Guild Wars 2

Some quick tips on how to deal great damage and be an asset your group.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNEQNBjYDbkRl2VbVxiFuWDsHUrDgA+AY3BnQK8qbz4oQgFB-TFSBwAP3f4xTAwsSwrK/up+TnDCAedDAuAAkCIiFAA-w

(Note: Instead of 2 in Beastmaserty you can instead do 2 in Nature Magic for the Vigorous Spirits trait.)

Begin by setting your Frost Spirit to provide the group with a damage bonus. Next, use “Barrage”. Swap to Sword/Warhorn to gain might via battle sigil. Throw a Flame Trap, blast the fire field with your Warhorn. Swap pets to gain additional might via “Mighty Swap.” Your drakes first attack will always be a tail swipe, this is also a blast finisher which means again, more might. Activate Signet Of The Wild for yet again more might and a damage bonus as well as stability. When this begins to wear off activate Rampage As One to keep the damage coming.

You have successfully built nearly 25stacks of might without the help of others. You have also provided the group with additional damage via Frost Spirit, additional critical hit chance via Spotter, AOE might, fury and swiftness as well as a heal/condition cleanse if you happen to use Healing Spring.

Remember to keep your pet on passive when the situation calls for it, such as when you are in a delicate stack and your pet may pull aggro in an awkward direction.

Monitor your pets health bar as closely as you would your own. Swap it out when it gets weak so you do not lose your damage bonus from the Ranger runes (or, alternatively [if this still works.. I believe it does..] you can have a mini active which will count as a pet.)

Do not use Point Blank Shot ever. There are almost no situations in dungeon content where this skill is necessary. In Crucible Of Eternity for stacking Alpha in the corner on his first encounter is probably one of the only times it may be necessary. And in this situation, be sure to get as close as possible to Alpha so you get the furthest possible knockback out of Point Blank Shot.

You do not need to use Hunter’s Shot unless you have decided to take Remorseless. Otherwise, it is a DPS loss that you could have filled with Rapid Fire, sword AA, etc. It deals very low damage and only serves to re-situate yourself. Even then, it’s better to use a dodge.

Barrage is a very powerful damage buffer if you switch to sword immediately after casting. It would be similar to an Elementalist casting Meteor Shower before following with another form of DPS.

Flame Trap is extremely useful for might and burning. It has a short cooldown and is easy for others to blast with it’s large radius. Be sure to cast it pretty much any time it’s not on cooldown unless it would be detrimental to the situation.

You can use Jungle Stalker or Red Moa instead of Drakes if you like. Jungle Stalker deals more damage but is more difficult to keep alive. It also provides AOE might but neither the Moa nor Jungle Stalker can blast fire fields and neither of them cleave. The Drakes are ideal for their on-swap blast finisher, their cleave, their acceptable DPS and their low maintenance.

If you have a lot of money to spare, Strength runes may be a better choice than Ranger runes.

Since you run mighty swap, you can add tonic swapping into the rotation as it triggers the trait for extra might.

In a good group you do not need to stack might or fury high: warriors and eles will provide these very well. Your role is to get high damage output in combination with class specific traits/skills. Therefore spotter and frost spirit are very well.
Next to that you can take off hand axe above warhorn. It’s reflect on 5 is very well, but path of scars boosts your damage a lot.
Also taking sword is a well choice. It’s skill 4 is useful for skipping. In boss fights you can open with a maul, having 100% crit chance because of opening strike. Only equip bow when really needed.
Flame trap is also a waste of utility. Many classes have fire fields in their dungeon builds and can be deployed without having an enemy to activate it. Therefore taking QZ and signet of the wild together is a better choice and it will increase your damage more.

Taking Reef drake is a good choice. It’s F5 is strong (lightning breath) and a blast finisher. Next to that jaguar has real high dps. If your is not good in providing might you can take jungle stalker for F5 (5 stacks of might AoE)

For traits you should go 6/5/0/3. In first line take Predators onslaught. With your sword AA crippling, this will increase damage a lot. Next to that in 2nd line take “might on crits for pets”. Many people don’t pay attention to pet damage, but it is huge. So as master Increased ferocity for pets. As line 4th line take vigorous spirits. Giving your team a flat 3,5% dmg increase. The 2nd minor trait is huge. When using Rampage as One, your pet will receive way more might. Also other booms are very well shared on your pet!

