Guild Wars 2

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Fyonna

this character has been in game for ages, and yet while people call her a ranger, i’ve never seen a sylvari turn into a spider before. usually only norn transform (and necromancers…)

so what if Fyonna is a druid?

what if the F skill is changed into something LIKE a necromancer

you do damage and build it up. when you activate it, you and your pet become one. and the bar you filled up is the hp.

when the bar is emptied(or canceled) you unfuse and return to your normal selves.

just an idea. (no proof, just my guess)

That sounds kinda cool.

Seems more like Nightmare Courtier magic than druidism. She’s a very twisted, evil character and isn’t exactly interested in upholding the balance of nature if she intends to completely change the world’s ecosystems to be spider dominant.

Ehecatl.9172:

Seems more like Nightmare Courtier magic than druidism. She’s a very twisted, evil character and isn’t exactly interested in upholding the balance of nature if she intends to completely change the world’s ecosystems to be spider dominant.

i dont mean just spiders
i mean any pet u have out at the time

Maybe it’s some of the strong desire not to be a transform thing kicking in for me, but I doubt it. If they had to make transforms for all the possible pets, it’d be a lot of work just for a line that might not even be used by every ranger build.

singinggecko.5736:

Maybe it’s some of the strong desire not to be a transform thing kicking in for me, but I doubt it. If they had to make transforms for all the possible pets, it’d be a lot of work just for a line that might not even be used by every ranger build.

eh i guess you right =x

little sad though. that would make your pet serve a purpose other than….well….kittening you off by attracting aggro everywhere x.x (stay stowed until i need you!)

Sorry man I feel like I crushed your hype. I know its all over the place but a little more control over that pet and its skills + maybe a trait that dodges when we dodge imo that should be baseline or something. That way pet can combo with us, we have more control and our pet won’t die as fast to cleave. I’d feel like the poor little guy was actually trying to help then too! Right now I feel like we grabbed the mutt of the litter for our pets.

singinggecko.5736:

Sorry man I feel like I crushed your hype. I know its all over the place but a little more control over that pet and its skills + maybe a trait that dodges when we dodge imo that should be baseline or something. That way pet can combo with us, we have more control and our pet won’t die as fast to cleave. I’d feel like the poor little guy was actually trying to help then too! Right now I feel like we grabbed the mutt of the litter for our pets.

that pet is why i have a lv 80 theif, ankitten ow leveling a necro.

i used to have a lv 80 ranger, but it was so unappealing that i deleted it
remade a sylvari range….deleted at lv 53
and now i have an asura ranger….and trying not to delete it

that pet gets me in so much trouble i prefer other classes for being able to dodge roll and not get dragged into combat.

heck on the livestreams, i always see rangers using passive pets.
in which case, whats the point of the pet? its just a hp bar to transfer conditions and dmg to.

why not replace it with the necro f skill xD

singinggecko.5736:

Maybe it’s some of the strong desire not to be a transform thing kicking in for me, but I doubt it. If they had to make transforms for all the possible pets, it’d be a lot of work just for a line that might not even be used by every ranger build.

It really wouldn’t be that much though. They wouldn’t need to make a form for every pet just the different types, like 1 for bear, cat, etc.
They could also save time by reusing a lot of the current pet skills and just adjusting the damage/cooldowns.

Ehecatl.9172:

Seems more like Nightmare Courtier magic than druidism. She’s a very twisted, evil character and isn’t exactly interested in upholding the balance of nature if she intends to completely change the world’s ecosystems to be spider dominant.

Druids can be evil you know, they tend to be all about having nature run rampant, and she is pretty much the same way except with her spiders specifically. If the world were run by her, spiders would be the rulers of it. That’s pretty druidy in the most twisted of ways.

Durzlla.6295:

Ehecatl.9172:

Seems more like Nightmare Courtier magic than druidism. She’s a very twisted, evil character and isn’t exactly interested in upholding the balance of nature if she intends to completely change the world’s ecosystems to be spider dominant.

Druids can be evil you know, they tend to be all about having nature run rampant, and she is pretty much the same way except with her spiders specifically. If the world were run by her, spiders would be the rulers of it. That’s pretty druidy in the most twisted of ways.

Indeed.

I have been thinking quietly that Druid may get Corruptions as their additional utility, it would be quite fitting imo. With some condi transfer it could be awesome.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Durzlla.6295:

Ehecatl.9172:

Seems more like Nightmare Courtier magic than druidism. She’s a very twisted, evil character and isn’t exactly interested in upholding the balance of nature if she intends to completely change the world’s ecosystems to be spider dominant.

Druids can be evil you know, they tend to be all about having nature run rampant, and she is pretty much the same way except with her spiders specifically. If the world were run by her, spiders would be the rulers of it. That’s pretty druidy in the most twisted of ways.

