GS Damage VS Sword
Don’t forget to take into account the ‘sword’ got several buffs via offhand axe skills and trait.
Don’t forget to take into account the ‘sword’ got several buffs via offhand axe skills and trait.
Man I wish I didn’t make Sunrise T_T
GS is great in WvW and PvP and can be solid in some fractal fights if you want to maintain scholar bonuses. Its just not an endgame raiding weapon yet.
Also we don’t know how Maul operates with spiritbeast yet.
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Sword is still better dps. The weapon itself not so much but you still get a ton of damage from axe 4 and 5.
Running zepher’s speed with GS probably helps balance things out a bit but then you’d want to run double cat’s and don’t get to take advantage of perma fury from tiger or the cc from the wyvern.
It’s a solid pvp weapon but still outclassed by sword which will be outclassed by dagger/torch.
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Sword is still better dps. The weapon itself not so much but you still get a ton of damage from axe 4 and 5.
Running zepher’s speed with GS probably helps balance things out a bit but then you’d want to run double cat’s and don’t get to take advantage of perma fury from tiger or the cc from the wyvern.
It’s a solid pvp weapon but still outclassed by sword which will be outclassed by dagger/torch.
Dagger/Axe may be right up there too, since you can whirl finish your bonfire field with it after swap. And Axe/Axe could be too with hybrid stats and ferocity stacking (A/T & A/A).
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Honestly GS has come a long way. I remember back at launch when Maul did as much as pre-buff Power Stab + some bleeds. Yeah it was that bad because the auto did most of the damage just like sword back in the beta and Anet nerfed it just prior to launch.
I love the GS, IMO is one of the best weapons for ranger with best skills, it have about everything. Sadly well is not top in damage or used that much but well, i hope soulbeast change that a little.
Both are garbage weapons for PvE with abysmal DPS.
GS is the worst of them.
Maul hit for what a thief’s bounding dodge does (a trait damage proc). It’s that pathetic.
Both are garbage weapons for PvE with abysmal DPS.
GS is the worst of them.
Maul hit for what a thief’s bounding dodge does (a trait damage proc). It’s that pathetic.
What is “Garbage” and “Abysmal” in this context? Like 5%? 10% difference? Those are hard to quantify.
Both are garbage weapons for PvE with abysmal DPS.
GS is the worst of them.
Maul hit for what a thief’s bounding dodge does (a trait damage proc). It’s that pathetic.
What is “Garbage” and “Abysmal” in this context? Like 5%? 10% difference? Those are hard to quantify.
lol not even close to 10%. Power ranger barely reaches 22k DPS. Greatsword breaks 20k if lucky.
Compare that to the 30-34k of the meta DPS spec. It’s a 31.25% difference best case scenario with sword and worse than that with greatsword.
Your one and only option in PvE is condi ranger, and that got nerfed.
Both are garbage weapons for PvE with abysmal DPS.
GS is the worst of them.
Maul hit for what a thief’s bounding dodge does (a trait damage proc). It’s that pathetic.
What is “Garbage” and “Abysmal” in this context? Like 5%? 10% difference? Those are hard to quantify.
lol not even close to 10%. Power ranger barely reaches 22k DPS. Greatsword breaks 20k if lucky.
Compare that to the 30-34k of the meta DPS spec. It’s a 31.25% difference best case scenario with sword and worse than that with greatsword.
Your one and only option in PvE is condi ranger, and that got nerfed.
I’d like to see the difference now with the additional ferocity changes we were given. If we were 32% behind the top tier before, then it will be pretty close with all the right elements. The “meta” S/A-LB build doesn’t take advantage of Honed axes for the Ferocity and we got 680 additional ferocity (in that build, if you select the traits) and the ability to hit 100% crit chance in zerker gear, 680 ferocity translates to 45.33% more crit damage. I’m not sure that Predator’s Onslaught is the better option now either, Remorseless may give a damage boost there now with the additional fury procs, assuming you are taking damage below 75% health. SotW loses it’s 13% uptime of +25% damage to provide the +180 Ferocity which is 12% crit damage all the time.
Either way, it will be interesting to see how the update has changed max DPS. I’d test it myself but…
This thread makes me so sad. Love the gameplay style and variety of both gs and sword, and was hoping to give gs a shot when pof rolled out. :C
This thread makes me so sad. Love the gameplay style and variety of both gs and sword, and was hoping to give gs a shot when pof rolled out. :C
If you love the gameplay style of GS you shouldn’t be worried about the DPS.