I hope this was helpful.

The V.8759:

In a good group you do not need to stack might or fury high: warriors and eles will provide these very well. Your role is to get high damage output in combination with class specific traits/skills. Therefore spotter and frost spirit are very well.
Next to that you can take off hand axe above warhorn. It’s reflect on 5 is very well, but path of scars boosts your damage a lot.
Also taking sword is a well choice. It’s skill 4 is useful for skipping. In boss fights you can open with a maul, having 100% crit chance because of opening strike. Only equip bow when really needed.
Flame trap is also a waste of utility. Many classes have fire fields in their dungeon builds and can be deployed without having an enemy to activate it. Therefore taking QZ and signet of the wild together is a better choice and it will increase your damage more.

Taking Reef drake is a good choice. It’s F5 is strong (lightning breath) and a blast finisher. Next to that jaguar has real high dps. If your is not good in providing might you can take jungle stalker for F5 (5 stacks of might AoE)

For traits you should go 6/5/0/3. In first line take Predators onslaught. With your sword AA crippling, this will increase damage a lot. Next to that in 2nd line take “might on crits for pets”. Many people don’t pay attention to pet damage, but it is huge. So as master Increased ferocity for pets. As line 4th line take vigorous spirits. Giving your team a flat 3,5% dmg increase. The 2nd minor trait is huge. When using Rampage as One, your pet will receive way more might. Also other booms are very well shared on your pet!

I hope this was helpful.

No. To all of this, lol.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

No. To all of this, lol.

Most (edit: all) of what he mentioned is the meta, or at least defensible.

To my knowledge there is still not a better build than this:
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Ranger_-_S/A_LB_Spotter

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

No. To all of this, lol.

Why? The might makes sense. Every team with experience can stack might with ele. The resr of what i said also provides more damage. So actually your build doesnt make sense.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

No. To all of this, lol.

I’m just gonna say this: his suggestion to always go for Vigorous Spirit alone makes the build more useful for the team than what your build does.

I guess I should have mentioned then that this is with PUG’s in mind not “experienced” groups. This way you are providing more support in the event that your group is lacking it.

Also, no. The meta build does not do more damage on it’s own. With support from the rest of the group it does, on it’s own it does not.

And I suggested that you instead do Vigorous Spirits instead of Mighty Swap if you like.

I suppose I should have learned by now that unless you’re posting completely unoriginal builds and ideas that everyone is already aware of people will have only criticisms to make. God forbid someone tries something different that’s actually effective.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

[…]people will have only criticisms to make.

Criticism isn’t necessarily bad.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNEQNBjYDbkRl2VbVxiFuWDsHUrDgA+AY3BnQK8qbz4oQgFB-TFSBwAP3f4xTAwsSwrK/up+TnDCAedDAuAAkCIiFAA-w

Your build has trap traits, why? That flame trap isn’t going to do a whole lot of damage…

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Next, use “Barrage”. Swap to Sword/Warhorn to gain might via battle sigil.

No Rapid fire? Apart from not being known to stack might pugs aren’t known to stack vulnerability (vuln). With 10 stacks of vuln the entire party dps goes up 10%, that’s pretty significant.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

You have successfully built nearly 25stacks of might without the help of others.

On yourself, your group will have gotten 3-6, much useful.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

You have also provided the group with additional damage via Frost Spirit[…]

Which would be more useful if spirit had the full 7%, I know you suggest to take it instead, but it should really be mandatory.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Flame Trap is extremely useful for might[…]

yes

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

[…]and burning.

no

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Strength runes may be a better choice than Ranger runes.

No, Strength runes matter only to classes that stack might(on others), PS warrior, ele, or (and not recommended) Engineer.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

In Crucible Of Eternity for stacking Alpha in the corner on his first encounter is probably one of the only times it may be necessary.

Why would it be necessary to corner him? You can’t FGS anymore…this pug mentality…

The rest, while I may not agree on all points, isn’t exactly wrong.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

I guess I should have mentioned then that this is with PUG’s in mind not “experienced” groups.

