To those rangers claiming the class is weak in sPvP, here’s a quote taken from the Ele forums.
“GOD they (rangers) make me nerd rage and QQ more than any other class. I will take a thief, warrior, guardian, mesmer any day over a ranger. I don’t know anything about their class other than they have a set it and forget it pet that does ridiculous dmg and cc, they can rip you to shreds from a distance, and when you do close the gap, they take sooooo little damage. Granted I’m not the best pro ele in the world, but I feel like if another class kills me, they at least had to work for it.”
His follow up comment his great.
“And if you go to their forums they talk about how broken they are……like, what more do you want? Like do you want the pet to actually eat the other player in one bite and then sh——- a picture of the player’s decomposed body on the player’s class forums?”
:D
I played a D/D Ele for a few months. Never had a problem with Rangers. I won some, I lost some.
I don’t understand the complaining.
But rangers are good in s/tPvP now…?
People saying rangers suck are just bad rangers… Or are trying to play DPS ranger…
Yes, it’s quite ironic that the Ranger has the strongest build in the game at the moment, with the bunker-beastmaster build, alongside two of the weakest builds in the game, with burst and support builds. Says a lot about how unbalanced the Ranger is.
Bunker regen rangers have flooded s/tPvP… I was told by the guild leader of The Professionalz [Pro] that the trap ranger was the only way to go in sPvP and that my bunker spec (which I had used to trash everyone on their team, and they are really good players) was useless in groups.
Now everyone seems to run bunker/regen specs in tPvP now and the forums are flooded with nerd rage about it. I just wish I remembered the leader’s name so I could say “told you they’d catch on”.
We are definitely a strong class, but just because we have a few viable builds doesn’t mean the rest of our stuff doesn’t need an overhaul. I love playing RRR, but I didn’t make my ranger with bunker in mind.
I want to play DPS. I want to rain hell on people from afar. Instead, I’ve been forced into playing a highly defensive spec while letting an NPC do all the work for me. I can’t think of any other class forced so thoroughly into so few niches. It’s claustrophobic playing ranger at times.
(edited by Faux Sheaux.6179)
Yes, it’s quite ironic that the Ranger has the strongest build in the game at the moment, with the bunker-beastmaster build, alongside two of the weakest builds in the game, with burst and support builds. Says a lot about how unbalanced the Ranger is.
See, this is typical overreaction from bad players that have no earthly idea what they’re talking about…
The ranger has arguably, possibly, the strongest 1 on 1 build in the game. The BM bunker performance drops dramatically as soon as the numbers increase (and I mean for both sides, obviously not 1 vs many). It’s viable, it’s strong, but it’s only really borderline “OP” in 1 on 1s. In fights any bigger than duels the pet’s survivability drops massively (particularly if you’re running emphatic bond, one of the ranger’s much needed sources of condition removal) even without being focused and with it roughly 99% of the ranger’s damage. Without their pets BM builds are just damage sponges, and they can’t tank more than 1 player if they can’t kill them…
That said the ranger does have other viable builds, for example condition damage trap build, but they’re all defensive “bunker-ish” builds.
I wish people would at least try to contain their knee jerk reactions and actually analyze things for a second.
When in PvP world all gear same stat no1 get over stat over another player
No one use high-end pinky~winky~gear to stomp blue-gear like www(I said example.)
And PvP room not have place to run or hide everybody force to cap that circle that’s all.
Ranger class must learn hard about how to handle enemy class and how to stay alive much more than another class IMO.
But if they try and know our weak spot they can handle what they see.
And year I like you said Faux Sheaux.6179 .
We NEED more viable builds.
I like to Fire suppression like hell from 2nd line build.
Try a lot but not work effect enough…sigh.
Yes, it’s quite ironic that the Ranger has the strongest build in the game at the moment, with the bunker-beastmaster build, alongside two of the weakest builds in the game, with burst and support builds. Says a lot about how unbalanced the Ranger is.
See, this is typical overreaction from bad players that have no earthly idea what they’re talking about…
The ranger has arguably, possibly, the strongest 1 on 1 build in the game. The BM bunker performance drops dramatically as soon as the numbers increase (and I mean for both sides, obviously not 1 vs many). It’s viable, it’s strong, but it’s only really borderline “OP” in 1 on 1s. In fights any bigger than duels the pet’s survivability drops massively (particularly if you’re running emphatic bond, one of the ranger’s much needed sources of condition removal) even without being focused and with it roughly 99% of the ranger’s damage. Without their pets BM builds are just damage sponges, and they can’t tank more than 1 player if they can’t kill them…
That said the ranger does have other viable builds, for example condition damage trap build, but they’re all defensive “bunker-ish” builds.
I wish people would at least try to contain their knee jerk reactions and actually analyze things for a second.
I can’t tell if you agree or disagree with me. But nevertheless, I agree with you. No build is good for all things, but in regards to the general understanding of a “powerful build” (i.e. high survivability-high damage), the bunker-beastmaster is the best.
The pet rarely dies, because it’s not worth targeting the pet, and it’s often switched out to take advantage of the F2 skills. The bunker-beastmaster Ranger doesn’t need to attack more then one player, because damage from other foes can pretty much be ignored, so you can just take out one player at a time.
Condition trap builds aren’t as viable anymore, as they use to be. Most players have learned how to avoid the traps now. And if no one is stepping on the traps, you can’t really stack enough damage.
I don’t ever recall sPvP being the focus of ranger complaints… everyone knows they’re strong there. It’s dungeon content and WvW, where pets are often rendered useless, that has many rangers frustrated.