The condi ultra-high DPS benchmark is mostly about sitting in one place basking in your own bonfire. For literally every other piece of content in the game, power druid is better (and although I’m not a raider, I hear condi druid sucks when the boss is moving). Sword and GS and LB are much better in open world, dungeons, PvP, and WvW.
I usually find myself on here defending people who say condi is utterly useless outside of raids. Both can do anything to a very decent degree.
The condi ultra-high DPS benchmark is mostly about sitting in one place basking in your own bonfire. For literally every other piece of content in the game, power druid is better (and although I’m not a raider, I hear condi druid sucks when the boss is moving). Sword and GS and LB are much better in open world, dungeons, PvP, and WvW.
I usually find myself on here defending people who say condi is utterly useless outside of raids. Both can do anything to a very decent degree.
Not for fractals they aren’t, and even with moving bosses condi ranger is far ahead of power. Bonfire is wide enough movement shouldn’t be an issue, and a lot of the dps comes from bleeds and poison as well.
I wonder what the true party DPS different is between a support power druid and a support condi druid though. 5k? Basically misclicking a skill?
Honestly don’t know, I’m not a PvEr.
I’m guessing we’re talking mere seconds either way.
The condi ultra-high DPS benchmark is mostly about sitting in one place basking in your own bonfire. For literally every other piece of content in the game, power druid is better (and although I’m not a raider, I hear condi druid sucks when the boss is moving). Sword and GS and LB are much better in open world, dungeons, PvP, and WvW.
I usually find myself on here defending people who say condi is utterly useless outside of raids. Both can do anything to a very decent degree.
Not for fractals they aren’t, and even with moving bosses condi ranger is far ahead of power. Bonfire is wide enough movement shouldn’t be an issue, and a lot of the dps comes from bleeds and poison as well.
Have you tested power ranger for DPS since the trait changes?
Sword is overall quite a bit better in PvP than GS.
The condi ultra-high DPS benchmark is mostly about sitting in one place basking in your own bonfire. For literally every other piece of content in the game, power druid is better (and although I’m not a raider, I hear condi druid sucks when the boss is moving). Sword and GS and LB are much better in open world, dungeons, PvP, and WvW.
I usually find myself on here defending people who say condi is utterly useless outside of raids. Both can do anything to a very decent degree.
Not for fractals they aren’t, and even with moving bosses condi ranger is far ahead of power. Bonfire is wide enough movement shouldn’t be an issue, and a lot of the dps comes from bleeds and poison as well.
Have you tested power ranger for DPS since the trait changes?
Yes, it’s still kitten. It needs a whole lot more than what it got, and greatsword in particular is still garbage.
The autoattacks need to be buffed by 20-30%+, period. Maul could also use a buff in PvE.
The condi ultra-high DPS benchmark is mostly about sitting in one place basking in your own bonfire. For literally every other piece of content in the game, power druid is better (and although I’m not a raider, I hear condi druid sucks when the boss is moving). Sword and GS and LB are much better in open world, dungeons, PvP, and WvW.
I usually find myself on here defending people who say condi is utterly useless outside of raids. Both can do anything to a very decent degree.
Not for fractals they aren’t, and even with moving bosses condi ranger is far ahead of power. Bonfire is wide enough movement shouldn’t be an issue, and a lot of the dps comes from bleeds and poison as well.
Have you tested power ranger for DPS since the trait changes?
Yes, it’s still kitten. It needs a whole lot more than what it got, and greatsword in particular is still garbage.
The autoattacks need to be buffed by 20-30%+, period. Maul could also use a buff in PvE.
Um, it was buffed by 45% crit damage with ability to hit 100% crit chance in zerk/scholar with realistic buffs…..
What DPS numbers did you come up with?
Edit: I never expect Ranger to be a DPS class because that is not what it is. Straight up DPS is mindless garbage play tbh and if Ranger has to take some nerfs to it’s survivability or utility just to gain some larger numbers, I’d be pretty kittened, because you can’t combine massive survivability with massive DPS.
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The condi ultra-high DPS benchmark is mostly about sitting in one place basking in your own bonfire. For literally every other piece of content in the game, power druid is better (and although I’m not a raider, I hear condi druid sucks when the boss is moving). Sword and GS and LB are much better in open world, dungeons, PvP, and WvW.