Fair enough, but yeah, that should have been said from the start.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Also, no. The meta build does not do more damage on it’s own. With support from the rest of the group it does, on it’s own it does not.

Prove it. I’m not saying it’s wrong or right, but prove it. With numbers, with video evidence etc. If you wan’t to convince people you’ll have to go there.

@Zorby: just mentioning, cornering alpha makes it not do several attacks like the teeth of primordus. It does have a use.

Next to that, indeed explain why your build has better dps. Last time I checked the “meta” (which very few rangers actually play) has highest dps.

I also try to convince that GS is better than LB.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

I suppose I should have learned by now that unless you’re posting completely unoriginal builds and ideas that everyone is already aware of people will have only criticisms to make. God forbid someone tries something different that’s actually effective.

What do you even expect when your replied “No. To all of this, lol” to the first person replying in your thread, instead of telling people that this is a build meant for dealing with bad pugs?

Not that I would use this setup even with bad pugs, but that’s neither here nor there.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but using fire trap among other things to stack some might isn’t exactly original. It’s pretty basic. Utilizing the ranger’s fire fields and warhorn is even recommended if the team lacks might and fury.

The V.8759:

cornering alpha makes it not do several attacks like the teeth of primordus. It does have a use.

No, that’s if everyone stands on him (stacking if you will), But there’s no need for a corner…Cornering pretty much only matters if:
a) You can take advantage of the wall somehow
b) To LoS large amounts of mobs

There are now very few bosses in the game that are worth cornering/walling, and in most cases just stacking on top of the boss is faster. But I guess it takes some time for that to catch up among pugs.

The V.8759:

I also try to convince that GS is better than LB.

That actually depends on some factors. If you run an easy dungeon with a competent team the Longbow is the better option as it’s burst is stronger and it stacks initial cripple for your predator’s onslaught. For less than fortunate teams or harder content the utility that Greatsword provides can outshine the Longbow. There could also be other consideration to be made of course such as:
sword/torch + sword/warhorn (might and fury without sacrificing sword auto or a utility)
sword/axe + sword/dagger (more dodges, ie more defensive, without sacrificing the sword auto)
And well, you get the picture.

Zorby.8236:

No, that’s if everyone stands on him (stacking if you will), But there’s no need for a corner…Cornering pretty much only matters if:
a) You can take advantage of the wall somehow
b) To LoS large amounts of mobs

Hmm good point. I guess walls makes dodging easier for people since whey will stay on point then. Also ele’s benefit from it alot with meteor shower and frost bow since casting it against walls makes the AoE to land the individual strikes in smaller, thus larger chance to hit. But I get your point

Zorby.8236:

That actually depends on some factors. If you run an easy dungeon with a competent team the Longbow is the better option as it’s burst is stronger and it stacks initial cripple for your predator’s onslaught. For less than fortunate teams or harder content the utility that Greatsword provides can outshine the Longbow. There could also be other consideration to be made of course such as:
sword/torch + sword/warhorn (might and fury without sacrificing sword auto or a utility)
sword/axe + sword/dagger (more dodges, ie more defensive, without sacrificing the sword auto)
And well, you get the picture.

In my opinion GS outdamages LB as burst-starting-weapon because:
- Longbow Rapid Fire has a cast time of 2,5s. In this time you can throw out a Maul (With guaranteed crit if Opening Strike), and Slash+Kick from sword AA. This in combination results in a higher dps.
- It is multiple targeted. This lets you hit multiple enemies with your maul. Rapid Fire is only 1 target.

Not that I think LB is bad, I’m just some1 who goes for the best dps. In order to out-dps the longbow with a maul and 2x sword AA you need a perfect timing on weapon swap. So if you like LB more, keep using it. Just please dont keep using it in fights with long range shot when stacked or whatever :P

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

I guess I should have mentioned then that this is with PUG’s in mind not “experienced” groups. This way you are providing more support in the event that your group is lacking it.

Also, no. The meta build does not do more damage on it’s own. With support from the rest of the group it does, on it’s own it does not.

