“Sry, we can’t take you along, we will need at least SOME damage”
And then I got kicked
“We just don’t want players to grind in GW2.” – Well, I guess you really failed, ANet!
Update 5.9.2013: getting better ANet, still way to go! A Lannister always pays his debts – For everyone else, there’s Mastercard.
I don’t want to start a flame war or anything, but maybe it’s not the ranger they don’t want. Maybe it’s you the player.
Racta—that really was uncalled for!!!!!!
There have been a few threads with others having the same issue—some groups do not want Rangers because some consider the ranger a hinderence rather than a help and all the other classes are more valuable to the group as whole.
they do not want rangers, they do not want mesmers, sometimes not elementalist, etc..
THEY are stupid, self-involved and not able to care for others feeling!
What else to say?
Myself would not want to stay in such a group that wants me to change my character or cannot accept the profession which I’ve chosen.
I’ve never experienced that (yet?), either with my mesmer nor with my ranger, but I would overlook them and try to find another group which can socialize better and does not discriminate other players because of their chosen profession.
I don’t want to start a flame war or anything, but maybe it’s not the ranger they don’t want. Maybe it’s you the player.
It makes sense to me. I’ve done a lot of AC, CM, TA and HoTW Exp runs and never ever got kicked out of the party, nor in the occasional runs I did in all the other dungeons (except Arah, I’ve never done it :p).
But I’m also noticing that people is getting more and more picky when looking for groups. When I started farming nobody used to ask what level/profession you were. Lately I’ve even been asked to link my gear. But seriously, don’t blame it on rangers, we are not that bad running dungeons. It’s just that some players suck so bad at dungeons with their squishy builds that they only like warriors and guardians to save their kitten
Don’t talk to me about toughness and vitality, damage avoidance is all in this game
well, it’s not like it hasn’t happened to me before. I go like “Rank ## Ranger lf group” nothing happens. Then I go “Rank ## Necro lfg” and pretty much got a group within seconds.
I’m not a ranger but whenever I’ve been in groups wanting to do speed runs through anything they always flat out deny rangers most of the time and I’ve seen them kicked as well which is pathetic.. I understand there are some issues but that damage isn’t “THAT” bad to really warrant it but you still have a lot of people out there that will still min/max.
Just to make it clear: I did not get kicked because of lack of skill, I didn’t even have time to proof what I’m capable of. I got invited, they saw I’m a ranger and then kicked me with the above explanation.
I do not say that happens 24/7, but it actually happened before already.
Most of the groups don’t complain about rangers, thats true. But I never saw a group kicking anybody for there class – except me for being a ranger twice.
“We just don’t want players to grind in GW2.” – Well, I guess you really failed, ANet!
Update 5.9.2013: getting better ANet, still way to go! A Lannister always pays his debts – For everyone else, there’s Mastercard.
Be thankful the player base is more considerate than Anet, and find another group. Plus this happens with every class. Rangers aren’t a damage dealer, plain and simple. The fact that rangers bring no focused role to the party is not relevant.
Similar example from GW1: Ritualist healers. In many cases, just as effective as a monk, but sometimes not…. I’m bored with this, I hope I helped
I have played in dungeons with my ranger, never got kicked out, but I had several occasions in which people complained that having a ranger in the party was screwing things over (even though I rarely die and usually am fighting, luring aggro, doing the most dps I can as a ranger and healing people with search and rescue or removing conditions with bear and elite spirit).
It is terrible to be under constant pressure of having to play flawlessly otherwise people complain you are dragging the group down cause your profession is bad.
I know a lot of people will disagree, specially after this patch. But have you Rangers considered the posibility that other classes are now seing us as a usless, unhelpfull, with absolutely NOTHING good to offer mainly because we rangers keep spreading this on every single forum?
A month or two ago, we were as broken as we are now and I never saw anyone ask a ranger to switch to another char, or kick him out of a group.
Of course, some of you will say “it took some time until they found out how crappy we really are”, and well, maybe there’s some truth there, but I still believe that if we didn’t hate our own profession this hard, others wouln’t hate us this hard neither.
Like what Azel said, sometimes I feel other players ridiculously underestimate us, not because we actually suck that bad, but because they have heard too many times that we are good for nothing.
Don’t talk to me about toughness and vitality, damage avoidance is all in this game
have you Rangers considered the posibility that other classes are now seing us as a usless, unhelpfull, with absolutely NOTHING good to offer mainly because we rangers keep spreading this on every single forum?
I think the main “issue” (i’ve never experienced being kicked tho) comes from old rangers who rolled another class and lack of knowledge about rangers.
A lot of players just think that 8k > 1k, there is no way to deal with that. You also have to take into consideration that a vast majority of rangers in PvE don’t even know how to use their pet or which pet to use, i’ve played with plenty of rangers in Dungeons and most of them use the pet quite badly (or don’t use it at all).
The only downside of rangers compared to other classes in dungeons could be the AoE damage, other classes are better at bursting down “weak” mobs.
This hasn’t happened to me and I don’t have any experience in dungeons on other characters/professions. So I guess I’m really ignorant on this subject… is our damage really that bad compared to others??? Ouch…
It’s just that a fairly large amount of players think that anything but warriors and guardians are worthless in PvE. I have seen elementalists, necromancers and mesmers kicked from groups.
