has the same mobility but has much better defensive skills. The only thing it doesn’t have is S&R which is compensated with safe stealth-ress on exiting CAF.

But let me ask you a question:
“heal and def instead of being a DPS healer”
What meaning does this sentence carry if I can be better healer (more healing power), have better defenses and still deal damage while doing that? How can your build with stats all over the place compete with that? It’s just like playing a Berserker Shortbow build. Fine for hotjoin but far from being competitive.
If you ever wanted to be a bunker – you’d have gone for Cleric without wasting 1 whole stat. And yes, that build is incredibly strong. Not your, though.

Also, your explanation on condi clear is the same thing I hate about metabattle:
“This is the meta build but you can change 2 traitlines, 2 sigils, 1 weapon, a pet, 4 pieces of armor, 3 runes, haircut and your mobile phone if you need it”.
If the build you propose doesn’t already have an answer to most situations you’ll be facing (chain CC/condi bombs/burst/mobility) and you have to sacrifice something of it in order to fill the gap – creating the gap at another place – the build lacks.

The problem is that your build doesn’t bring enough stuff in comparison to how many weaknesses it has. Can you win with it? Sure. Just like I was able to win a few games with PvE traits after I was testing the DPS on gollem. It doesn’t mean that PvE traits became the right choice.

I will not argue with you, because seems you know only one thing … and if you are not open to something else, then it is no point. Do you want me to put another link with changes that I’ve already written above?! This will satisfy you ?
Bunker build with maximum condi cleaner : http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAsfWnUqAFsiVsC2CCctglOB7pFk4WYwv0Z6O1JwFAKclMtzA-TZRHABE8EAA4EAgdZgBOEAjs/AA . I want to remember you that all condi cleaner have 16,20,24 sec CD instead of yours 20,32 and 248sec … Also you know that “Guard” from your build don’t give anymore 12 sec of Protection! The build calculator site it is a little outdated on some skills

Dragonzhunter.8506:

I will not argue with you, because seems you know only one thing … and if you are not open to something else, then it is no point. Do you want me to put another link with changes that I’ve already written above?! This will satisfy you ?
Bunker build with maximum condi cleaner : http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAsfWnUqAFsiVsC2CCctglOB7pFk4WYwv0Z6O1JwFAKclMtzA-TZRHABE8EAA4EAgdZgBOEAjs/AA . I want to remember you that all condi cleaner have 16,20,24 sec CD instead of yours 20,32 and 248sec … Also you know that “Guard” don’t give anymore 12 sec of Protection!

If you read that I already tried so many builds – you’d have realized I probably am open to stuff.
Are you open to criticism, though?

You are still using Power + Ferocity for Torch build without a single piece of precision…
Guard never gave you 12sec of protection. It gave it to the pet. You know that, right? … Right?

And the bunker build with maximum condi cleaner still doesn’t have Druidic Clarity, neither 3 glyphs you proposed nor healing spring you never thought of using.
You want a bunker build? This is how it looks like. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAnYWnMqAVsilsC+CCEtiFGBzJ0NCOdwN1qaXlpA8tCAn4cRHB-TJxHwAn2fAZZABPBAAnCAA
You know, your build wouldn’t have to be so bad if you knew what do you want from it. In it’s current state it isn’t even bunker, it doesn’t have enough damage and doesn’t bring anything specific that other more versatile or useful builds bring regardless in addition to their core idea.
If I compare the bunker build to yours – I traded stability (that I don’t really need) and swiftness for immortality (yes, it can hold it’s own against 2 players for like eternity and can still send that thief with 20% HP away with mighted bristle or Drake F2 while doing so).

You have been avoiding an explanation of the Amulet with your build for a long while and I believe it’s pretty clear the reason is that “you don’t know”. Why bash away the feedback, then?
If I leave the build and lie to you about how amazing it is when there’s plenty to improve, will that satisfy you?

you realise that with my build I’ll do more damage (power and condi also) then yours? :http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNBmYD7kQFoXQskFwlFgrFskJYNJrAwBw5wt4acwz0c6QtkjdG-TJBFwAAeCACOIAx2fo9FAAA

Both me and my pets do more damage then you and your pets and still I have more healing, much more healing? your build is better when it’s about crit chance … so I don’t know why you argue so much.
Ofc I accept criticism, but when it’s come from person with good reason and when that person understand when I’m saying that you can change some traits depending on enemies setup. We play sPVP , 5 vs 5 and this means team sinergy, cooperation. I played a lot of sPVP and most of them on Ranger/Druid. I am not saying my build it is the best, but after I tryied many times I consider this one it is better then builds from metabattle and why not better then yours, at least it suits me better. I tryed mender’s amulet also, but I want something with toughness instead vitality. I still looking for change amulet, maybe the rune too.
Anyway, have a nice day and see you in sPVP.

