Guild Wars 2

I’m starting to become convinced the game’s matchmaking has a sick sense of humor, it keeps throwing me in teams vs a team full of thieves and mesmers.

My pet becomes utterly useless against those two classes as they do next to nothing and turn into ammo for C&D all day every day, and I can’t seem to land a single hit on them without them vanishing on me and moving somewhere out of range of my attacks.

Seriously…what the hell Anet, this is what you consider balanced?

ps: This is further compounded by the fact that apparently if you do any kind of CC on my bear when I use Protect Me, it immediately stops working

edit: that screenshot is pretty much what I’ve been consistantly matched up with for the last few days, not cool.

well hopefully soon our resident godly ranged dps ranger can upload some videos of him dispatching thieves for all of us to learn from.

the intentional snail pace production at the professions and balancing factory leads me to believe that a few years from now professions will see some decent changes. until then just reroll or don’t pvp in this mess.

TheComet.6471:

I’m starting to become convinced the game’s matchmaking has a sick sense of humor, it keeps throwing me in teams vs a team full of thieves and mesmers.

My pet becomes utterly useless against those two classes as they do next to nothing and turn into ammo for C&D all day every day, and I can’t seem to land a single hit on them without them vanishing on me and moving somewhere out of range of my attacks.

Seriously…what the hell Anet, this is what you consider balanced?

ps: This is further compounded by the fact that apparently if you do any kind of CC on my bear when I use Protect Me, it immediately stops working

edit: that screenshot is pretty much what I’ve been consistantly matched up with for the last few days, not cool.

You could start by replacing your Warriors.

Comet find a team and start playing Tourneys. People in random games suck really hard so the only way they can win is with numbers or using classes which can be exploited (i.e. mesmers and thieves). Since I’ve started playing tourneys and fighting them 1 on 1 I have not lost 1 single fight vs mesmers or thieves. Just goes to show how bad are these players. Thieves mostly.

The reality.
A) 3 Mesmers Phantasms could hit 3k Each vs 1 Pet could that could hit about the same.
B) Illusions could be created over and over again. Pets? 2 Pets,1 Pet Active. Thats it.
C) Stealth make opponent lose target. A million Dodge wont.

Listen to Swagger.1459 Comet. He’s absolutely right there.
No point sPvping with a broken class where you could do way better with others.

I never understood why ranger damage had to be lowered because of the pet . The pet is supposed to be something extra , just like every other profession mechanic is .

shrug, Thieves really are not much of a bother, they they work well for a team because they become troublesome if you’re dealing with someone else, Wolves and Hyena’s can help with that though, you deal with the other player and try and leave your knockingdown (or other CC pet) dealing with the stealth jumping thief, not a perfect tactic but it can be useful.

Oh I know there are many on here that love to pretend thieves are goldy but with almost perma’ vigor and sword and dagger renders them impotent if you learn their stealth times or just simply time their stealth burst with your dodge/protection. The key to surviving their opening burst is Natures Protection and often a CC break.

Not sure any class one on one is outside of a few decent confusion Mesmer’s which can screw with my fast hitting shotbow, a much of an issue.

What’s your build, what your main issue with them? A glass cannon ranger is not a good match up to beat glass cannon thieves. That aside, as said above a decent thief in a group is where they are really going to shine, I’ll use my sword thief to keep darting about not really attacking in my group and then when someone is around half health I’ll shadowstep in with Infiltrators Strike, burst hard with Flanking Strike and some #1 hits, then shadow step away again outside of the melee mob.

Thieves are a problem in WvWvW , not in PvP , imho . Because they can minmax the most , and burst you down even if you are tanky

Identify why they are kicking your kitten more damage potential doesnt mean an automatic win.

For me axes tend to work well against mesmers they destory clones quickly mesmers are squishy if you are able to stay on target they die fast. Calling target can help with saying on target.

