Guild Wars 2

Not sarcasm.

Seriously, how are your pets dying in PvE? With +75% HP? I just don’t see what you guys say are supposedly killing them, and I use Jaguar most of the time.

The only bosses which ever gave me trouble were Mossman, and Arch Diviner, but why would you use a melee pet on them in the first place?

It is outside of PvE where our pets are dying so easily. I won’t comment on dungeons as I rarely do them.

What you see is WvW players complaining. Pets didn’t get a health boost there and are still squishy as a tissue paper.

For me the PvE health boost has been a godsend. I can finally run Jaguar/Raven without worrying all the time.

Would it really be too much if the +75% hps also applied in wvw? What scenario would it break?

Bombsaway.7198:

Would it really be too much if the +75% hps also applied in wvw? What scenario would it break?

Most likely solo roamers. Why do you think this wasn’t applied in PvP?

normal mob hits pet —> pet instant dead —> end (for example karka)

Mostly my pets die when I solo champs in open world. There’s a golem in Mount Maelstrom that really does a number on them.

After the patch, I made a kitten full melee ranger build for dungeons, with sword warhorn and greatsword, and a combination of knights and berserker’s gear, depending on how tanky I need to be. It has 30 points in nature magic, and 30 points in beastmastery… Should try it out if you like working with your pet. Does great damage, has good survivability, and great team support.

The issue is the random AE that’s designed to one shot targets. There is no way for a pet to avoid this damage because they can’t dodge. It’s also a huge WvW problem because even when the pet is left on passive at your side, it ends up killed within seconds just from random AEs being thrown all over. You’re also misundertsanding that all our pet complaints are strictly about them dying.

The larger and more pressing issue is the unresponsive nature of our F2 skills.

Kain Francois.4328:

Not sarcasm.

Seriously, how are your pets dying in PvE? With +75% HP? I just don’t see what you guys say are supposedly killing them, and I use Jaguar most of the time.

The only bosses which ever gave me trouble were Mossman, and Arch Diviner, but why would you use a melee pet on them in the first place?

Teq, Butcher-end boss of Honor of the Waves P1, Fire Shaman, Fire Elemental (because pets, ranged or melee, don’t get out of the AoE), Temple of Lyssa last phase, Ashyn- Ascalon fractal boss, …..

Seriously need to go on? Any boss that has an AoE, or a one shot mechanic will kill a pet. Keep swaping is fine, for a little while, but it only prolongs the inevitable.

Atherakhia.4086:

The issue is the random AE that’s designed to one shot targets. There is no way for a pet to avoid this damage because they can’t dodge. It’s also a huge WvW problem because even when the pet is left on passive at your side, it ends up killed within seconds just from random AEs being thrown all over. You’re also misundertsanding that all our pet complaints are strictly about them dying.

The larger and more pressing issue is the unresponsive nature of our F2 skills.

And the fact melee pets can hit a moving target. But, yes, everything you posted is correct.

My Sweet Lily.1952:

Bombsaway.7198:

Would it really be too much if the +75% hps also applied in wvw? What scenario would it break?

Most likely solo roamers. Why do you think this wasn’t applied in PvP?

If anet seriously values solo roamer fights over the people getting PPT and actually winning matches then their lack of interest in wvw is even worse than I thought and we will never see help there.

Vaxx.3178:

Teq, Butcher-end boss of Honor of the Waves P1, Fire Shaman, Fire Elemental (because pets, ranged or melee, don’t get out of the AoE), Temple of Lyssa last phase, Ashyn- Ascalon fractal boss, …..

Vaxx.3178:

Teq

Unfortunately Tequatl will kill more than pets. There is a specific spot you can lame him from the side (outside the zerg), but besides that, you might have to use a more bulky pet against Tequatl himself, such as Drakes. I don’t see the issue though, you’re bound to die if you melee Tequatl. The only thing keeping you alive are resurrections. However, when Tequatl uses his shockwave, I recommend using either “Guard!” or Signet of stone.

Defending turrets, on the other hand, shouldn’t face any issues with pets.