These are not very good players.
Luckily enough GW2 has its own version of gear check for these kind of people: look at their portrait and see if they have five signets on.
I’ve actually found that a group with a few rangers can do some things rather well. For instance, you can’t get hit by an enemy if it is constantly being knocked back.
That said, I don’t think that ranger is in a good position. Don’t start arguing with me as though I think we are the best class, whatever. Requiring several members of a class to be effective is stupid.
I have never been kicked out of my dungeon groups with my Ranger. Then again I run a critical condition build on her and usually have better survivability than most members in the groups I have been in. I even had moments when I would outlast guardians in major dungeon scraps. What most pugs in this game dont realize is GW2 relies more on movement and skill than how great your stats are. If you want to play a game where a dungeon group based on what classes and gear your group has in order to progress and complete dungeons effectively and quickly is a mandatory factor to your success, then go play some of the non skilled required mmos.
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some groups do not want Rangers because some consider the ranger a hinderence rather than a help and all the other classes are more valuable to the group as whole.
They’re just stupid, since when I do dungeons, I have almost always the aggro on me (I lost it only if I die, and it bounces between me and my bf’s thief). So… the ranger is a GOOD dps ^-^ (and I have condi build)
I don’t want to start a flame war or anything, but maybe it’s not the ranger they don’t want. Maybe it’s you the player.
It makes sense to me. I’ve done a lot of AC, CM, TA and HoTW Exp runs and never ever got kicked out of the party, nor in the occasional runs I did in all the other dungeons (except Arah, I’ve never done it :p).
But I’m also noticing that people is getting more and more picky when looking for groups. When I started farming nobody used to ask what level/profession you were. Lately I’ve even been asked to link my gear. But seriously, don’t blame it on rangers, we are not that bad running dungeons. It’s just that some players suck so bad at dungeons with their squishy builds that they only like warriors and guardians to save their kitten
Actually we are quite bad at running dungeons. Mostly because pet survivability sucks and the many projectile bugs in this game. We get on snipers vantage point and we get immunity, we get on flat ground and phantom obstructions pop up. We send pet in which is 50% of our dps and he gets insta gibbed, there are many reasons rangers suck in both pve and pvp.
I don’t want to start a flame war or anything, but maybe it’s not the ranger they don’t want. Maybe it’s you the player.
It makes sense to me. I’ve done a lot of AC, CM, TA and HoTW Exp runs and never ever got kicked out of the party, nor in the occasional runs I did in all the other dungeons (except Arah, I’ve never done it :p).
But I’m also noticing that people is getting more and more picky when looking for groups. When I started farming nobody used to ask what level/profession you were. Lately I’ve even been asked to link my gear. But seriously, don’t blame it on rangers, we are not that bad running dungeons. It’s just that some players suck so bad at dungeons with their squishy builds that they only like warriors and guardians to save their kitten
Actually we are quite bad at running dungeons. Mostly because pet survivability sucks and the many projectile bugs in this game. We get on snipers vantage point and we get immunity, we get on flat ground and phantom obstructions pop up. We send pet in which is 50% of our dps and he gets insta gibbed, there are many reasons rangers suck in both pve and pvp.
Maybe it’s just you?
I am happy with my contribution in dungeons as a Ranger. That’s after doing dungeons on my 80 Guardian, Engineer and Elementalist.
Good damage, good survivability and some decent CC (Spike, Frost Trap and Muddy terrain).
I don’t want to start a flame war or anything, but maybe it’s not the ranger they don’t want. Maybe it’s you the player.
It makes sense to me. I’ve done a lot of AC, CM, TA and HoTW Exp runs and never ever got kicked out of the party, nor in the occasional runs I did in all the other dungeons (except Arah, I’ve never done it :p).
But I’m also noticing that people is getting more and more picky when looking for groups. When I started farming nobody used to ask what level/profession you were. Lately I’ve even been asked to link my gear. But seriously, don’t blame it on rangers, we are not that bad running dungeons. It’s just that some players suck so bad at dungeons with their squishy builds that they only like warriors and guardians to save their kitten
Actually we are quite bad at running dungeons. Mostly because pet survivability sucks and the many projectile bugs in this game. We get on snipers vantage point and we get immunity, we get on flat ground and phantom obstructions pop up. We send pet in which is 50% of our dps and he gets insta gibbed, there are many reasons rangers suck in both pve and pvp.
Pet is 50% DPS? Really now…lol!
The issues regarding immunity and obstructions apply to other classes too. It’s not ranger specific.
The reason behind “immunity” is because if a mob is unable to attack you in the location you’re at, it’s only fair that you cannot damage it either. There’s nothing wrong with this usually. Given that, there’s also some cases where a mob randomly resets in the midst of a fight when nothing was blocking it’s ability to attack you. However, this is an issue all on its own as it happens to melee classes as well.
As for the “obstruction”, yes, it’s an issue, but it’s not as bad as you, and others like you make it sound. It usually only happens in certain locations because of the terrain…and, as I’ve already said, it applies to all classes. It is NOT ranger specific.