I also so fine that the 1h sword works well for me vs thieves. while you may think that meleeing with a thief is a bad ideal it works better than the short bow.

I havent spvp much since the last update. before the update sword vs a mesmer worked great with quickness after with the quickness nerf it wasnt as effective.

Axes can work vs thieves if there are other enemies around as your axes will still bonuce off invisible foes (normally killing them since they noramlly invis to heal if you survie thier inital attack).

The problem is that going going into battle without your bow will get you killed by other classses. So you cant be ready for both , unless you start building your melee skills. Which I have started doing.

While going straight melee maybe seen as a bad idea by some, I think it just as bad to go straight ranged or to rely mainly on your bow. In my view combat just flows better with mid range and close range combat for pet and master.

Plus Axes are a mid range weapon (but in my mind and I know in the minds of some of you they are regarded as melee)

One small tip vs mesmers, bring a drake pet. Their AOE attacks is your friend, and even if it’s a small help it’s at least something.

I normally run with one drake pet and then the jaguar for burst.

I did my first proper PvP on my ranger today and I do not see what everyone is complaining about. I finished my daily in the first match and halfway done with my monthly just after 10 more.

I run an SB, GS build. I started my first game and realised, I was running LB/GS instead, I adjusted my pets accordingly and charged in. LB is amazing in sPvP.

Hit 3 and send in your pet to maul the hell out of them, use auto attack while they come for you(or not if they are ranged). Wait for them to dodge once and unload rapid fire. When my jag is almost dead, I switch to my fern hound for knockdown on its first hit and swoop in with my GS.

Stealth thieves, I always Point Blank the second they appear, they immediately dodge on getting up expecting a rapid fire, but I hit auto-attack instead, I follow up with Rapid Fire, only two shots miss and boom, they’re on the floor. During all of this my Jaguar is mauling the hell out of them, and I’m saving my Fern Hound for a regen and a knockdown when I need it. My only issue is with condition builds, since I have no removal(don’t want it either). I use knight’s and dolyak so it takes some effort to take me down.

Mesmers, I just dodge a lot and try to find the main one and keep on him, Barrage, dodging, Swoop, Maul, basically all AoE and mobility is your friend.

Game isn’t balanced for hotjoin SPvP.
In larger fights thieves are just better than rangers.
Nothing to do about it play tournies or reroll or stop caring about being the best.

SPvP is a catastrophe btw if you haven’t noticed.
One of the biggest failures by Anet.

jpnova.4572:

I did my first proper PvP on my ranger today and I do not see what everyone is complaining about. I finished my daily in the first match and halfway done with my monthly just after 10 more.

I run an SB, GS build. I started my first game and realised, I was running LB/GS instead, I adjusted my pets accordingly and charged in. LB is amazing in sPvP.

Hit 3 and send in your pet to maul the hell out of them, use auto attack while they come for you(or not if they are ranged). Wait for them to dodge once and unload rapid fire. When my jag is almost dead, I switch to my fern hound for knockdown on its first hit and swoop in with my GS.

Stealth thieves, I always Point Blank the second they appear, they immediately dodge on getting up expecting a rapid fire, but I hit auto-attack instead, I follow up with Rapid Fire, only two shots miss and boom, they’re on the floor. During all of this my Jaguar is mauling the hell out of them, and I’m saving my Fern Hound for a regen and a knockdown when I need it. My only issue is with condition builds, since I have no removal(don’t want it either). I use knight’s and dolyak so it takes some effort to take me down.

Mesmers, I just dodge a lot and try to find the main one and keep on him, Barrage, dodging, Swoop, Maul, basically all AoE and mobility is your friend.

One day does not equal a proper Ranger experience in spvp. Nor does it for any other profession. It’s great that you had fun on the first day, but do not count on it being a constant experience. There will be some days where you will want to rage quit, and others where it seems you are immortal. It really depends on the stock of players on any given hotjoin spvp match server. Just don’t think that this one experience is evidence that everyone is whining over nothing, or that the Ranger profession does not have problems. Sooner or later you will see what people are talking about. It may not be as extreme as some make it out to be, as personal skill does come into play. But, the Ranger class does have some major issues. And other professions do have a leg up in pvp over others. Thieves and Mesmers are prime examples. Hence the reason why they are so popular in pvp.