Vaxx.3178:

Butcher-end boss of Honor of the Waves P1

Question: Do YOU melee Butcher? Do you move outside his range when he does his spinning attack.

The simple solutions are to use ranged pets, or use Drake instead of Jaguar. Add me, and I’ll show you how it’s done.

Vaxx.3178:

Fire Shaman

Press f3 to move pets outside AoE. Press f4 when pet is low HP.

Vaxx.3178:

Fire Elemental

Zerg world bosses like this are sorta hard to judge, since the scale is weird.

Vaxx.3178:

Temple of Lyssa last phase,

What about it?

Vaxx.3178:

Ashyn- Ascalon fractal boss, …..

Use Devourer. Press F3 when he uses Meteor Shower.

Anything else?

Kain Francois.4328:

Not sarcasm.

Seriously, how are your pets dying in PvE? With +75% HP? I just don’t see what you guys say are supposedly killing them, and I use Jaguar most of the time.

The only bosses which ever gave me trouble were Mossman, and Arch Diviner, but why would you use a melee pet on them in the first place?

My pets are certainly surviving longer, but there are more than a few bosses where pets just aren’t useful. The aforementioned mossman and legendary archdiviner, both bosses of the dredge fractal, the legendary imbued shaman, and that’s just fractals. Just about every boss that packs a high damage AoE will destroy most pets, even after their insane health buffs.

It also doesn’t help that my healing skills only heal a small fraction of my pets’ health. It’s rather amusing to drop a healing spring, blast it twice, and watch my drake’s health tick up by a grand total of 10%.

Pets didn’t need more health, they needed some form of passive damage reduction.

Quarktastic.1027:

Kain Francois.4328:

Not sarcasm.

Seriously, how are your pets dying in PvE? With +75% HP? I just don’t see what you guys say are supposedly killing them, and I use Jaguar most of the time.

The only bosses which ever gave me trouble were Mossman, and Arch Diviner, but why would you use a melee pet on them in the first place?

My pets are certainly surviving longer, but there are more than a few bosses where pets just aren’t useful. The aforementioned mossman and legendary archdiviner, both bosses of the dredge fractal, the legendary imbued shaman, and that’s just fractals. Just about every boss that packs a high damage AoE will destroy most pets, even after their insane health buffs.

It also doesn’t help that my healing skills only heal a small fraction of my pets’ health. It’s rather amusing to drop a healing spring, blast it twice, and watch my drake’s health tick up by a grand total of 10%.

Pets didn’t need more health, they needed some form of passive damage reduction.

Exactly, they need some sort of passive ability that prevents them from losing X% of their health in y amount of time. Finding those values might take a bit of testing, but it shouldn’t be too hard to find a balance between pet sustain and viable pet disabling especially in the WvW/PvP settings.

Quarktastic.1027:

Kain Francois.4328:

Not sarcasm.

Seriously, how are your pets dying in PvE? With +75% HP? I just don’t see what you guys say are supposedly killing them, and I use Jaguar most of the time.

The only bosses which ever gave me trouble were Mossman, and Arch Diviner, but why would you use a melee pet on them in the first place?

My pets are certainly surviving longer, but there are more than a few bosses where pets just aren’t useful. The aforementioned mossman and legendary archdiviner, both bosses of the dredge fractal, the legendary imbued shaman, and that’s just fractals. Just about every boss that packs a high damage AoE will destroy most pets, even after their insane health buffs.

It also doesn’t help that my healing skills only heal a small fraction of my pets’ health. It’s rather amusing to drop a healing spring, blast it twice, and watch my drake’s health tick up by a grand total of 10%.

Pets didn’t need more health, they needed some form of passive damage reduction.

They heal for less % now because its adding to an overall larger health pool so the perceived increase is less entirely because we have a little red bar instead of a much better X/X health value that can actually be read.

Substance E.4852:

Quarktastic.1027:

Kain Francois.4328:

Not sarcasm.

Seriously, how are your pets dying in PvE? With +75% HP? I just don’t see what you guys say are supposedly killing them, and I use Jaguar most of the time.