And I suggested that you instead do Vigorous Spirits instead of Mighty Swap if you like.

I suppose I should have learned by now that unless you’re posting completely unoriginal builds and ideas that everyone is already aware of people will have only criticisms to make. God forbid someone tries something different that’s actually effective.

I am sorry to hear that I made you angry with my critisism. I only intented to show the best way to go in dungeons for a ranger. Your build just is not better. I tought because of the title you wanted to show new players how to go in dungeons as a ranger, which is not the ultimate way to do it.
However please notice that I do like your way of thinking and love to see new fresh ways of playing the ranger class in dungeons.

So please, stay tuned on the forums and keep progressing and playing around with new build! For the sake of the ranger community!

Lol, alright well you guys have fun then I guess. I like to put some thought in to my builds, experiment with them a bit and see how things go, instead of just picking up the same build everyone uses and turning my brain off.

Yes, the meta is meta for a reason. It does it’s job. But it’s boring and I thought I’d share a different way to play my favorite profession that I’ve logged so much time in to.

I pity the people who are too afraid, or perhaps too stupid, to explore other possibilities.. I was hoping this could turn in to something other than me raging at people but since the very first reply was the same meta crap that you can find on a dozen different sites with only organized groups in mind I got a little upset…

I didn’t say it was perfect, I didn’t say it was the best, I didn’t say it was completely original. I said it was effective and I said I was giving tips. At least I didn’t say “equip longbow, stand at max range and let your brown bear off it’s leash” or copy and paste the same build/tips that there are already a bunch of.

The V.8759:

In my opinion GS outdamages LB as burst-starting-weapon because:
- Longbow Rapid Fire has a cast time of 2,5s. In this time you can throw out a Maul (With guaranteed crit if Opening Strike), and Slash+Kick from sword AA. This in combination results in a higher dps.
- It is multiple targeted. This lets you hit multiple enemies with your maul. Rapid Fire is only 1 target.

To be fair, opinions doesn’t matter. Math does. And it all depends on the situation.

You forget the fact that Rapid Fire adds 10 stacks of vuln, Maul only adds 5 stacks. Those extra 5 stacks add up for you and the rest of the team. The overall team dps is worth more than your personal dps.

Also, if you’re gonna consider casting time, you need to consider the fact that Rapid Fire can be used on certain bosses while closing in on them, meaning that RF occasionally without a doubt will out-dps the burst from the greatsword.

The V.8759:

In my opinion GS outdamages LB as burst-starting-weapon because:
- Longbow Rapid Fire has a cast time of 2,5s. In this time you can throw out a Maul (With guaranteed crit if Opening Strike), and Slash+Kick from sword AA. This in combination results in a higher dps.

To be fair, they’re pretty equivalent. If we go after the numbers on wiki, and coefficients per seconds. I get the following numbers:
GS:
Throw(can be done on approach at no loss)→swoop→maul~=1.08-1.47 depending on how swoop behaves.
Only Maul=2

LB:
Barrage→RF=1.8
Only Barrage=2.13

So pretty much a toss-up

The V.8759:

- It is multiple targeted. This lets you hit multiple enemies with your maul. Rapid Fire is only 1 target.

Irrelevant on bosses.

@OP, so it went from

Also, no. The meta build does not do more damage on it’s own. With support from the rest of the group it does, on it’s own it does not.

to

Yes, the meta is meta for a reason. It does it’s job. But it’s boring and I thought I’d share a different way to play my favorite profession that I’ve logged so much time in to.
[…]
I didn’t say it was perfect, I didn’t say it was the best, I didn’t say it was completely original. I said it was effective and I said I was giving tips.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Lol, alright well you guys have fun then I guess. I like to put some thought in to my builds, experiment with them a bit and see how things go, instead of just picking up the same build everyone uses and turning my brain off.
[…]
I pity the people who are too afraid, or perhaps too stupid, to explore other possibilities..

By all means, but as I said, you’ll have to back it up, then maybe it would be easier to swallow.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

I was hoping this could turn in to something other than me raging at people but since the very first reply was the same meta crap that you can find on a dozen different sites with only organized groups in mind I got a little upset…

LOL. Awww, did we not praise you for your ingenuity and so? Barring untraited frost spirit your build is ok for pugging, does that make you feel better?