Also, unless they removed the daily requirement in the last 48 hours, you have to complete three games in order to complete the daily.

Jabronee.9465:

The reality.
A) 3 Mesmers Phantasms could hit 3k Each vs 1 Pet could that could hit about the same.
B) Illusions could be created over and over again. Pets? 2 Pets,1 Pet Active. Thats it.
C) Stealth make opponent lose target. A million Dodge wont.

Listen to Swagger.1459 Comet. He’s absolutely right there.
No point sPvping with a broken class where you could do way better with others.

Some real reality.
A.1) Phantasms have the lowest HP of all illusions, around 2.5k
A.2)Phantasms also attack extremely slow, once every 4-5 seconds (or even slower)
B.1) Pets have their own stat distribution while Phantasms derive their stats from the Mesmer
B.2) A Ranger, whether they are glassy or tanky can have pets who are glassy or tanky…or both.
C) A Ranger can stealth which is a lot more than most classes are capable of.

Leo G.4501:

Jabronee.9465:

The reality.
A) 3 Mesmers Phantasms could hit 3k Each vs 1 Pet could that could hit about the same.
B) Illusions could be created over and over again. Pets? 2 Pets,1 Pet Active. Thats it.
C) Stealth make opponent lose target. A million Dodge wont.

Listen to Swagger.1459 Comet. He’s absolutely right there.
No point sPvping with a broken class where you could do way better with others.

C) A Ranger can stealth which is a lot more than most classes are capable of.

If you mean the one trait in the WS line that only goes off when cc’ed then yeah, sure, they can stealth every thirty seconds as long as you spend 20 points in that line.

Not exactly something to brag about, unless you happen to be into conditions/bunker builds.

replicacloned.2809:

Leo G.4501:

Jabronee.9465:

The reality.
A) 3 Mesmers Phantasms could hit 3k Each vs 1 Pet could that could hit about the same.
B) Illusions could be created over and over again. Pets? 2 Pets,1 Pet Active. Thats it.
C) Stealth make opponent lose target. A million Dodge wont.

Listen to Swagger.1459 Comet. He’s absolutely right there.
No point sPvping with a broken class where you could do way better with others.

C) A Ranger can stealth which is a lot more than most classes are capable of.

If you mean the one trait in the WS line that only goes off when cc’ed then yeah, sure, they can stealth every thirty seconds as long as you spend 20 points in that line.

Not exactly something to brag about, unless you happen to be into conditions/tank builds.

…and that is a lot more than most other professions are capable of.

replicacloned.2809:

jpnova.4572:

I did my first proper PvP on my ranger today and I do not see what everyone is complaining about. I finished my daily in the first match and halfway done with my monthly just after 10 more.

I run an SB, GS build. I started my first game and realised, I was running LB/GS instead, I adjusted my pets accordingly and charged in. LB is amazing in sPvP.

Hit 3 and send in your pet to maul the hell out of them, use auto attack while they come for you(or not if they are ranged). Wait for them to dodge once and unload rapid fire. When my jag is almost dead, I switch to my fern hound for knockdown on its first hit and swoop in with my GS.

Stealth thieves, I always Point Blank the second they appear, they immediately dodge on getting up expecting a rapid fire, but I hit auto-attack instead, I follow up with Rapid Fire, only two shots miss and boom, they’re on the floor. During all of this my Jaguar is mauling the hell out of them, and I’m saving my Fern Hound for a regen and a knockdown when I need it. My only issue is with condition builds, since I have no removal(don’t want it either). I use knight’s and dolyak so it takes some effort to take me down.

