Guild Wars 2

..and wow they hit hard. Was not expecting that.

Hats off to the Squire Ranger from the guild Abys on SBI

Trapper ranger, the one build that has always been good yet no one seems to use it.

That has always been good vs an immobile npc/player (non necro that is). Eh that being said, you can condition overload quickly as a trapper, problems arise however, if the opponents cond clear is off cooldown , cause long cooldown on traps.

I played a trap Ranger for a bit and yes, they can hit really hard. I always found that I struggled to survive on it but I’m not that good I guess so to those that can; you don’t want to meet them!

Problem with trap ranger is that the only condi clear you have as one is from empathic bond + no stun breaks (unless you trait for one…then you get only one on a long cd). Good luck fighting a hammer warrior

Taku.6352:

Trapper ranger, the one build that has always been good yet no one seems to use it.

I use it when I need to tag a lot of mobs…. along with LB/axe+torch.

jaykayy.6873:

Problem with trap ranger is that the only condi clear you have as one is from empathic bond + no stun breaks (unless you trait for one…then you get only one on a long cd). Good luck fighting a hammer warrior

If you cant dodge hammer stun in a 1v1, no amount of stunbreakers are going to help you – you’re just bad at playing. And besides, its very common to play trap rangers with 2 traps + LR, which is what I do.

Trapper Rangers can be very dangerous

My suggestion would be to kill their pet.

I also had the experience that trapper ranger has problems with survivability, lightning reflexes sure does help there, as well as Rampage as one for the stability. And just because it hasn’t been the meta/flotm doesn’t mean noone was running it. Maybe the exact same reason why it is still good.

Cufufalating.8479:

jaykayy.6873:

Problem with trap ranger is that the only condi clear you have as one is from empathic bond + no stun breaks (unless you trait for one…then you get only one on a long cd). Good luck fighting a hammer warrior

If you cant dodge hammer stun in a 1v1, no amount of stunbreakers are going to help you – you’re just bad at playing. And besides, its very common to play trap rangers with 2 traps + LR, which is what I do.

Dodge an aoe stun every 7 1/2 seconds, plus Back breaker & staggering blow? You only have two dodges, you use energy sigil and sword…your still going to eventually get stunned. Not to mention he’s cleansing your conditions everytime he uses a Burts skill (assuming he’s 30 into defense which every hammer is). I know this because I’ve played a trap ranger and a hammer warrior. Can’t even argue with this fact from a logical standpoint either. You say you run only two traps, if your last utility is a stun breaker, the cooldown on that (the fastest one avail to a ranger…traited) is 32 seconds.

jaykayy.6873:

Cufufalating.8479:

jaykayy.6873:

Problem with trap ranger is that the only condi clear you have as one is from empathic bond + no stun breaks (unless you trait for one…then you get only one on a long cd). Good luck fighting a hammer warrior

If you cant dodge hammer stun in a 1v1, no amount of stunbreakers are going to help you – you’re just bad at playing. And besides, its very common to play trap rangers with 2 traps + LR, which is what I do.

Dodge an aoe stun every 7 1/2 seconds, plus Back breaker & staggering blow? You only have two dodges, you use energy sigil and sword…your still going to eventually get stunned. Not to mention he’s cleansing your conditions everytime he uses a Burts skill (assuming he’s 30 into defense which every hammer is). I know this because I’ve played a trap ranger and a hammer warrior. Can’t even argue with this fact from a logical standpoint either. You say you run only two traps, if your last utility is a stun breaker, the cooldown on that (the fastest one avail to a ranger…traited) is 32 seconds.

just a question…. you’re a ranger right? So that means you’ve got an incredible amount of chill and/or cripple… and if you’re also a trap ranger you should have A LOT of cripple + an immob on one trap… not to mention you’re running a shortbow which gives you a slight gap opener +evade + swiftness…. so why the kitten are you in melee range?

If the warrior is using a hammer they don’t have kitten for gap closing, and if they do they gave up defensive utilities, ABUSE THE kitten out of that and make them your kitten from range…. Congrats, they can’t clear anything and cant even build adrenaline after the first stun whiff.

WEll not to derail the thread too much, but hammer warrior is broken in an OP sense.

I just accept that until they nerf them more.