I usually find myself on here defending people who say condi is utterly useless outside of raids. Both can do anything to a very decent degree.
Not for fractals they aren’t, and even with moving bosses condi ranger is far ahead of power. Bonfire is wide enough movement shouldn’t be an issue, and a lot of the dps comes from bleeds and poison as well.
Have you tested power ranger for DPS since the trait changes?
Yes, it’s still kitten. It needs a whole lot more than what it got, and greatsword in particular is still garbage.
The autoattacks need to be buffed by 20-30%+, period. Maul could also use a buff in PvE.
Um, it was buffed by 45% crit damage with ability to hit 100% crit chance in zerk/scholar with realistic buffs…..
What DPS numbers did you come up with?
Edit: I never expect Ranger to be a DPS class because that is not what it is. Straight up DPS is mindless garbage play tbh and if Ranger has to take some nerfs to it’s survivability or utility just to gain some larger numbers, I’d be pretty kittened, because you can’t combine massive survivability with massive DPS.
You just told me all I need to know. Massive survivability is irrelevant in raids when everything in PvE resorts to dodging at the right time and barring that a mesmer/guardian will block further damage to you.
Hell, warrior is more survivable and still puts out better damage in power builds.
The condi ultra-high DPS benchmark is mostly about sitting in one place basking in your own bonfire. For literally every other piece of content in the game, power druid is better (and although I’m not a raider, I hear condi druid sucks when the boss is moving). Sword and GS and LB are much better in open world, dungeons, PvP, and WvW.
I usually find myself on here defending people who say condi is utterly useless outside of raids. Both can do anything to a very decent degree.
Not for fractals they aren’t, and even with moving bosses condi ranger is far ahead of power. Bonfire is wide enough movement shouldn’t be an issue, and a lot of the dps comes from bleeds and poison as well.
Have you tested power ranger for DPS since the trait changes?
Yes, it’s still kitten. It needs a whole lot more than what it got, and greatsword in particular is still garbage.
The autoattacks need to be buffed by 20-30%+, period. Maul could also use a buff in PvE.
Um, it was buffed by 45% crit damage with ability to hit 100% crit chance in zerk/scholar with realistic buffs…..
What DPS numbers did you come up with?
Edit: I never expect Ranger to be a DPS class because that is not what it is. Straight up DPS is mindless garbage play tbh and if Ranger has to take some nerfs to it’s survivability or utility just to gain some larger numbers, I’d be pretty kittened, because you can’t combine massive survivability with massive DPS.
You just told me all I need to know. Massive survivability is irrelevant in raids when everything in PvE resorts to dodging at the right time and barring that a mesmer/guardian will block further damage to you.
Hell, warrior is more survivable and still puts out better damage in power builds.
Raids and PvE are irrelevant to the utility of a Ranger. Do you want homogenous classes?
Use a Warrior then.
Edit: Now I’m doubting you did any actual testing because you didn’t provide the numbers.
The condi ultra-high DPS benchmark is mostly about sitting in one place basking in your own bonfire. For literally every other piece of content in the game, power druid is better (and although I’m not a raider, I hear condi druid sucks when the boss is moving). Sword and GS and LB are much better in open world, dungeons, PvP, and WvW.
I usually find myself on here defending people who say condi is utterly useless outside of raids. Both can do anything to a very decent degree.
Not for fractals they aren’t, and even with moving bosses condi ranger is far ahead of power. Bonfire is wide enough movement shouldn’t be an issue, and a lot of the dps comes from bleeds and poison as well.
Have you tested power ranger for DPS since the trait changes?
Yes, it’s still kitten. It needs a whole lot more than what it got, and greatsword in particular is still garbage.
The autoattacks need to be buffed by 20-30%+, period. Maul could also use a buff in PvE.
Um, it was buffed by 45% crit damage with ability to hit 100% crit chance in zerk/scholar with realistic buffs…..
What DPS numbers did you come up with?
Edit: I never expect Ranger to be a DPS class because that is not what it is. Straight up DPS is mindless garbage play tbh and if Ranger has to take some nerfs to it’s survivability or utility just to gain some larger numbers, I’d be pretty kittened, because you can’t combine massive survivability with massive DPS.
You just told me all I need to know. Massive survivability is irrelevant in raids when everything in PvE resorts to dodging at the right time and barring that a mesmer/guardian will block further damage to you.
Hell, warrior is more survivable and still puts out better damage in power builds.