The only bosses which ever gave me trouble were Mossman, and Arch Diviner, but why would you use a melee pet on them in the first place?

My pets are certainly surviving longer, but there are more than a few bosses where pets just aren’t useful. The aforementioned mossman and legendary archdiviner, both bosses of the dredge fractal, the legendary imbued shaman, and that’s just fractals. Just about every boss that packs a high damage AoE will destroy most pets, even after their insane health buffs.

It also doesn’t help that my healing skills only heal a small fraction of my pets’ health. It’s rather amusing to drop a healing spring, blast it twice, and watch my drake’s health tick up by a grand total of 10%.

Pets didn’t need more health, they needed some form of passive damage reduction.

They heal for less % now because its adding to an overall larger health pool so the perceived increase is less entirely because we have a little red bar instead of a much better X/X health value that can actually be read.

That is true, however, pet swapping alleviates this until ANet decides to make pets retain their health in addition to their skill CDs.

ChillyChinaman.6057:

Substance E.4852:

Quarktastic.1027:

Kain Francois.4328:

Not sarcasm.

Seriously, how are your pets dying in PvE? With +75% HP? I just don’t see what you guys say are supposedly killing them, and I use Jaguar most of the time.

The only bosses which ever gave me trouble were Mossman, and Arch Diviner, but why would you use a melee pet on them in the first place?

My pets are certainly surviving longer, but there are more than a few bosses where pets just aren’t useful. The aforementioned mossman and legendary archdiviner, both bosses of the dredge fractal, the legendary imbued shaman, and that’s just fractals. Just about every boss that packs a high damage AoE will destroy most pets, even after their insane health buffs.

It also doesn’t help that my healing skills only heal a small fraction of my pets’ health. It’s rather amusing to drop a healing spring, blast it twice, and watch my drake’s health tick up by a grand total of 10%.

Pets didn’t need more health, they needed some form of passive damage reduction.

They heal for less % now because its adding to an overall larger health pool so the perceived increase is less entirely because we have a little red bar instead of a much better X/X health value that can actually be read.

That is true, however, pet swapping alleviates this until ANet decides to make pets retain their health in addition to their skill CDs.

Dude, sshhhh, don’t give them any more bad ideas.

I haven’t played since pre-health buff. I’m thinking though they are going to survive only slightly longer, MAYBE enough for to have enough to time to swap out before they die.

And, ranged pets damage suck. Suck so bad compared to melee pets. So much so I just can’t stomach using them… but I don’t really use them anyway since I roll on other non-Ranger toons now and when I am on my Ranger they are always on passive. And F3 doesn’t work unless you’re ranged, in which case YOUR damage sucks so bad. In a game where DPS’ing as much as possible as fast as possible is most important ranged is a terrible option no matter what and should only be used to give you time to heal to get back to melee. The exception is when you HAVE to range simply because you will die if you melee, i.e. the frozen ground around Claw of Jormag. Better to stow pet for 25% damage bonus so ranging isn’t AS BAD.

I run high condition damage ranger with two bears. I can safely solo a champion. But it can only be done with bears.

They don’t dodge so any place where enemy AoE is dropping fast. WvW is the obvious place but several fights in PvE are also responsible for pet death. They also don’t avoid AoE either and frequently just stand in it.

lchan.2169:

I run high condition damage ranger with two bears. I can safely solo a champion. But it can only be done with bears.

I can solo champs with a Drake and Spider. Almost every open world PvE Champ can be soloed.

My pets keep dying in the Offshots fights, due to the cheer number of mobs and AoEs plus the toxins. My ranger can stand inside the field, kill stuff and stay alive for more than the 30 pulses required for the dailies.

They keep dying on any worldboss with AoE rings like Fire Shaman or Fire Elemental, as they are too dumb to avoid the ring. F3 IS NOT a workaround as they may cross an AoE ring on their way back and be killed anyway, and they are usually hit and killed by those invincible mobs that spawn on Maw or Fire Ele . Funnily enough, they remain alive while fighting Golem Mark II. In jormag I just forget that I have a pet and keep it on my side so it can rez me faster when I get downed.

