Guild Wars 2

This afternoon me and my partner and two other people were chasing down a ranger in dubs. He was definitely a ranger, probably with two canines given how they were functioning. He was using Greatsword and Sword/Torch.

First, he was constantly healing to full despite massive incoming burst damage. I’m a GS/Staff mesmer in all Knight’s gear, and my partner is a Power D/D Necro with seriously high damage output and siphoning.

Second, he was regularly disappearing and reappearing, causing us to lose target lock (and often relock on his pet). I’m talking every 6-ish seconds, he’s just not there for about 3-4 seconds. And then he’s back, and he’s moved position.

Usually he’d come back with full health. It was insane; I’ve never seen anything like it.

After he nickel and dimed down me and my partner who were trying furiously to burst him down before he had a chance to poof again, we sat there dead and watched him repeat on two other scrappers from our side who went through what we did. One of them was a D/D Ele using all the standard tactics. I don’t know what the other player was. At one point, after the Ele had spent more than 3 minutes trying to nail the guy (who is still miraculously at full health most of the time and not running away from the Ele: just disappearing and reappearing a lot) the Ele said “hax”, which is what got me wondering…

I’ve never seen anything like the teleport farmers or similar hacks in dubs, but maybe I’ve just been lucky? I looked up the one tool that the bots seem to be using for teleport harvesting, and it advertises a “god mode” and an “invisibility”.

But assuming he/she wasn’t hacking, the only thing I could think of was that maybe Hornet Sting is known to cause culling issues? That’s usable about every 6 seconds, so it might fight, but I could swear I saw him/her disappearing even when using GS moves so I dunno. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Oh, one other thing. I play an 80 ranger in PvE, and I use SB + Axe/Torch in that context. I know how torch works inside out and why you’d have one. That ranger defintely was using sword/torch as one of his weapon sets, but he never, ever once laid down a torch4 or torch5. I would know exactly what they’d look like.

shaktiboi.5194:

This afternoon me and my partner and two other people were chasing down a ranger in dubs. He was definitely a ranger, probably with two canines given how they were functioning. He was using Greatsword and Sword/Torch.

First, he was constantly healing to full despite massive incoming burst damage. I’m a GS/Staff mesmer in all Knight’s gear, and my partner is a Power D/D Necro with seriously high damage output and siphoning.

Second, he was regularly disappearing and reappearing, causing us to lose target lock (and often relock on his pet). I’m talking every 6-ish seconds, he’s just not there for about 3-4 seconds. And then he’s back, and he’s moved position.

Usually he’d come back with full health. It was insane; I’ve never seen anything like it.

After he nickel and dimed down me and my partner who were trying furiously to burst him down before he had a chance to poof again, we sat there dead and watched him repeat on two other scrappers from our side who went through what we did. One of them was a D/D Ele using all the standard tactics. I don’t know what the other player was. At one point, after the Ele had spent more than 3 minutes trying to nail the guy (who is still miraculously at full health most of the time and not running away from the Ele: just disappearing and reappearing a lot) the Ele said “hax”, which is what got me wondering…

I’ve never seen anything like the teleport farmers or similar hacks in dubs, but maybe I’ve just been lucky? I looked up the one tool that the bots seem to be using for teleport harvesting, and it advertises a “god mode” and an “invisibility”.

But assuming he/she wasn’t hacking, the only thing I could think of was that maybe Hornet Sting is known to cause culling issues? That’s usable about every 6 seconds, so it might fight, but I could swear I saw him/her disappearing even when using GS moves so I dunno. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Oh, one other thing. I play an 80 ranger in PvE, and I use SB + Axe/Torch in that context. I know how torch works inside out and why you’d have one. That ranger defintely was using sword/torch as one of his weapon sets, but he never, ever once laid down a torch4 or torch5. I would know exactly what they’d look like.

I actually main a ranger and I had this happen to me fighting another ranger under water. Was the strangest thing ever because I didn’t know rangers could stealth at all, even under water, and yet every ~5 seconds he’d disappear and reappear like he was a thief. I thought for sure the guy was hacking but I had no idea how to report he. He killed me (which killing a ranger underwater is nearly impossible but he did it solo somehow?) and vanished never to be seen again.

Pretty sure this is some sort of culling hack someone has discovered. Can’t wait until they fix culling because thieves are my greatest enemy.

I’ve even fought a thief that killed me and I was never able to target him ONCE. That’s right, he NEVER showed up on my screen until I was dead and he was standing over my body /laughing.

Just out of curiosity, what server was this on? A few people fought a dude with the same weapon/pet set tonight who was really tough. I fought him too and neither myself nor anyone else saw anything wonky going on.

Edit: My money is on culling if it is indeed the same guy.

Maguuma vs Borlis Pass vs I can’t remember, lol.