I play a trapper ranger. LB/sword and axe (and times dagger) build

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It works, for me. That said she is my 2nd “main”. I play condition engineer 80% of the time and I really only wvw. I break out my ranger just to do something different.

For those times (where I mostly hang around towers, camps etc on defense), I enjoy her and don’t have a ton of problem vs most classes outside the hambow warriors that we talked about already.

it is easy for a ranger to doge a hammer warri, sb 3, sword2, sword 3, dagger 4 so?
25% endurance passiv reg, +vigor if you want
dont tell us its hard to doge a hammer warri for a ranger

Traps are only being used because the nerds to spirit ranger have finally made them less or as viable as trap ranger. Before the wasted 300 precision 30 critical dmg was too much compared to the huge survivability increase spirits gave.

Durzlla.6295:

jaykayy.6873:

Cufufalating.8479:

jaykayy.6873:

Problem with trap ranger is that the only condi clear you have as one is from empathic bond + no stun breaks (unless you trait for one…then you get only one on a long cd). Good luck fighting a hammer warrior

If you cant dodge hammer stun in a 1v1, no amount of stunbreakers are going to help you – you’re just bad at playing. And besides, its very common to play trap rangers with 2 traps + LR, which is what I do.

Dodge an aoe stun every 7 1/2 seconds, plus Back breaker & staggering blow? You only have two dodges, you use energy sigil and sword…your still going to eventually get stunned. Not to mention he’s cleansing your conditions everytime he uses a Burts skill (assuming he’s 30 into defense which every hammer is). I know this because I’ve played a trap ranger and a hammer warrior. Can’t even argue with this fact from a logical standpoint either. You say you run only two traps, if your last utility is a stun breaker, the cooldown on that (the fastest one avail to a ranger…traited) is 32 seconds.

just a question…. you’re a ranger right? So that means you’ve got an incredible amount of chill and/or cripple… and if you’re also a trap ranger you should have A LOT of cripple + an immob on one trap… not to mention you’re running a shortbow which gives you a slight gap opener +evade + swiftness…. so why the kitten are you in melee range?

If the warrior is using a hammer they don’t have kitten for gap closing, and if they do they gave up defensive utilities, ABUSE THE kitten out of that and make them your kitten from range…. Congrats, they can’t clear anything and cant even build adrenaline after the first stun whiff.

Your assuming the warrior is only using hammer, then yes, of course you can win. Try playing against a hambow warrior. If he’s running settlers or soldier he simply will not die. If he’s using zerk, not only is he dishing damage but has incredible sustain for a zerk due to healing signet.

Let’s go thru this one by one…

The warrior WILL clear condis because long bow burst is 100% clear, there goes most your dps. You probably will not do a very good job immobilizing him if he’s using Dogged March. Even if you do he’s got weapon swap on five second cooldown and can hit you ranged as well. Can’t do much damage with short bow ranged if the warrior is facing you (assuming your running a condition amulet which you should be with traps), which you could easily argue that the warrior actually has better dps ranged with Longbow than the shortbow on ranger. But that’s a different story. Also you assume that he can’t cripple and immobilize you (hammer 3,longbow 5).

My point: if you try and soft cc him he’ll only wipe the conditions via Longbow burst, that’s if Dogged March hasn’t gotten rid of them already. Even if he doesn’t cleanse, he still has just as good damage, arguably better damage, from range. Shortbow does not do that much damage in a one v one, most your damage are coming from traps. Assuming your good enough to even land the traps and keep him cc’d (which you can’t against a good warrior) it’s STILL a contest.

I haven’t even gotten to utilities yet, he can keep your condis off for 8 seconds via zerk stance and because you don’t have any stuns (excluding bow 5) he can run kick, bull charge and or bolas for more cc and a gap closer (more things you have to dodge) or the condi cleanse signet.

Also, remember just how much sustain a warrior has right now. Settlers or soldier + Hs = he’s immortal. And the last thing I want to hear please is poison because that condi gets removed via burst.

Also, I WANT to be wrong about this, I love rangers and want to play the class seeing as it used to be my main. But…it’s just not a contest in the current meta.