In WvW, they die in any siege or zerg fight.

Those besides the obvious one-shots from LS bosses, dungeons and fractals. Jade Maw is quite fond of my pets, she always sent them her love and there is NOTHING I can do about it, which is quite annoying as she starts focusing on pets forgetting about players meaning that we don’t get to charge the crystals to kill her. That’s another fight where my pet remains dead the whole time.

I think that’s about it. In any other situation I usually get downed before my pet gets killed.

Mine die depending on situation. In the open world, unless I’m soloing champions, they never fall. I’ll agree with the OP in that they make the game easymode for such content. I also run birds. Even then, I have no issues with pets dying to champions seeing as they soak aggro and cannot dodge. They shouldn’t be that tanky.

I do not blame my deaths for my pet dying. I solo the content just the same as if it stays alive, despite the aggro on me.

People complain about pet death mostly for WvW and dungeons. It’s fairly easy for them to die there (if you’re using the less resilient pets), and the big issue is that when they’re down, you lose a huge chunk of damage. Taking 67% longer to kill something due to a mechanic you cannot avoid is kind of lame and justifies the complaints. This especially applies to WvW, where AOE’s and burst damage are the names of the game. Pet gets trapped in five circles and dies instantly unlike a player who can dodge out. Pet dies? Shame you can’t out-damage your opponent’s heals unless they’re significantly-up-scaled noobies in bad gear and missing skills.

in wvw die when the enemy take breath. btw if they alive they still not doing anything.

Vaxx.3178:

lchan.2169:

I run high condition damage ranger with two bears. I can safely solo a champion. But it can only be done with bears.

I can solo champs with a Drake and Spider. Almost every open world PvE Champ can be soloed.

+1

Champions aren’t relevant, i soloed some of the queendale’s ones few hours ago with panther/fernhound and full berserker gear. (On a side note I was testing one of Brazil’s dps build which is truely amazing for champs and pve in general)

However it’s true that pets are close to useless in wvw large fights which is sad

My pets have started dying a lot less (thank you gaming gods), and I don’t see them die that often anymore other than to certain annoying mobs (Toxic anything, dungeon mobs), and pretty much any dungeon boss. The dungeon bosses it’s to be expected…but some it’s really too BS with, like any boss that 1-shots. I wish our pet was immune to those, or at least took a guaranteed 25% health damage from them.

Kain Francois.4328:

Question: Do YOU melee Butcher? Do you move outside his range when he does his spinning attack.

The simple solutions are to use ranged pets, or use Drake instead of Jaguar. Add me, and I’ll show you how it’s done.

Yes is do, like 95% of all bosses in this game. Range Pets are a bad choice. They can make bosses move, let them use ranged attack the won´t use without.
And their dmg is rly rly bad. Drakes the same, Bird and Cat nessecary for Support (vul) and dps to be on par with other classes.

Another thing for u. Arah P2 the Abochamp (bears can survive a full fight, but their dmg is low as hell, there is no need Frostspirit and spotter if u have an ranger without sword and a cat), or Arah P1 the first ugly green thing.

SE p1 endboss, bear can surive 2 or 3 AoEs (if healed). Cat only 1. No reason to pick an ranger their. And i don´t talk about 8mins “speedruns”, im talking about 6 or 5 minutes which is not event extremly fast. CoE P1 and 3 too, Alpha will damage the pet with his earth attack even if u stack as close as u can.
Frostattack will kill it, if agent is spire close to your gruops, ur gruop will get it, and the pet all the dmg done by this attack.
AC Kohler and Troll, Pet can´t attack their attacks. And no lure troll to Kohler is no option. They need to long to kill/weaken themselves. Killing the alone is much faster.

AoE reduction is dungeons is definitly needed. And in WvsW it could be like the follow idea.

An 2000 or 3000 range radius around the pet, and are there (example numbers not more) 10 or more players it will get 25% AoE reduction. 30 or more 40% and so on.
Soloroaming will not be changed.