Dragonzhunter.8506:

you realise that with my build I’ll do more damage (power and condi also) then yours? :http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNBmYD7kQFoXQskFwlFgrFskJYNJrAwBw5wt4acwz0c6QtkjdG-TJBFwAAeCACOIAx2fo9FAAA

Both me and my pets do more damage then you and your pets and still I have more healing, much more healing? your build is better when it’s about crit chance … so I don’t know why you argue so much.
Ofc I accept criticism, but when it’s come from person with good reason and when that person understand when I’m saying that you can change some traits depending on enemies setup. We play sPVP , 5 vs 5 and this means team sinergy, cooperation.

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Not really because my pets will constantly be 25 mighted unlike yours. Your build deals more damage against a target gollem, not in PvP where people simply walk out of bonfire (that bonfire deals 7K damage if the enemy stands AFK in it for 9 seconds without cleanse or keyboard and you managed to stack 25 might beforehand – thief can kill a target from 100-0 in 4 seconds if given the chance). Unlike you I have sigils that always have been doing 30% of ranger’s power spikes and are 10 times harder to be countered.

and you have “much more healing” with 560 healing power while my build has 1050 (???).
Right over here is the time when I know is the right time to stop.
You still have no idea why running ferocity without crit chance is wrong, you can’t compare obvious stats like healing power, you can’t even compare the DPS… Or maybe it’s just that you don’t want to.

You are misunderstanding a thing from the very beginning. I am not arguing. I’m correcting you. There’s a difference.
Good Luck in PvP, too.

Tragic Positive.9356:

Plenty of “wrong” here.

You are using crusader stats with a condition based weapon and zero precision.
You do not have enough condi clear (neither use Druidic Clarity).

Also, with no burst weapon on your own, you’d better be off with Axe/Dagger for might stacking with NM/BM on your 1st build. The 2nd well … It doesn’t really have damage with your setup.

Tragic’s right. I’m afraid this simply isn’t an optimum build…for bunkering or anything else.

Crusader is the wrong amulet to run with your build as highlighted above – your best (and only) option would be Sage, as it’s the only PVP amulet available with both Healing AND Condi Damage stats (after the death of Cele).

And Ferocity is useless with a 4% crit chance – you’ll never feel the benefit of the extra damage because it will RARELY land.

Hope this helps you understand how you can make your build better Dragonzhunter.

soryy, but you start to talk only craps … even with 25 staks of might (I don’t know from where you will get it …. but whatever) your damage (power or condi) are still less then mine. read the build calculator you link, put 25 might and see the numbers then compare with mine! When I talk about I have much more healing, I talk about real Heal I get when I use skills … because that 560 Healing Power is not alone, toghether with traits and skills give me more healing then your skills with yours 1050Healing Power. Read the numbers again. Don’t read me from books and don’t tell me your broken theory. I use Bonfire when it’s need it, after I daze and cripple the enemy. I’ll do 3551 damage in 3 sec only with bonfire. Also I can get might if I blast Bonfire …. There are a lot of things I can do in fight … I am not golem to just throw the Bonfire and w8 the target to die. I want to respect you, but after your last post I realise that you don’t deserve my respect. Don’t talk to ppl in this way. I don’t know what rank or division you are atm, I don’t know how good you are, but pls don’t come here and talk like this.

@Dragonzhunter
I’m not asking for respect. There’s plenty of people who come to me daily and ask for my opinion, feedback, suggestions, heck… most of them just come to say hello and share their love for ranger at this point as an appreciation for what I showed them already.
It’s my own free will to share the knowledge at places where it lacks whether anybody asked for it or not. But we are human beings capable of deals. If you tell me you don’t want to get better or improve your build – I won’t suggest a thing and will leave this thread without a word.
(P.S. nobody will believe your bullheaded attitude that with the same healing traits you heal for more with less healing power. For the sake of your own good – bring Maths to what you do or don’t stick to it if someone proves you wrong with facts)

BROKENCAPS.4561:

Tragic Positive.9356:

Plenty of “wrong” here.

You are using crusader stats with a condition based weapon and zero precision.
You do not have enough condi clear (neither use Druidic Clarity).

Also, with no burst weapon on your own, you’d better be off with Axe/Dagger for might stacking with NM/BM on your 1st build. The 2nd well … It doesn’t really have damage with your setup.

Tragic’s right. I’m afraid this simply isn’t an optimum build…for bunkering or anything else.

Crusader is the wrong amulet to run with your build as highlighted above – your best (and only) option would be Sage, as it’s the only PVP amulet available with both Healing AND Condi Damage stats (after the death of Cele).

And Ferocity is useless with a 4% crit chance – you’ll never feel the benefit of the extra damage because it will RARELY land.

Hope this helps you understand how you can make your build better Dragonzhunter.

BROKENCAPS, thx, you have right, but yesterday I made already another build with Sage and Altruism. I will post the build link later.