The followup skill of Hornet Sting (Monarch’s Leap) is a leap finisher.
If there was a Thief or Engineer around he could have used smoke fields to stealth.

But it seems a little strange from what you’ve described, even if you consider that.

Rengaru.4730:

The followup skill of Hornet Sting (Monarch’s Leap) is a leap finisher.
If there was a Thief or Engineer around he could have used smoke fields to stealth.

But it seems a little strange from what you’ve described, even if you consider that.

It was definitely just one person.

I havent come across this problem with any rangers, however there is some form of stealth hack / exploit that a thief is using atm vs my server (SFR).

He enters our keeps and destroys all the siege equipment solo even with an army around him. He stays perma stealth (im talking 20-30 seconds here) and only materialises when he is destroying the siege equipment.
AoE doesn’t seem to affect him at all.

The worst part is, he gets reported server wide every time he is spotted and he is still there

Before anyone says thieves can do this and it isnt an exploit, let me explain that he destroys all sieges in one keep, then all of a sudden he is inside another without any walls or gates being damaged.

This is really a case of ‘fraps or it didn’t happen’.

Well, rangers can traitskill Hide in Plain Sight from the Wilderness Survival traitline (Applies camouflage when you are dazed, knocked down, launched, pushed back, or stunned. This effect cannot trigger more than once every 30 seconds.).

But yea.. cannot trigger more then once every 30 sec. And it is passively applid, so it is not up to the ranger to use it tactically.
I dont know if this is bugged in some way though.

Brett.4305:

Can “Order of Whispers Spy Kit” Soulbound consumable work in WvW and/or PvP ?
I have two dozen and use them in PvE to break aggro but I never take my ranger PvP.

I think you can use all pve-stuff in WwW. Food that boosts stats and hp also i think. Dont know though cause i cant be bothered to try lol. I see it as lame^^

where to get order of whisper spykit?

i did use wiki to look it up, it seems a legit on demand invi potion for 16 copper,

What about Wilderness Knowledge trait from Wilderness Survival trait line? Does it affect traits too? And he could use http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rune_of_Infiltration
Also I always though about bonds with pets. What if Hide in Plain Sight has it cooldown on you and also on pet and you get the bond, so hitting pet also gives you stealth?

Edit: Dulfy’s guide says this potion and its similar “Legion spy kit” are not usable in sPvP or WvW. So that’s not it. Unless somebody figured out a hack that turns off the flag that should prevent these from being used in dubs? Or unless Dulfy is wrong? Or perhaps at one point they were unusable, but a more recent patch made them usable in Dubs (whether intended by Anet or not).

Brett.4305:

Can “Order of Whispers Spy Kit” Soulbound consumable work in WvW and/or PvP ?
I have two dozen and use them in PvE to break aggro but I never take my ranger PvP.

If there’s no CD on successive use of these, then perhaps that is a legit way to achieve what I saw. They supposedly provide stealth for 3s and Confusion to targets within 120 range for 3s.

I did see some confusion symbols appearing but being a mesmer, most of the time I’m the one causing them.

For 16c apiece, this could be a useful weapon in one’s arsenal, if it truly works in dubs and if it has no cooldown. That’s 1.6s for 10x of them. 1.6g for 100x of them. Too price for some folks, but for others, thats a reasonable expense to walk around with roughly ~100 of these at any given time.

Of course, you’d have to resize your inventory window as small as possible to make it possible to click one when you need it…

Sounds like it was a thief, remember there are runes that summon pets. Or even better it was 2 guys and one was using potions to turn into a pet. And they tricked ya

Can no longer use spy kits and the like in WvW. Have had the same thing happen before when I have been fighting theives, they disappear for one second and reappear standing over your downed body. Just like kids.

Sol.4310:

Sounds like it was a thief, remember there are runes that summon pets. Or even better it was 2 guys and one was using potions to turn into a pet. And they tricked ya

No, sorry. Thief cannot wield GS (nor sword/torch), and the certainly cannot display signature GS “wings”, etc.

Is hacking common in this game? I’m coming from PlanetSide 2 a free to play game with rampant, blatant hacks everywhere. Just today hackers were spawning in assets(turrets) in the middle of the map and porting people to random places. That game is a nightmare to even contemplate playing.

I don’t think Guild Wars2 is bad at all in terms of hacking because this is really the first I’ve seen mentioned of it but I just wondering if anyone has seen a hacker in-game? I am sure they are dealt with rapidly?

Rangers have tons of combo finishers, stealth on knockdown, stealth on percent life damage, stealth from Juvenile Siamoth, as well as plenty of BLINDS and evades.

You lost legitimately to a good ranger BUT IT MUST BE CULLING! Lol, sorry, but you lost plain and simple

Stealth on percent life damage? We have no such trait.