Indeed.

I have been thinking quietly that Druid may get Corruptions as their additional utility, it would be quite fitting imo. With some condi transfer it could be awesome.

Huh, that’d be a really cool idea imo, personally i think they should give them to a darker side of nature IE: plagues, famine, extinction, toxins etc. where as i think the one we’re getting would fit more of the general growing theme.

I’d be really surprised, but also really happy if we get a darker druid either this time or sometime in the future.

Durzlla.6295:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Durzlla.6295:

Ehecatl.9172:

Seems more like Nightmare Courtier magic than druidism. She’s a very twisted, evil character and isn’t exactly interested in upholding the balance of nature if she intends to completely change the world’s ecosystems to be spider dominant.

Druids can be evil you know, they tend to be all about having nature run rampant, and she is pretty much the same way except with her spiders specifically. If the world were run by her, spiders would be the rulers of it. That’s pretty druidy in the most twisted of ways.

Indeed.

I have been thinking quietly that Druid may get Corruptions as their additional utility, it would be quite fitting imo. With some condi transfer it could be awesome.

Huh, that’d be a really cool idea imo, personally i think they should give them to a darker side of nature IE: plagues, famine, extinction, toxins etc. where as i think the one we’re getting would fit more of the general growing theme.

I’d be really surprised, but also really happy if we get a darker druid either this time or sometime in the future.

Yeah, I started thinking about it, like, death and corruption is as much a part of Nature as growth and life, so it is quite fitting, to me anyway

Durzlla.6295:

Druids can be evil you know, they tend to be all about having nature run rampant, and she is pretty much the same way except with her spiders specifically. If the world were run by her, spiders would be the rulers of it. That’s pretty druidy in the most twisted of ways.

The problem is that you’re all missing the whole point of the druid. They were humans seeking refuge in the Maguuma jungle where they protected the jungle and eventually shed their forms to become one with the nature – pretty much permanently. This is what the ranger is supposedly inspired by in HoT.

This mumbo jumbo shapeshiftning is just that, mumbo jumbo, because other games have druids that do this and that. Fyonna isn’t a druid, and she certainly wasn’t “the first druid” as OP speculate.

And as far as GW druid lore goes, corruption is the complete opposite of what the druids were doing in the first place. Not fitting at all, and why would the ranger take inspiration and wisdom from a corrupted druid (if that even is a thing) when there probably are completely normal druids out there?

Sure, corruption is a part of nature, but I don’t see Anet taking that approach with the druid. Not when they have the opportunity to add some meaningful support to the class.

Lazze.9870:

Durzlla.6295:

Druids can be evil you know, they tend to be all about having nature run rampant, and she is pretty much the same way except with her spiders specifically. If the world were run by her, spiders would be the rulers of it. That’s pretty druidy in the most twisted of ways.

The problem is that you’re all missing the whole point of the druid. They were humans seeking refuge in the Maguuma jungle where they protected the jungle and eventually shed their forms to become one with the nature – pretty much permanently. This is what the ranger is supposedly inspired by in HoT.

This mumbo jumbo shapeshiftning is just that, mumbo jumbo, because other games have druids that do this and that. Fyonna isn’t a druid, and she certainly wasn’t “the first druid” as OP speculate.

And as far as GW druid lore goes, corruption is the complete opposite of what the druids were doing in the first place. Not fitting at all, and why would the ranger take inspiration and wisdom from a corrupted druid (if that even is a thing) when there probably are completely normal druids out there?

Sure, corruption is a part of nature, but I don’t see Anet taking that approach with the druid. Not when they have the opportunity to add some meaningful support to the class.

I highly doubt corruptions would be what we’d get with Druid, I was just saying that would be a really cool idea for a future elite spec that is the darker side of nature.

And as for the original druids, we don’t know what all they’re capable of other than being very powerful entities. For all we know they didn’t actually shed their bodies and it’s more of a being one with the force thing like in Star Wars, once you die you essentially ascend into being a spirit. The amount of information we know on druids is so small and insignificant that Anet could very easily implement shape shifting since that’s very commonly seen as being intune with nature (animals).

As long as they stick to the basics of being a druid they can’t really kitten up the lore we have now unless the druid we get is the darker side of things, in which case we would have literally 0 information on druids even being capable of that in this universe.

Actually Durzlla, decay and death are a part of what Guild Wars druids were all about.

“Darkness and light, good and evil… all are a part of nature. There is no regrowth without death… Without decay. Such is the lesson that I can teach you, stripling.”
~Dark Oak Quote.