Mesmers, I just dodge a lot and try to find the main one and keep on him, Barrage, dodging, Swoop, Maul, basically all AoE and mobility is your friend.

One day does not equal a proper Ranger experience in spvp. Nor does it for any other profession. It’s great that you had fun on the first day, but do not count on it being a constant experience. There will be some days where you will want to rage quit, and others where it seems you are immortal. It really depends on the stock of players on any given hotjoin spvp match server. Just don’t think that this one experience is evidence that everyone is whining over nothing, or that the Ranger profession does not have problems. Sooner or later you will see what people are talking about. It may not be as extreme as some make it out to be, as personal skill does come into play. But, the Ranger class does have some major issues. And other professions do have a leg up in pvp over others. Thieves and Mesmers are prime examples. Hence the reason why they are so popular in pvp.

Also, unless they removed the daily requirement in the last 48 hours, you have to complete three games in order to complete the daily.

Fine let me restate that- I finished most of my daily in the first match.

Mind you I was running tournaments with a friend not normal PvP, I was camping with my ele friend at the temple and our two main enemies were a Mesmer and a Guardian. The guardian was easy to take out and the Mesmer took a fair amount of effort, but after I got a hang of it, the Mesmer was not downing me ever and my Ele friend took the guardian as like her, he too was a bit bunkerish. The following tournament match, I took the alter and a thief coming at me, first couple times it was a close game, by the third the pattern was discernable and was easy to take out. This was the case in most of the matches of the day following that. Only class 2 classes I had actual trouble with- bunker Ele, their self heals are ridiculous and another ranger, who was running two canines as opposed to my one canine, one feline. The knockdowns and controls were very annoying.

P.S. Good counter for thieves, Wolf F2. Start the Barrage towards the end of the Fear so even if they stealth it keeps hitting. Good idea is to Fear and switch to Jag immediately and hit its F2 for some nice burst. Stealth thieves are often squishy.

Leo G.4501:

replicacloned.2809:

Leo G.4501:

Jabronee.9465:

The reality.
A) 3 Mesmers Phantasms could hit 3k Each vs 1 Pet could that could hit about the same.
B) Illusions could be created over and over again. Pets? 2 Pets,1 Pet Active. Thats it.
C) Stealth make opponent lose target. A million Dodge wont.

Listen to Swagger.1459 Comet. He’s absolutely right there.
No point sPvping with a broken class where you could do way better with others.

C) A Ranger can stealth which is a lot more than most classes are capable of.

If you mean the one trait in the WS line that only goes off when cc’ed then yeah, sure, they can stealth every thirty seconds as long as you spend 20 points in that line.

Not exactly something to brag about, unless you happen to be into conditions/tank builds.

…and that is a lot more than most other professions are capable of.

Let’s see, thieves, mesmers and engineers can also stealth. Not only that, they can do it on demand as well, something rangers can’t except for the randomly foraged item that pigs can give you – not reliable and not even worth mentioning imho.

So, out of 8 classes, 4 have access to stealth in some form, so your argument “most other professions” aren’t true.

Chokolata.1870:

Thieves are a problem in WvWvW , not in PvP , imho . Because they can minmax the most , and burst you down even if you are tanky

Glass thieves in WvW can be very easy to kill. A lot of them rely on stealth to get them out of trouble when they are low on health. You can usually get a few hits in, then just as they are about to stealth use Rapid Fire on the longbow. It will keep hitting them and actually tracks their location while stealthed. Combine this with Barrage when they use Shadow Refuge and you’ve got an effective way of dealing with a lot of thieves.

This is probably obvious to many but I’ll say it anyway as it can probably help someone a little bit.

The sword can be very helpful in keeping track of a thief that just stealthed because of the obvious attacks in it’s chain if you start kicking and jumping you hit him, mind where you are facing while doing this though cause it can send you flying over cliffs :P

Same thing goes for any weapon with a chain in it’s attack really.