Zorby.8236:

Yes, I was. I feed my ego by seeking the praise of forum lurkers who bring math and facts to the table any time someone challenges the meta with a different way of thinking. It’s like trying to convince a priest that evolution makes more sense.

No, I won’t bring video evidence because I literally do not care about proving it to the kind of arrogant f_cks that pollute these forums with their meta kitten and p_ss all over any one who tries to be helpful in a different way. I’m legitimately offended so many people can’t just go “hm, yeah, that makes sense. I should try this out, maybe it’ll be fun!” Because it’s not like this is a f_cking video game or anything where fun should actually be had.. But nerds with social disabilities and superiority complexes, like yourself, turn it in to a competition of who/what is better because the sinking void that is their reality threatens to consume them if they don’t assert themselves over people behind a computer screen. And please, tell me about how I’m wrong again because I’ll believe everything you have to say without video proof of how your life actually goes.

It’s actually sad how many people suck the fun out of this game by trying to suppress everyone only interested in appealing to the absolute elites who sleeplessly and mindlessly farm the same content constantly living under the shadow of a fear that someone will slow their dungeon content by 3.2seconds. Because those 3.2 seconds are minutes and seconds they’ll never get back that were so ruthlessly robbed from them by the ignorant commoners who play the game casually the way it was intended.

But please, comfort yourself with knowing you got me fired up. Because your accomplishments aren’t measured by their greatness but by the nerve of one’s rebuttal.

@SpellOfIniquity
The headlight said that the topic is providing tips for dungeons.
Tips that are incorrect for results, are not tips to be either trusted or followed.

With all due respect, not only your build is not efficient enough in comparison to the meta, it doesn’t even fulfill a role that any other class/build could do better.
Which, sadly, means that your build and tips are for nothing else but casual players that play for fun and therefore do NOT NEED any tips whatsoever.
Unfortunately, the 95% of this category are called … How was it … Oh ye, BEARBOWS.

If you want to provide a tip for fun, classify it that way. If you want it to be on par with other “up to date builds” (see how I didn’t use meta?), then you have to bring a proof that supports up your statements.
On the other note, maths is a language that the mature people use for understanding each others’ findings on a TRUSTWORTHY, UNDERSTANDABLE and COMPARABLE basis. If you can’t accept this nature (or understand it), than I sincerely have no idea how do you dare to insult our community fun-less.

If you find fun in literally bothering other players’ lives, using up their precious time, encouraging the rest of the community to copy this behavior, then I hereby declare the wise and friendly part of the community not fun at all.
Because I will not stop helping people get better. And I will keep my eyes wide open for any build or idea that is trustworthy (at which, sadly, maths is the language).

Sorry Sir, but being impolite (mostly rude at that) will not help you raise your reputation. Because being rational is definitely more fun than being an arrogant freak that insults everyone who … Is actually right and provides correct statements.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

I’m legitimately offended so many people can’t just go “hm, yeah, that makes sense. I should try this out, maybe it’ll be fun!”

And I’m offended by boybands, for christ’s sake.

If you had a look around in different threads about PvP builds, you will see people commenting like you’re asking for all the time. I guess you’re just to fired up to realize that.

The thing is, not having traited frost spirit nor Fortifying Bond (if you’re selfishly gonna stack might on a ranger, at least share it with your pet…) doesn’t make any sense. So why would anyone say it does..

Tragic Positive.9356:

@SpellOfIniquity
The headlight said that the topic is providing tips for dungeons.
Tips that are incorrect for results, are not tips to be either trusted or followed.

With all due respect, not only your build is not efficient enough in comparison to the meta, it doesn’t even fulfill a role that any other class/build could do better.
Which, sadly, means that your build and tips are for nothing else but casual players that play for fun and therefore do NOT NEED any tips whatsoever.
Unfortunately, the 95% of this category are called … How was it … Oh ye, BEARBOWS.