I don’t ever recall sPvP being the focus of ranger complaints… everyone knows they’re strong there. It’s dungeon content and WvW, where pets are often rendered useless, that has many rangers frustrated.
Mmhm. I’d say something should be done about the whole AoE issue. Pets and AoE, I mean.
“Pets take 50% less damage from NPC AoE and 25% less damage from player AoE” sounds like a good start. ’Course this would be for non-Ranger pets also.
It’s a dangerous path. Because pets might become OP in dungeons. Like “Ok, just send in 5 pets, sit back and watch”. Not cool.
I feel it’s more a general flaw in game and pet mechanics. ANet decided to not have tanks in the game. Instead we use dodging for evading damage. It’s a nice idea. Too bad that our pets cannot dodge.
And regarding BM bunker:
It don’t like this build at all. It’s a really dumb build imho. But it IS a solid build against the 1.000.000 pew-pew ganking thieves out there ;-)
The problem isn’t rangers in pvp/tpvp, it’s wvw. Elementalists , if they are truly good should NOT lose to a ranger in wvw. It’s simple as that, they have way too much utility and too many combos to counter our kitten.
Same goes with a thief, if you are a good thief you SHOULDN’T die to a ranger as they have utility to get out of a situation that far surpasses any other class and completely counters ranger gameplay , which is consistent damage not extreme burst. Traps are as close as you can get to a truly good thief (im talking triggerless good) and even then you just dot have the utility they have , they can pick and prod, get out of the situation, come back pick and prod and just break you down, it’s simple as that.
Now in tpvp, those guys get kittening DEMOLISHED. But that kitten doesn’t slide like that in an uneven stat-stacking environment like WvW where classes can stack certain equipments/runes/sigils and get a completely dominant setup whereas in pvp they can’t because of their nerfs in pvp and also the stat mixtures arent as flexible so they can’t make their class op like it is in wvw.
It’s the same with guardians, Eles and thieves. They blow in pvp usually, but can stack to epic proportions in wvw given the flexibility of equipment/jewelry.
To the kids crying in pvp, welcome to an even environment where tthe nerfs to those classes are justified. It’s hard playing another class isn’t it when the kitten is even huh? Learn how to play , that’s what rangers have been told since the beginning of the game
‘learn how to play and quit crying about your class’
That’s a common motto for us. But when elementalists get demolished in pvp suddenly it’s ‘GOD RANGERS ARE SO OP WAAA WAA WAAA’ , kitten you and learn how to play then kitten.
I don’t really remember people complaining that rangers are bad in t/sPVP, most of the complain are rangers in WvW (besides duels) and in Dungeons.
In general I think rangers do great if the player know your role, as a ranger you’ll never be “THE” DPS.
A ranger works in spvp and tpvp because people have to fight on objectives. As a bunker/BM ranger, you can hold an objective for a long time. One person isn’t going to take it from you. You can survive long enough against 2-3 for reinforcements to arrive or your side takes other objectives. If you hold off 4 people while your side takes 2 objectives, you win.
A d/d elementalist doesn’t stack up that well against a ranger because of all the evades and passive heals. Pets also have an easier time with melee people because they have to come to you for damage. If you are both melee, the pet will hit with almost all its attacks. You are evading with sword/dagger. Against a decent elementalist, it should be a draw because both do not have enough dps to take out the other. The guy can just RtL away.
Pet has a long range. You could stand on or near one objective protecting it while you send your pet in to help take another. The pet will be a constant thorn in the side of someone until they kill it. Killing it is kinda hard with BM traits.
But But But… I just wanna be left alone to play my power/toughness signet build in sPvP. Definately not a God Tier build, but in a 1vs1 its about 50% win 30% losses 20% they run away.
Seriously, sPvP is about playing the map, killing people when you can/need to, and helping rez up your teammates. Rangers tend to become more aware of their environment, having to watch our pet constantly becomes second nature and we start looking around constantly without trying.
Also, If you’re playing a cookie cutter build, then we already know how to beat you. Its the random builds by good players that catch us off guard.
My personal favorite quote back then was
Healing Power is atrocious and stacks terribly. Stay away from it – far away from it!
It’s a dangerous path. Because pets might become OP in dungeons. Like “Ok, just send in 5 pets, sit back and watch”. Not cool.
I feel it’s more a general flaw in game and pet mechanics. ANet decided to not have tanks in the game. Instead we use dodging for evading damage. It’s a nice idea. Too bad that our pets cannot dodge.
And regarding BM bunker:
It don’t like this build at all. It’s a really dumb build imho. But it IS a solid build against the 1.000.000 pew-pew ganking thieves out there ;-)
So why dose that not happen in WoW?
lmao, every top team now still have one guardian one DD ele and one mesmer, rangers are replaceable by other classes depending on the team style, so I dont think its accurate to say rangers are god tier in Spvp, maybe in open field 1v1 BM can be top 3 spec, but aside from that, nowhere near top tier in Spvp/Tpvp.
“And if you go to their forums they talk about how broken they are……like, what more do you want? Like do you want the pet to actually eat the other player in one bite and then sh——- a picture of the player’s decomposed body on the player’s class forums?”
:D
My oh my, that’s wicked awesome suggestion! I want my pet to make turdd sculptures of our enemies we just slayed together! To the turdmobile!
“And if you go to their forums they talk about how broken they are……like, what more do you want? Like do you want the pet to actually eat the other player in one bite and then sh——- a picture of the player’s decomposed body on the player’s class forums?”
:D
My oh my, that’s wicked awesome suggestion! I want my pet to make turdd sculptures of our enemies we just slayed together! To the turdmobile!
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