Swagger.1459:

well hopefully soon our resident godly ranged dps ranger can upload some videos of him dispatching thieves for all of us to learn from.

the intentional snail pace production at the professions and balancing factory leads me to believe that a few years from now professions will see some decent changes. until then just reroll or don’t pvp in this mess.

i think that maybe………..just maybe………you need to…….learn to play

evasive bunker rangers dispatch thieves in short order. trap rangers even shorter.

thieves are one of the easiest matchups for ranger in spvp apart from warrior

YA BOY THE KID.2743:

Swagger.1459:

well hopefully soon our resident godly ranged dps ranger can upload some videos of him dispatching thieves for all of us to learn from.

the intentional snail pace production at the professions and balancing factory leads me to believe that a few years from now professions will see some decent changes. until then just reroll or don’t pvp in this mess.

i think that maybe………..just maybe………you need to…….learn to play

evasive bunker rangers dispatch thieves in short order. trap rangers even shorter.

thieves are one of the easiest matchups for ranger in spvp apart from warrior

exactly… i kitten off thieves quite a bit with a trap set up and duel dogs. high amounts of evasions and such. just hit your stun break when you get basalisk poisoned and and then eat them up while their constantly being stunned, knocked downed or rooted…other than pistol c/d thieves that is because c/d is the hard counter to any pet…

Dear comet, first you made a video who a ranger can fight like thief and NOW you are telling us this ? dude what are you smoking ?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Hitting-like-a-Thief-Ranger-DPS-Build/first#post1830398

EvilZombie.6801:

Dear comet, first you made a video who a ranger can fight like thief and NOW you are telling us this ? dude what are you smoking ?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Hitting-like-a-Thief-Ranger-DPS-Build/first#post1830398

lmaooooo just figured out what was going on, you caught on thanks for pointing out roflllflol. no comet seriously what is it. Btw some complaints about rangers are legit while some are not but every profession forum has general complaints soooo…

Luriyu.6873:

exactly… i kitten off thieves quite a bit with a trap set up and duel dogs. high amounts of evasions and such. just hit your stun break when you get basalisk poisoned and and then eat them up while their constantly being stunned, knocked downed or rooted…other than pistol c/d thieves that is because c/d is the hard counter to any pet…

True story.
I rarely ever come by a thief I can’t solo with some pet trickery along with well played splitblades and traps.
I’ve gotten up to 22 bleed stacks on a guy all on my lonesome during canine CC and a doubled up spike trap.

Robyn Yew.6072:

EvilZombie.6801:

Dear comet, first you made a video who a ranger can fight like thief and NOW you are telling us this ? dude what are you smoking ?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Hitting-like-a-Thief-Ranger-DPS-Build/first#post1830398

lmaooooo just figured out what was going on, you caught on thanks for pointing out roflllflol. no comet seriously what is it. Btw some complaints about rangers are legit while some are not but every profession forum has general complaints soooo…

How about you 5 year old kids learn to check timestamps on posts.

This thread is from 2 days ago, the build thread is from today.

I was getting rocked by thieves so I shifted builds, OH NO SOMEBODY IS LEARNING FROM THEIR MISTAKES.

TheComet.6471:

Robyn Yew.6072:

EvilZombie.6801:

Dear comet, first you made a video who a ranger can fight like thief and NOW you are telling us this ? dude what are you smoking ?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Hitting-like-a-Thief-Ranger-DPS-Build/first#post1830398

lmaooooo just figured out what was going on, you caught on thanks for pointing out roflllflol. no comet seriously what is it. Btw some complaints about rangers are legit while some are not but every profession forum has general complaints soooo…

How about you 5 year old kids learn to check timestamps on posts.

This thread is from 2 days ago, the build thread is from today.

I was getting rocked by thieves so I shifted builds, OH NO SOMEBODY IS LEARNING FROM THEIR MISTAKES.

hey no need for insult, i did check the time stamps and i just want to tease YOU haha