But that still doesn’t make Fyonna’s goals in line with them. She wants to cover the world in spiders, where as the druids of Maguuma were only interested in protecting the Maguuma Jungle. Throwing it into chaos by overpopulating it with giant spiders is the exact opposite of that.

If Druid can transform into a spider, I will be thrilled.

Ehecatl.9172:

Actually Durzlla, decay and death are a part of what Guild Wars druids were all about.

“Darkness and light, good and evil… all are a part of nature. There is no regrowth without death… Without decay. Such is the lesson that I can teach you, stripling.”
~Dark Oak Quote.

But that still doesn’t make Fyonna’s goals in line with them. She wants to cover the world in spiders, where as the druids of Maguuma were only interested in protecting the Maguuma Jungle. Throwing it into chaos by overpopulating it with giant spiders is the exact opposite of that.

Which is exactly why she’d be an evil druid, an evil druid would NOT share the exact same goals and morals as a normal druid. I’m not saying any druid who uses death and decay sorta stuff is evil, i’m just saying that’s a darker aspect of nature. Fyonna as a whole would be just a flat out evil character, her being a druid or not is irrelevant to this point. If she WERE a druid though, she’d have to have a different view of things than all the others because she’s evil.

Not to mention that she likely didn’t follow in any of their teachings and would just be using similar abilities to a druid, that she learned/achieved through other means, but that’s a different story.

singinggecko.5736:

Maybe it’s some of the strong desire not to be a transform thing kicking in for me, but I doubt it. If they had to make transforms for all the possible pets, it’d be a lot of work just for a line that might not even be used by every ranger build.

no it just need one transformation for each family of pet.

Durzlla.6295:

Ehecatl.9172:

Actually Durzlla, decay and death are a part of what Guild Wars druids were all about.

“Darkness and light, good and evil… all are a part of nature. There is no regrowth without death… Without decay. Such is the lesson that I can teach you, stripling.”
~Dark Oak Quote.

But that still doesn’t make Fyonna’s goals in line with them. She wants to cover the world in spiders, where as the druids of Maguuma were only interested in protecting the Maguuma Jungle. Throwing it into chaos by overpopulating it with giant spiders is the exact opposite of that.

Which is exactly why she’d be an evil druid, an evil druid would NOT share the exact same goals and morals as a normal druid. I’m not saying any druid who uses death and decay sorta stuff is evil, i’m just saying that’s a darker aspect of nature. Fyonna as a whole would be just a flat out evil character, her being a druid or not is irrelevant to this point. If she WERE a druid though, she’d have to have a different view of things than all the others because she’s evil.

Not to mention that she likely didn’t follow in any of their teachings and would just be using similar abilities to a druid, that she learned/achieved through other means, but that’s a different story.

Two sides to every coin eh? She’d be the extremist version of a Druid for sure. Seems as plausible as anything else. She probably wouldn’t think she was evil, she’d think everyone else was! hehe

Durzlla.6295:

Which is exactly why she’d be an evil druid, an evil druid would NOT share the exact same goals and morals as a normal druid. I’m not saying any druid who uses death and decay sorta stuff is evil, i’m just saying that’s a darker aspect of nature. Fyonna as a whole would be just a flat out evil character, her being a druid or not is irrelevant to this point. If she WERE a druid though, she’d have to have a different view of things than all the others because she’s evil.

Not to mention that she likely didn’t follow in any of their teachings and would just be using similar abilities to a druid, that she learned/achieved through other means, but that’s a different story.

Ah, I see where you’re coming from now. I thought you meant a druid that’s taken to an extremist view but still inherently upholds the basic virtues, not a former druid that’s gone off the deep end to the point of wanting to intrinsically change the natural world to fit her twisted views.

I still doubt she has any connection to druids though. The sylvari use magic to turn us into things all the time, and the Nightmare Court has an odd infatuation with spiders. It seems more likely to me that she’s just using Nightmare Court magic rather than calling on nature spirits or something.

Would be nice! ~ 15 chars lalalala~

Durzlla.6295:

And as for the original druids, we don’t know what all they’re capable of other than being very powerful entities. For all we know they didn’t actually shed their bodies and it’s more of a being one with the force thing like in Star Wars, once you die you essentially ascend into being a spirit. The amount of information we know on druids is so small and insignificant that Anet could very easily implement shape shifting since that’s very commonly seen as being intune with nature (animals).

We already know that the druids underwent rituals to literally shed their human form into nature creatures. This is established lore.

I’m not interested in a discussion about what the druid spec could be if the basis of the discussion is that everything we know doesn’t mean anything. Then we might as well just wait and see.

