Guild Wars 2

Situation : Soloing in PvE
Healing Spring sounds great, but I don’t know how much help it would be when you are kiting around with mobs chasing you. For that reason I have been using Troll Unguent.

Am I doing it wrong ?

No, that is fine. I used that while leveling. Healing Spring will be better in dungeons though.

Numbers wise, healing spring is the definitive answer. Troll Unguent heals for a total of 8,560 over 10s and the coefficient for it in relation to Healing Power is only 12%, while Healing Spring gives 4,920 hp upon activation, plus 2,340 health over 3s and gives 100% of Healing Power to it’s healing and lasts for 15s. That equals to be 7260 hp over 3s (not including bonuses from Healing Power). Additionally, that doesn’t take into account that you can proc the 3s regeneration 4 more times adding a whopping 9,360 more health gained over 15s for a grand total of 16,620 hp – almost double that of Troll Unguent.

Though, granted, you do sacrifice a small bit of mobility, but it’s really not that hard to run back into your area of effect spring every 2-3s.

Anything works, though keep in mind that poison has will be held by enemies in spades late game, and the extra condition removal will help a great deal.

I’m a huge fan of Troll Unguent. Even in dungeons. There’s nothing quite like popping it, and then tanking some AoE’s to rally an ally.

I’d use healing spring. Many times the best thing for kitting is to remove conditions that make you slower/damage you over time/reduce your healing, and troll unguent will be somewhat useless for that.

+1 for Spring. TU is a great skill, but if you trait for vigor on heal, there is no other choice than HS. You may be looking at an AoE heal as mobility limiting, I see it as my infinite dodge pool. Just kite a little bit tighter when you need the healing, and dip your toes back in every couple of seconds.

I love Healing Spring for its combo field and quick cast and rejuv; however, I know this is a bit off topic, but I’ve begun favoring Heal as One in Dungeons and World PvE.

Healing Spring doesn’t help my pet at all because I’m almost always in the back throwing arrows and axes. My pet doesn’t benefit at all from that and my group doesn’t understand the benefit of Healing Spring – even when I explain it (#no_hope_for_the_human_race).

I’ve played with Troll Unguent and I do like it, but it lacks the “oh kittens, I’m gonna die!” heal that Heal as One gives because its a HoT.

I’d say it really depends on the situation, but if I had to break it down:

Group: Healing Spring or Heal as One
World PvE: Heal as One or Troll Unguent
PvP: Healing Spring, hands down

Sparks you have your numbers wrong. The 2340 isn’t over 3 seconds it’s over 18.25 seconds if you catch every 3 second refresh of the regeneration buff.

So your total healing value over 3 seconds is actually the total healing value of your healing spring over 18 seconds. It’s easy to test in HOTM as you can let one of the classes kill you slowly and measure the heals precisely.

I really wish they would change the Regeneration tool-tip diction. I know it is not hard to extrapolate the amount by the current tool-tip; however, it does lead to a lot of speculation concerning the effect of stacking regeneration and the utility of lengthening regeneration durations. Would be easier to simply: “Regeneration (5 sec): 639 per second.”
As for the OP: Trolls is great for taking care of yourself and your pet. It stacks with regeneration, the signet regeneration, and the pet trait regeneration. So, lot of health being restored to yourself and your pet under all those effects.
The Spring is great in a group, and for pets that do not have their own form of regeneration (ie. they are not bears or fern hounds). The spring can also be used in conjunction with the buff sharing minor trait to stack a large amount of regeneration on your pet, but if you utilize any buff duration stuff the stacking can become rather moot.

I’ve been favoring TU lately even in group PvE (dungeons) for several reasons.

1. Shorter CD: I can more reliably save myself and my pet.
2. More overall healing
3. More mobility, don’t need to stand in the field
4. Stacks with regeneration from guardians, engis, etc.
5. Condition removal less necessary in groups with necros/guardians/mesmers due to the abundant light fields.

I agree Savoth. While it’s easy enough to divide the regen by 18.025 or 18.03 to figure out how much you get per tic it is easily confusing.