Raids and PvE are irrelevant to the utility of a Ranger. Do you want homogenous classes?
Use a Warrior then.
Edit: Now I’m doubting you did any actual testing because you didn’t provide the numbers.
I prefer homogenous classes if it means I can play whatever kitten class I want efficiently. I’m not going to record a video for you.
It suffices to say that the latest qT benchmarks didn’t even mention power ranger.
The condi ultra-high DPS benchmark is mostly about sitting in one place basking in your own bonfire. For literally every other piece of content in the game, power druid is better (and although I’m not a raider, I hear condi druid sucks when the boss is moving). Sword and GS and LB are much better in open world, dungeons, PvP, and WvW.
I usually find myself on here defending people who say condi is utterly useless outside of raids. Both can do anything to a very decent degree.
Not for fractals they aren’t, and even with moving bosses condi ranger is far ahead of power. Bonfire is wide enough movement shouldn’t be an issue, and a lot of the dps comes from bleeds and poison as well.
Have you tested power ranger for DPS since the trait changes?
Yes, it’s still kitten. It needs a whole lot more than what it got, and greatsword in particular is still garbage.
The autoattacks need to be buffed by 20-30%+, period. Maul could also use a buff in PvE.
Um, it was buffed by 45% crit damage with ability to hit 100% crit chance in zerk/scholar with realistic buffs…..
What DPS numbers did you come up with?
Edit: I never expect Ranger to be a DPS class because that is not what it is. Straight up DPS is mindless garbage play tbh and if Ranger has to take some nerfs to it’s survivability or utility just to gain some larger numbers, I’d be pretty kittened, because you can’t combine massive survivability with massive DPS.
You just told me all I need to know. Massive survivability is irrelevant in raids when everything in PvE resorts to dodging at the right time and barring that a mesmer/guardian will block further damage to you.
Hell, warrior is more survivable and still puts out better damage in power builds.
Raids and PvE are irrelevant to the utility of a Ranger. Do you want homogenous classes?
Use a Warrior then.
Edit: Now I’m doubting you did any actual testing because you didn’t provide the numbers.
I prefer homogenous classes if it means I can play whatever kitten class I want efficiently. I’m not going to record a video for you.
It suffices to say that the latest qT benchmarks didn’t even mention power ranger.
I didn’t want you to record a video man, but you did make the claim of having done testing to see the results of the balance patch, all I expected was “1 million HP golem, XX,XXX DPS average.”
Does it suffice to say that? Did they even test it? Don’t just rely on others and regurgitate what they claim.
I really wish I could log on atm and test this, because it would take 10 mins to have a clear answer.
I didn’t want you to record a video man, but you did make the claim of having done testing to see the results of the balance patch, all I expected was “1 million HP golem, XX,XXX DPS average.”
Does it suffice to say that? Did they even test it? Don’t just rely on others and regurgitate what they claim.
I really wish I could log on atm and test this, because it would take 10 mins to have a clear answer.
I did a casual test, autoing with sword and using axe 4 on cooldown on a golem the other day, without food. It’s nowhere close the meta power builds. Wouldn’t have been with food either. I can’t recall even breaking 20k. Don’t have the numbers you’re asking for, was just getting the feel of it.
GS only was worse though.
The funny thing is, at this point we got some decent..ish traits for an “all out power pve build”. We’re still stuck with pathetic damage coefficients on our melee autoattacks. And, that isn’t just a pve problem.
I am not seeing much of a differences when it comes to testing it on golems. The off hand with a sword can change things up a bit, but for the sword and the greatsword themselves, they seem on par with each other, with just different attack and play styles to fit different battles.
When it comes to melee, it seemed the greatsword had some better advantages with a block and an auto evade, though the sword did have some nice controlled evades. I did enjoy using both weapons, but there are times I did find myself leaning toward the greatsword more. An off-hand with a sword though did make a difference when it came to numbers and utility. So I am thinking there lies the advantage the sword has over the great sword, is the off-hand weapons you can use with it.
I just wanna add up. Power ranger as of now is sitting at 20/21k. To be viable for raid, soulbeast needs to make up 7k+ more damage.
I just wanna add up. Power ranger as of now is sitting at 20/21k. To be viable for raid, soulbeast needs to make up 7k+ more damage.
Well, Sic’ Em (33% uptime on 40% dmg = 13.3% dmg increase) Quickness passives from soulbeast will give you that 7k easy.
that 20/21k is with permanent quickness