Bambula.3649:

it is easy for a ranger to doge a hammer warri, sb 3, sword2, sword 3, dagger 4 so?
25% endurance passiv reg, +vigor if you want
dont tell us its hard to doge a hammer warri for a ranger

Have you tried fighting a hambow warrior? Not only does he have cc on you as well but yeah sure the beginning of the fight you dodge a lot. What happens when all your evades are on cooldown? Weapon swap is on cooldown? No more dodges left? The warrior has so much sustain and condi cleanse that if you fight one the fight is not over in 10 seconds. Warriors…don’t….die. Stop making assumptions based purely off of skills on paper. You would see a ton of trap rangers if they were a) counter to warrior or b) have no weaknesses. Trap rangers weakness is cc and conditions. Sounds like hambow is the counter to that.

Try using trapper with a mix of rabid and apothecary(celestial) gear. Also use boon duration runes. Trait 0 30 30 10 0 and use sword+horn and axe+torch. This way you can circumvent using SOTH and can take a stun breaker or a 3rd trap.
Horn is very good for trappers as you can blast finish the traps.

jaykayy.6873:

Bambula.3649:

it is easy for a ranger to doge a hammer warri, sb 3, sword2, sword 3, dagger 4 so?
25% endurance passiv reg, +vigor if you want
dont tell us its hard to doge a hammer warri for a ranger

Have you tried fighting a hambow warrior? Not only does he have cc on you as well but yeah sure the beginning of the fight you dodge a lot. What happens when all your evades are on cooldown? Weapon swap is on cooldown? No more dodges left? The warrior has so much sustain and condi cleanse that if you fight one the fight is not over in 10 seconds. Warriors…don’t….die. Stop making assumptions based purely off of skills on paper. You would see a ton of trap rangers if they were a) counter to warrior or b) have no weaknesses. Trap rangers weakness is cc and conditions. Sounds like hambow is the counter to that.

the big problem on cleansing ire is,it can be evade, if you evade his earthquake and bow f1, that booth got an HUGH animation, what helps are spider pets, they are not melee and got not hit so often from the f1 so..no cleansing ire

Bambula.3649:

jaykayy.6873:

Bambula.3649:

it is easy for a ranger to doge a hammer warri, sb 3, sword2, sword 3, dagger 4 so?
25% endurance passiv reg, +vigor if you want
dont tell us its hard to doge a hammer warri for a ranger

Have you tried fighting a hambow warrior? Not only does he have cc on you as well but yeah sure the beginning of the fight you dodge a lot. What happens when all your evades are on cooldown? Weapon swap is on cooldown? No more dodges left? The warrior has so much sustain and condi cleanse that if you fight one the fight is not over in 10 seconds. Warriors…don’t….die. Stop making assumptions based purely off of skills on paper. You would see a ton of trap rangers if they were a) counter to warrior or b) have no weaknesses. Trap rangers weakness is cc and conditions. Sounds like hambow is the counter to that.

the big problem on cleansing ire is,it can be evade, if you evade his earthquake and bow f1, that booth got an HUGH animation, what helps are spider pets, they are not melee and got not hit so often from the f1 so..no cleansing ire

Your right about earthshaker, wrong about bow f1. Combustive shot doesn’t need a target. It’s an aoe skill, cleansing ire procs everytime with it. No target needed.

Correct.. That is the main reason they run hambow. The huge aoe cleanse area from bow f1 that regens really fast.

I don’t have a huge issue with the hambow alone. The healing signet on top of just makes it op’ed.

You guys are kind of missing the point I was trying to make. Usually Rangers are the first class I go after when I play something else since most are glass. Obviously this guy wasn’t glass and caught me by surprise. If we dueled I’m sure I would win more than I lost but in a one off I think it would have come down to the wire.

The damage was really good. I wish the logs would show condi damage

yea, its maybe fair to say that trappers can be situationally good, but as stated in the posts above regarding warriors , its close to a guaranteed lose, don’t even get me started on necros and engineers lol

Forzani.2584:

You guys are kind of missing the point I was trying to make. Usually Rangers are the first class I go after when I play something else since most are glass. Obviously this guy wasn’t glass and caught me by surprise. If we dueled I’m sure I would win more than I lost but in a one off I think it would have come down to the wire.

The damage was really good. I wish the logs would show condi damage

you’re right, sorry about that. But yes, if you compare just damage, they are pretty solid. If they had better forms of condi removal and stun break….well just condi removal even, they’d be VERY viable in tpvp.

I love when people engage my still condi regen bm ranger and immediately regret their decision.