If you want to provide a tip for fun, classify it that way. If you want it to be on par with other “up to date builds” (see how I didn’t use meta?), then you have to bring a proof that supports up your statements.
On the other note, maths is a language that the mature people use for understanding each others’ findings on a TRUSTWORTHY, UNDERSTANDABLE and COMPARABLE basis. If you can’t accept this nature (or understand it), than I sincerely have no idea how do you dare to insult our community fun-less.

If you find fun in literally bothering other players’ lives, using up their precious time, encouraging the rest of the community to copy this behavior, then I hereby declare the wise and friendly part of the community not fun at all.
Because I will not stop helping people get better. And I will keep my eyes wide open for any build or idea that is trustworthy (at which, sadly, maths is the language).

Sorry Sir, but being impolite (mostly rude at that) will not help you raise your reputation. Because being rational is definitely more fun than being an arrogant freak that insults everyone who … Is actually right and provides correct statements.

Your english sucks and you’re also completely missing the point, not surprisingly.

That there are more ways to play the game than by the meta and that you can bring a lot of self-support without lacking group support.

If you want proof try it yourself. Why do I have to provide the facts? I could say anything I want and claim it’s “fact” are you going to believe it because I make it sound believable? Probably, you seem naive enough to do so. You know, just because a group of people say “this is the best there is” doesn’t mean it’s true. You just believe it because it’s more than one person saying it and they make it sound convincing. That’s called manipulation. It’s like if someone were selling food on the side of the street, 2 or 3 “customers” say it’s healthy when really they’re just fooling you in to buying their product and the customers are actors. You, being a consumer and an idiot, believe it only to later find it’s been significantly increasing your cholesterol and are now at a greater a risk of heart disease. Why are you in this predicament? Because if a group of people claim it’s true, and it sounds true.. It must be true!

You’re the kind of gullible moron McDonalds makes hundreds of dollars off of by telling you their salad is fat free.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Tragic Positive.9356:

@SpellOfIniquity
The headlight said that the topic is providing tips for dungeons.
Tips that are incorrect for results, are not tips to be either trusted or followed.

With all due respect, not only your build is not efficient enough in comparison to the meta, it doesn’t even fulfill a role that any other class/build could do better.
Which, sadly, means that your build and tips are for nothing else but casual players that play for fun and therefore do NOT NEED any tips whatsoever.
Unfortunately, the 95% of this category are called … How was it … Oh ye, BEARBOWS.

If you want to provide a tip for fun, classify it that way. If you want it to be on par with other “up to date builds” (see how I didn’t use meta?), then you have to bring a proof that supports up your statements.
On the other note, maths is a language that the mature people use for understanding each others’ findings on a TRUSTWORTHY, UNDERSTANDABLE and COMPARABLE basis. If you can’t accept this nature (or understand it), than I sincerely have no idea how do you dare to insult our community fun-less.

If you find fun in literally bothering other players’ lives, using up their precious time, encouraging the rest of the community to copy this behavior, then I hereby declare the wise and friendly part of the community not fun at all.
Because I will not stop helping people get better. And I will keep my eyes wide open for any build or idea that is trustworthy (at which, sadly, maths is the language).

Sorry Sir, but being impolite (mostly rude at that) will not help you raise your reputation. Because being rational is definitely more fun than being an arrogant freak that insults everyone who … Is actually right and provides correct statements.

Your english sucks and you’re also completely missing the point, not surprisingly.

That there are more ways to play the game than by the meta and that you can bring a lot of self-support without lacking group support.

If you want proof try it yourself. Why do I have to provide the facts? I could say anything I want and claim it’s “fact” are you going to believe it because I make it sound believable? Probably, you seem naive enough to do so. You know, just because a group of people say “this is the best there is” doesn’t mean it’s true. You just believe it because it’s more than one person saying it and they make it sound convincing. That’s called manipulation. It’s like if someone were selling food on the side of the street, 2 or 3 “customers” say it’s healthy when really they’re just fooling you in to buying their product and the customers are actors. You, being a consumer and an idiot, believe it only to later find it’s been significantly increasing your cholesterol and are now at a greater a risk of heart disease. Why are you in this predicament? Because if a group of people claim it’s true, and it sounds true.. It must be true!