Healing Springs bonus is traited it gets better, AOE vigor every 3 seconds and if you trait for 33% regen increase plus additional boon increase from runes and have a style that fights in the spirng you can have 100% heal uptime at cap about 297(from) from healing spring regen’s. If you have also added the signet and the 30 beastmastery talent(Which unfortunately doesn’t seem to benefit from healing) you can run alot of incoming healing every second. Which you need as that setup has low overall health pool.

Troll Ungeunt is solo work if youa re somewhat durable. Healing spring is group and perhaps if you skimped on condition removal need the vigor. Heal as one – glass cannon builds that won’t reliably live 10 seconds and need a quick refresh to kill before dying.

Can anyone confirm that the 33% regen time-increase trait applies to TU? I have it traited, but I coulda swore it was still 10 seconds long. :/

Obsidian.1328:

Can anyone confirm that the 33% regen time-increase trait applies to TU? I have it traited, but I coulda swore it was still 10 seconds long. :/

It don’t, i’ve tried it myself numerous times. And TU don’t benefit from it at all.

Obsidian.1328:

Can anyone confirm that the 33% regen time-increase trait applies to TU? I have it traited, but I coulda swore it was still 10 seconds long. :/

If I recall correctly, TU is not actually applying the boon “regeneration”, so it’s not affected by traiting.

Obsidian.1328:

Can anyone confirm that the 33% regen time-increase trait applies to TU? I have it traited, but I coulda swore it was still 10 seconds long. :/

33% does not apply to ungeunt just to regeneration boons. If your not in a build relying on regneration no reason to have that trait. Ungeunts status as a different type of regeneration means it stacks with regenerations simultaneously rather than by duration however.

I used Troll Unguent when soloing until I found out that with [Vigorous Renewal] (Wilderness Survival 10) Healing Spring gives you 3 seconds of Vigor every time it gives you the Regeneration, so up to 15 or 18 seconds. Also in ideal situation you can use it to give your pet Regeneration from afar because it’s a water field.
I’m not completely sure but I think it also gives Vigor to your allies inside the Healing Spring.

Well that is plain suxors! So unless the little regen “icon” is up, something that is regenerating is not considered regenerating??

Moving to bugs/glitches forums…

Thank you guys btw

Obsidian.1328:

Well that is plain suxors! So unless the little regen “icon” is up, something that is regenerating is not considered regenerating??

Moving to bugs/glitches forums…

Thank you guys btw

Ungeunt doesn’t appear to be considered a boon. Notice it’s icon appears where your signet symbols do not in the removable and extendable boons line. It’s like a powerful temporary signet.

Regeneration can be debuffed ungeunt I don’t believe can.

I used TU for my ranger all the way from low level to 80. Works great. Stacked with the regen signet it can become pretty powerful for your pet. Healing Spring is the better choice for some situations and is certainly more party friendly.

Sparks The Rescue.1963:

Numbers wise, healing spring is the definitive answer. Troll Unguent heals for a total of 8,560 over 10s and the coefficient for it in relation to Healing Power is only 12%, while Healing Spring gives 4,920 hp upon activation, plus 2,340 health over 3s and gives 100% of Healing Power to it’s healing and lasts for 15s. That equals to be 7260 hp over 3s (not including bonuses from Healing Power). Additionally, that doesn’t take into account that you can proc the 3s regeneration 4 more times adding a whopping 9,360 more health gained over 15s for a grand total of 16,620 hp – almost double that of Troll Unguent.

Though, granted, you do sacrifice a small bit of mobility, but it’s really not that hard to run back into your area of effect spring every 2-3s.

The tool tip for healing spring is NOT per 3s its per the 6 tics of 3s regen you get, aka if u were in it the whole time… just wow..

@ Sco: I don’t understand the nuance you are trying to point out. Could you elaborate for me?

Thanks!

Tracker.6483:

@ Sco: I don’t understand the nuance you are trying to point out. Could you elaborate for me?

Thanks!