Also as far as I know, the only blind we have is from one of our spirits. I cannot be bothered to look it up.

Chopps.5047:

Rangers have tons of combo finishers, stealth on knockdown, stealth on percent life damage, stealth from Juvenile Siamoth, as well as plenty of BLINDS and evades.

You lost legitimately to a good ranger BUT IT MUST BE CULLING! Lol, sorry, but you lost plain and simple

No. Sorry. All rangers have that can stealth are:

“Hide in Plain Sight”, which is on a 30-second CD.
Jaguar Pet’s special skill, which is also on a 30-second CD.

This guy was disappearing every 5-6 seconds, often for as long as 5 seconds at a time.

You forget: I play a L80 ranger.

Well, I just had this happen to me last night. Fought a Ranger who had a Raven pet and used GS. He stealthed right when the fight started..then 2 more times during the fight…and yes, 100% it was a Ranger because i saw his signets when I clicked on him.

Either a hack or there is another way to get stealth that I don’t know about (since I am new it is very possible)

…oh, and for the troll named chops…I won the fight.

Surprisingly I’ve had this happen to me by a warrior, guardian AND elementalist in spvp today. No shadow refugee’s or stealth walls from thieves were up, as it is visually obvious if there was. They were popping in and out, making it almost impossible to land burst on them. Really hope Anet looks into this, as it is becoming quite a nusense.

Forzani.2584:

Well, I just had this happen to me last night. Fought a Ranger who had a Raven pet and used GS. He stealthed right when the fight started..then 2 more times during the fight…and yes, 100% it was a Ranger because i saw his signets when I clicked on him.

Either a hack or there is another way to get stealth that I don’t know about (since I am new it is very possible)

…oh, and for the troll named chops…I won the fight.

-_-

Guess what? Raven blinds. He’s not targetable because he blinded you. I’m glad you won the fight, good for you. Learn what “blind” means and stop complaining about hacks (yet I’m the troll here apparently).

OreoWolf.9564:

Surprisingly I’ve had this happen to me by a warrior, guardian AND elementalist in spvp today. No shadow refugee’s or stealth walls from thieves were up, as it is visually obvious if there was. They were popping in and out, making it almost impossible to land burst on them. Really hope Anet looks into this, as it is becoming quite a nusense.

It’s called “blind” everyone. It is quite the nuisance if you don’t know how to deal with it. It’s not surprising that people use it considering lots of people (you guys for example) don’t even know what it is. Blind makes it so your attacks miss, not a bug.

shaktiboi.5194:

Chopps.5047:

Rangers have tons of combo finishers, stealth on knockdown, stealth on percent life damage, stealth from Juvenile Siamoth, as well as plenty of BLINDS and evades.

You lost legitimately to a good ranger BUT IT MUST BE CULLING! Lol, sorry, but you lost plain and simple

No. Sorry. All rangers have that can stealth are:

“Hide in Plain Sight”, which is on a 30-second CD.
Jaguar Pet’s special skill, which is also on a 30-second CD.

This guy was disappearing every 5-6 seconds, often for as long as 5 seconds at a time.

You forget: I play a L80 ranger.

You do know the siamoth pet gives you 2 different stealths right? As well as infiltrator runes as someone already said. And the trait to stealth when incapacitated. Its conceivable that a ranger could have a stealth every 20-25seconds. Not saying this guy isnt hacking or something but if in the heat of battle you thought it was more frequent than it was that might be an explanation. Hit troll unguent then siamoth stealth, come back full health. Repeat with hide in plain sight next time he got knocked down or something. Then do the trolls/siamoth stealth again. Then if you almost kill him the runes would kick in for more stealth, etc. Could even switch to one of the other pigs that could forage an extra heal and a short invuln buff to make it seem even more hax-ish.

Relair.1843:

shaktiboi.5194:

Chopps.5047:

Rangers have tons of combo finishers, stealth on knockdown, stealth on percent life damage, stealth from Juvenile Siamoth, as well as plenty of BLINDS and evades.

You lost legitimately to a good ranger BUT IT MUST BE CULLING! Lol, sorry, but you lost plain and simple

No. Sorry. All rangers have that can stealth are:

“Hide in Plain Sight”, which is on a 30-second CD.
Jaguar Pet’s special skill, which is also on a 30-second CD.

This guy was disappearing every 5-6 seconds, often for as long as 5 seconds at a time.

You forget: I play a L80 ranger.

You do know the siamoth pet gives you 2 different stealths right? As well as infiltrator runes as someone already said. And the trait to stealth when incapacitated. Its conceivable that a ranger could have a stealth every 20-25seconds. Not saying this guy isnt hacking or something but if in the heat of battle you thought it was more frequent than it was that might be an explanation. Hit troll unguent then siamoth stealth, come back full health. Repeat with hide in plain sight next time he got knocked down or something. Then do the trolls/siamoth stealth again. Then if you almost kill him the runes would kick in for more stealth, etc. Could even switch to one of the other pigs that could forage an extra heal and a short invuln buff to make it seem even more hax-ish.