You’re the kind of gullible moron McDonalds makes hundreds of dollars off of by telling you their salad is fat free.

Wah, soo much rage. The most optimum dps meta existed not because “just a group of ppl said”, meta is usually backed up with testing against multiple variant of others traits setup. Not only that they are usually also formed looking at how it coexisted with other classes setups and traits.
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/84416-guide-minmax-dungeon-groups-with-any-class-composition/
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/93663-dps-rankings-for-september-feature-patch/
These meta for respective classes actually take considerably lots of testing. And the people responsible for these testings, usually compare the dps chart.
So it’s not exactly something that come out of the blue or like you said “someone said”.

Beside that, your build gave up Vigorous Spirit which means you’ll have only 35% proc rate of it and you are giving up Fortifying Bond too, in exchange for lousy 3 stacks of might on pet and a short duration of might stacking using trap+warhorn 5 (nothing on Nature Magic trait aka boon durations).
Bottom line is the setup gave up lots of personal and team dps.

It’s true you said these setup might help with bad pug but you’ll be better off running
6/5/0/3/0 the normal meta (yes, with predatory onslaught, vigorous spirit and fortifying bond). Sword-warhorn and sword-torch. Swap out Quickening Zephyrs for Flame Trap to help with Might stacking and Jungle Stalker for Mighty Roar.
This way you won’t lose out much on team and personal dps, while helping bad pug.
Also sword 1 has cripple, which stack on durations plus other classes has criple too, so basically you won’t give up Predatory Onslaught benefit. Only gave up burst with QZ and Rapid Fire. You can make up for those burst back with warhorn 4 but not much.
No point of helping stacking might when your boons actually run out very fast.

Beastmaster Might and Mighty Swap are kinda redundant, if you had Fortifying Bond which requires 3 points into Nature Magic, you wouldn’t have needed Mighty Swap. Plus boons duration on Nature Magic is very good if you wanted to stack might.

Predatory Onslaught for BeastMaster Might isn’t exactly good either. Give up 10% personal and 5% pet dps for 3 stack of might, which is actually personal might stacking instead of for the team like your setup claims to do. You’ll be single target dpsing quicker without using LB5 since cripple doesn’t buff your damage. The whole purpose of using Barrage is for the cripple so Predatory Onslaught can kick in on rapid fire burst, which your setup actually doesn’t have.

Trapper’s expertise is practically useless in term of team might stacking since stacking might usually means the party is stacking on top of each other anyway. Also your trap condi dps is lousy since you are wearing berserker, which means Trap Potency’s trap duration dps benefit is also lousy. I do realize you want to use the blast finisher from both your pet but the might won’t last long enough anyway.

That setup is far far away from optimum, to the point of actually bad, even if the purpose was to help bad pug with might stacking.
I can see why lots of ppl criticizing it.

+I just tried it bit, this setup is like Phalanx Strength Warrior, only way crappier. You can build 25 stack of might quickly for yourself but for others in your team it won’t reach 25 anytime soon before the end of fight. It relies on area of might from pet swapping, trap cool down and warhorn 5. The build up is slow for the team. One rng cc from boss on pet, that means might stacking for team is broken. The duration also short. The build up is even worse if you start your rotation LB.

So 0 might for team at beginning of fight since you used LB5. Swap weapons (still no might for team, sigil of battle is personal might). Trap down triggered by enemy, Pet activated (still no might for team, Mighty Swap is for pet), warhorn 5 (area of might-team), pet’s tail swap blast (area of might-team). Doh, awkward wait for trap, Trap down, switch pet (have to swap pet because tail swipe is 30sec cd, no might for team), pet’s tail swipe (area of might for team). Warhorn 5 won’t be ready by the time pet swap since the cd is longer than pet swap and trap.

You can build personal might fast but not for your team single handedly.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Your english sucks and you’re also completely missing the point, not surprisingly.

Analyzed as arrogant. No valuable response. Check

That there are more ways to play the game than by the meta and that you can bring a lot of self-support without lacking group support.