What the post I was quoting said that Healing Spring heals for the listed tooltip amount for the regeneration every 3 seconds.. that is the total amount of regen healing for the entire duration of the skill, not per 3s. lesigh

I personally use healing spring, but then again my build is a support build and aoe con removal and regen is pretty amazing for group support…

That being said, TU is the best heal if you’re sturdy enough to not melt should you still be attacked as you are healing, healing spring is great for group support, or any high healin power build due to how amazingly it scales with that stat, and then heal as one is good for any squishy build, it also scales pretty amazingly with healing power so if you’re going with a high healing power build but are going more for self survivability pick HaO.

Some downsides to healing spring you guys aren’t mentioning: a vast amount of the heal can be removed via boon removal, knock backs, just general not being able to stand in it sort of stuff, not to mention that it has the longest CD, so if you can’t keep that regen going most of the time you heal you’re kinda boned.

Some huge advantageous to TU is that you get THE MOST raw healing and no one can do anything about it unless you were poisoned BEFORE you put it up (once it’s been applied poison doesn’t effect it.) and correct me if I’m mistaken, but I believe it has the lowest CD.

As for HaO it’s ok, I don’t like raw healing (all those years of ring a resto Druid in wow lol) so I’m biased against it, find someone else’s opinion on that one!!

deepwinter.9015:

I love Healing Spring for its combo field and quick cast and rejuv; however, I know this is a bit off topic, but I’ve begun favoring Heal as One in Dungeons and World PvE.

Healing Spring doesn’t help my pet at all because I’m almost always in the back throwing arrows and axes. My pet doesn’t benefit at all from that and my group doesn’t understand the benefit of Healing Spring – even when I explain it (#no_hope_for_the_human_race).

I’ve played with Troll Unguent and I do like it, but it lacks the “oh kittens, I’m gonna die!” heal that Heal as One gives because its a HoT.

I’d say it really depends on the situation, but if I had to break it down:

Group: Healing Spring or Heal as One
World PvE: Heal as One or Troll Unguent
PvP: Healing Spring, hands down

I agree with this guy for pve. However for WvW and sPvP I think its more about melee or ranged. If you are mostly at range I say healing spring, if you are in melee, troll unguent. I do think heal as one could use a healing buff. It just feels weak compared to the others. Also early lvling, troll unguent is boss, its op, it heals for like twice your health, atleast at like 10-20. After that its fair game I believe.

@dante lol oh god early lv that thing is so freaking OP it’s ridiculous!’ It evens out though, it’s still an amazingly high amount of health though!!

Durzlla.6295:

@dante lol oh god early lv that thing is so freaking OP it’s ridiculous!’ It evens out though, it’s still an amazingly high amount of health though!!

Yea lol, when I was lvling my troll unguent at like lvl 7 was healing for 1k and I had 5k hp… I was like uh yea. ACTIVATE GOD MODE, GO.

Dante Dragonhand.2538:

Durzlla.6295:

@dante lol oh god early lv that thing is so freaking OP it’s ridiculous!’ It evens out though, it’s still an amazingly high amount of health though!!

Yea lol, when I was lvling my troll unguent at like lvl 7 was healing for 1k and I had 5k hp… I was like uh yea. ACTIVATE GOD MODE, GO.

lol i know i would charge head first into things with troll unguent ticking and get whispers saying, “How come you’re not dying?!?” or “HACKER!!” it was ridiculous xD, it made my power armor set (god i can’t stand the look of studded armor i don’t care HOW AMAZING those stats are, not gonna wear that stupid armor type…) not a total glass cannon xD

Durzlla.6295:

Dante Dragonhand.2538:

Durzlla.6295:

@dante lol oh god early lv that thing is so freaking OP it’s ridiculous!’ It evens out though, it’s still an amazingly high amount of health though!!

Yea lol, when I was lvling my troll unguent at like lvl 7 was healing for 1k and I had 5k hp… I was like uh yea. ACTIVATE GOD MODE, GO.

lol i know i would charge head first into things with troll unguent ticking and get whispers saying, “How come you’re not dying?!?” or “HACKER!!” it was ridiculous xD, it made my power armor set (god i can’t stand the look of studded armor i don’t care HOW AMAZING those stats are, not gonna wear that stupid armor type…) not a total glass cannon xD

Thats why I tend to stick with the heritage chest and thief hood on my ranger, its very sexy together and gives me that connor assassins creed feel.