Okay, I’ll say it again. The guy was vanishing literally every 5-6 seconds. Not perception error in the heat of battle. As I lay there dead with my partner, we watched him for another minute and a half while two other people from our side continued to try to take him down. Every 5-6 seconds. I was timing it calmly while dead.

Siamoth pet? The forage results are random and he can forage only on a 40-second cooldown. Yes, I mixed up Siamoth with Jaguar above, since i use neither regularly. So: every 40 seconds, you have a 66% chance of getting a stealth effect when you use the Siamoth’s special effect.

Look, I’m not the only one here who has reported seeing non-theif characters somehow vanishing from sight (and losing target lock ala stealth) roughly every 5-6 seconds. I figured it was just culling from a skill like Hornet Sting and came here to check. I appreciate the well-intended “rangers have lots of ways to stealth” but that’s not a legit stealth from legit ranger skills I was seeing. It’s really that simple. It’s either culling from from normal ranger skill (like Hornet Sting) or it’s a hack. Pure and simple. Unless Anet goofed in a recent patch and in fact those two spy kit consumables are actually working in WvW right now.

LOL at people claiming this is due to the “blind” effect. I didn’t know blind automatically makes all enemies on your screen go stealth mode? If this is the case, let’s replace blind with a solid black screen that doesn’t go away until you hit someone. But seriously, people need to L2READ.

shaktiboi.5194:

Chopps.5047:

Rangers have tons of combo finishers, stealth on knockdown, stealth on percent life damage, stealth from Juvenile Siamoth, as well as plenty of BLINDS and evades.

You lost legitimately to a good ranger BUT IT MUST BE CULLING! Lol, sorry, but you lost plain and simple

No. Sorry. All rangers have that can stealth are:

“Hide in Plain Sight”, which is on a 30-second CD.
Jaguar Pet’s special skill, which is also on a 30-second CD.

This guy was disappearing every 5-6 seconds, often for as long as 5 seconds at a time.

You forget: I play a L80 ranger.

Omg you clearly aren’t a good one then…

Siamoth, —→ forage —> feathers/tuft --→ stealth

Infiltrators runes (which are currently bugged to be CDless in PvE/dubs my ele friend stealthed at low health 6 times in the same fractal boss fight, which doesn’t take NEARLY as long as the CD would make it) —-→ low health——> stealth

And as for his regen, that’s legit, I have a ranger build where I regen 1k health per second, it’s pretty fun to say the least….

And this entire post you have, sounds like BS, if you’re a lv 80 ranger main HOW THE kitten did you not notice what the guys pet was? You supposedly fought him for a long period of time and then -watch- him fight others for a long period of time yet don’t know what his pets are?

PS: d/d eles tend to call “hax” if anyone eats them because a lot of them seem to think d/d ele isn’t supposed to lose… Or at least that’s what I’ve discovered from sPvP

Durzlla.6295:

shaktiboi.5194:

Chopps.5047:

Rangers have tons of combo finishers, stealth on knockdown, stealth on percent life damage, stealth from Juvenile Siamoth, as well as plenty of BLINDS and evades.

You lost legitimately to a good ranger BUT IT MUST BE CULLING! Lol, sorry, but you lost plain and simple

No. Sorry. All rangers have that can stealth are:

“Hide in Plain Sight”, which is on a 30-second CD.
Jaguar Pet’s special skill, which is also on a 30-second CD.

This guy was disappearing every 5-6 seconds, often for as long as 5 seconds at a time.

You forget: I play a L80 ranger.

Omg you clearly aren’t a good one then…

Siamoth, —-> forage —> feathers/tuft ---> stealth

Infiltrators runes (which are currently bugged to be CDless in PvE/dubs my ele friend stealthed at low health 6 times in the same fractal boss fight, which doesn’t take NEARLY as long as the CD would make it) —--> low health——> stealth

And as for his regen, that’s legit, I have a ranger build where I regen 1k health per second, it’s pretty fun to say the least….

And this entire post you have, sounds like BS, if you’re a lv 80 ranger main HOW THE kitten did you not notice what the guys pet was? You supposedly fought him for a long period of time and then -watch- him fight others for a long period of time yet don’t know what his pets are?

PS: d/d eles tend to call “hax” if anyone eats them because a lot of them seem to think d/d ele isn’t supposed to lose… Or at least that’s what I’ve discovered from sPvP

From the very first paragraph in the OP:

“He was definitely a ranger, probably with two canines given how they were functioning.”

As for the jaguar vs siamoth brainfart, I already explained that a few posts up from yours.