If we go by Fyonna, the Druid will get Minions for Utilities :-D

arenta.2953:

singinggecko.5736:

Sorry man I feel like I crushed your hype. I know its all over the place but a little more control over that pet and its skills + maybe a trait that dodges when we dodge imo that should be baseline or something. That way pet can combo with us, we have more control and our pet won’t die as fast to cleave. I’d feel like the poor little guy was actually trying to help then too! Right now I feel like we grabbed the mutt of the litter for our pets.

that pet is why i have a lv 80 theif, ankitten ow leveling a necro.

i used to have a lv 80 ranger, but it was so unappealing that i deleted it
remade a sylvari range….deleted at lv 53
and now i have an asura ranger….and trying not to delete it

that pet gets me in so much trouble i prefer other classes for being able to dodge roll and not get dragged into combat.

heck on the livestreams, i always see rangers using passive pets.
in which case, whats the point of the pet? its just a hp bar to transfer conditions and dmg to.

why not replace it with the necro f skill xD

putting pet in passive mode actually allow more control, since you select his target, and he doesn’t go on a random one at the beggining of the fight.
IF you want to run around in PVE and not be annoyed by your pet taking aggro, just stow it. It’s the little icon with a down arrow on it. Your pet will disapear, and reappear as soon as you get into combat.

It also triggers one ranger trait to do that, without the penalty of switching pet. Which is good

Kehlian.4380:

arenta.2953:

singinggecko.5736:

Sorry man I feel like I crushed your hype. I know its all over the place but a little more control over that pet and its skills + maybe a trait that dodges when we dodge imo that should be baseline or something. That way pet can combo with us, we have more control and our pet won’t die as fast to cleave. I’d feel like the poor little guy was actually trying to help then too! Right now I feel like we grabbed the mutt of the litter for our pets.

that pet is why i have a lv 80 theif, ankitten ow leveling a necro.

i used to have a lv 80 ranger, but it was so unappealing that i deleted it
remade a sylvari range….deleted at lv 53
and now i have an asura ranger….and trying not to delete it

that pet gets me in so much trouble i prefer other classes for being able to dodge roll and not get dragged into combat.

heck on the livestreams, i always see rangers using passive pets.
in which case, whats the point of the pet? its just a hp bar to transfer conditions and dmg to.

why not replace it with the necro f skill xD

putting pet in passive mode actually allow more control, since you select his target, and he doesn’t go on a random one at the beggining of the fight.
IF you want to run around in PVE and not be annoyed by your pet taking aggro, just stow it. It’s the little icon with a down arrow on it. Your pet will disapear, and reappear as soon as you get into combat.

It also triggers one ranger trait to do that, without the penalty of switching pet. Which is good

if i put the pet on passive whats the point…..

and if i stow it. it shows up as soon as i get hit. why can’t it stay stowed until i need it.

arenta.2953:

Kehlian.4380:

arenta.2953:

singinggecko.5736:

Sorry man I feel like I crushed your hype. I know its all over the place but a little more control over that pet and its skills + maybe a trait that dodges when we dodge imo that should be baseline or something. That way pet can combo with us, we have more control and our pet won’t die as fast to cleave. I’d feel like the poor little guy was actually trying to help then too! Right now I feel like we grabbed the mutt of the litter for our pets.

that pet is why i have a lv 80 theif, ankitten ow leveling a necro.

i used to have a lv 80 ranger, but it was so unappealing that i deleted it
remade a sylvari range….deleted at lv 53
and now i have an asura ranger….and trying not to delete it

that pet gets me in so much trouble i prefer other classes for being able to dodge roll and not get dragged into combat.

heck on the livestreams, i always see rangers using passive pets.
in which case, whats the point of the pet? its just a hp bar to transfer conditions and dmg to.

why not replace it with the necro f skill xD

putting pet in passive mode actually allow more control, since you select his target, and he doesn’t go on a random one at the beggining of the fight.
IF you want to run around in PVE and not be annoyed by your pet taking aggro, just stow it. It’s the little icon with a down arrow on it. Your pet will disapear, and reappear as soon as you get into combat.

It also triggers one ranger trait to do that, without the penalty of switching pet. Which is good

if i put the pet on passive whats the point…..

and if i stow it. it shows up as soon as i get hit. why can’t it stay stowed until i need it.

arenta.2953:

that pet gets me in so much trouble i prefer other classes for being able to dodge roll and not get dragged into combat.

Well just like any other classes, you’ll have to dodge attacks by yourself when roaming PVE if your pet is stowed, and if you’re hit, just finish the combat and stow it again, you said that’s what you wanted. You can also hit F3 for the pet to run alongside with you without attacking anything, that’s what I do sometimes.

And the point of putting it in passive is explained in my post… you can choose his target more easily, and it won’t run into things without you telling him. Passive doesn’t mean he won’t attack, it means he won’t attack without your order. Also what you wanted in your first post.