There are. But unlike your build – they are not selfish. PvE DPS boost is what rangers are for. Probably the only class with 2 unique party DPS boosters, and you’d go for personal DPS with self-boosts that other classes provide by default FOR THE WHOLE PARTY. Pathetic in it’s sense…

If you want proof try it yourself. Why do I have to provide the facts?

Because I’ve disproved your build ages ago. If you want to claim your results to be better – it’s your turn to actually prove something but I’m afraid →

Probably, you seem naive enough to do so

or how did you try to respond to my statements…?

I could say anything I want and claim it’s “fact” are you going to believe it because I make it sound believable? Probably, you seem naive enough to do so.

Probably. But how is it possible that you are the only one who’s facts are not trustworthy and neglected? Isn’t it because your statements are based on selfish fun and not on maths? A-ha? Ba-dum-ts.

You could have been at least a bit right about my view of facts if you knew that I never blindly back up a statement if I haven’t done my personal research. After all, that’s what scientific schools are trying to teach.

I guess I’ll just have to pay attention to the names and posters. Sometimes I forget that even in GW2 community rude players who do not accept solid arguments show up. It’s discouraging to see people verbally assault anyone who does not agree. But well, it’s not like the game is for mature people only.

Also, it would be nice if you didn’t change most of the subjects of the topic into verbal abuse of how no one but you is perfect.

im sorry but i disagree with this build its nice to see something new but
6 in markmanship ; Steady Focus , Spotter , Predator onslaugth
5 in Skirmishing companions migth , Pet Prowess ,
3 in naturemagic for the 70% frost spirit buff

no need to worry about migth in dungeons coz in a dungeon i assume u run with a good setup eles will stack migth with ease want a firefield? bring torch use ur warhorn to blast it.

then swap to axe because axe 4 is a dps increase spirit quickening zephyr and signet of the beatsmaster is what u want to take.

Barrage > rapid fire > sword

My point is Party Damage > ur own Damage.
not taking the frost spirit 70% chance trait will decrease ur partys dps

and id reccomend force +nigth but this just my opnion.

‘’I pity the people who are too afraid, or perhaps too stupid, to explore other possibilities’’ Oh rigth i see so people that actually like to do max damage are considerd too afraid or too stupid.
yes that makes sense your team will be much happier if u focus more on team dps then personal dps.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

You know, just because a group of people say “this is the best there is” doesn’t mean it’s true. You just believe it because it’s more than one person saying it and they make it sound convincing. That’s called manipulation. […snip] Because if a group of people claim it’s true, and it sounds true.. It must be true!

You’re really going to claim a bandwagon fallacy after going knee deep into ad hominem?

Quite hypocritical.

OP made me LOL with the excessive amount of b_tthurt!!

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Zorby.8236:

Yes, I was. I feed my ego by seeking the praise of forum lurkers who bring math and facts to the table any time someone challenges the meta with a different way of thinking. It’s like trying to convince a priest that evolution makes more sense.

No, I won’t bring video evidence because I literally do not care about proving it to the kind of arrogant f_cks that pollute these forums with their meta kitten and p_ss all over any one who tries to be helpful in a different way. I’m legitimately offended so many people can’t just go “hm, yeah, that makes sense. I should try this out, maybe it’ll be fun!” Because it’s not like this is a f_cking video game or anything where fun should actually be had.. But nerds with social disabilities and superiority complexes, like yourself, turn it in to a competition of who/what is better because the sinking void that is their reality threatens to consume them if they don’t assert themselves over people behind a computer screen. And please, tell me about how I’m wrong again because I’ll believe everything you have to say without video proof of how your life actually goes.

It’s actually sad how many people suck the fun out of this game by trying to suppress everyone only interested in appealing to the absolute elites who sleeplessly and mindlessly farm the same content constantly living under the shadow of a fear that someone will slow their dungeon content by 3.2seconds. Because those 3.2 seconds are minutes and seconds they’ll never get back that were so ruthlessly robbed from them by the ignorant commoners who play the game casually the way it was intended.

But please, comfort yourself with knowing you got me fired up. Because your accomplishments aren’t measured by their greatness but by the nerve of one’s rebuttal.

Ha, ha +1. :-)

All nonsense aside, thanks for sharing this build, it looks fun. And it has a really high damage output with all that might.