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Posted by: Mice.8921

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I’ve been using Longbow with surprising success in sPvP…
I want to use it solo and small group roaming in WvWvW
I want to use it in Dungeons…
Is this possible?
(assume full zerk with soldiers head/chest/legs)

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Posted by: AdaephonDelat.3890

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I don’t play WvW much so I can’t help you there but I understand it’s ok. A more experienced person will be able to help on that one.

Dungeon wise it all depends on who you’re doing the dungeon with.
If you’re doing a speed run stack and smack then no it is not useful at all because you’ll be so close to the enemy that all your damage will be nerfed to hell. And because ranged damage is bad. You’d do much better with a greatsword or main hand sword.
If you’re pugging with casuals then it’s iffy. Some of them will be ok with it some of them will kick you on sight. Depends on what the LFG description says. If you make your own LFG and start the instance then you’ll be ok – but the run may take longer than you want.
If you’re dungeoneering with guild mates (who are casual) then yeah it’s perfectly possible. Unless stacking at which point you’re once again being nerfed to no damage.

Depending on how you want to run the dungeon depends on how useful it will be. A casual group taking their time then yeah knock yourself out it’ll be fine. A speed run group then no it’ll be no good at all.

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Posted by: Fluffball.8307

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If you know the ins and outs of PvP, you’ll be fine with a LB in WvW and it can be extremely effective. Definitely more effective than in PvP where you often can’t take full advantage of the range/LoS. You’ll want a sword on swap for mobility and when people get in to melee with you.

Adaephon covered dungeons. A ranged swap is ok, but you’ll want to be in melee most of the time.

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Posted by: Arrys.7145

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Agree with what Fluffball said. I use longbow predominantly in both SPVP and WvW. It’s better in WvW but you need the sword to pair with it or greatsword IMHO.

Ideal probably not but hey I enjoy it.

Traps/LB/Sw/Torch or Sword/Axe or Sword/Horn is my usual poison in WvW and ZERKING maul crush on occasion.

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Posted by: Kilger.5490

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Long bow is the essential ranger tool in your kit in WvW imo. Or play another class because its in the top 3 reasons to play ranger. that and muddy terrain and the unique buffs.

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Posted by: Mice.8921

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Thanks for the good replies!

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Posted by: Sollith.3502

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The ranger longbow is probably my favorite ranged weapon in game.

It works just fine in WvW, but dungeons are another story. You’re far better off taking a melee weapon (sword warhorn seems to be the strongest ranger weapon for dungeons) due to the whole “stacking” thing everyone does. Most of the time you end up being forced to stack and even when you don’t (if your group doesn’t really care about speed running) you are still missing out on lots of buffs by being so far away from your group. If you do stack with your group and try to use the longbow… well its pretty pointless…

If you run with an experienced and even just somewhat coordinated party you will quickly find out how pointless it is to bring a longbow into a dungeon run. I personally love the longbow, but it does have plenty of shortcomings that need to be addressed.

If the line of sight stacking thing is ever addressed (which I am fine with in some cases, but it is sometimes just straight up abused and exploited in some areas) the longbow could be great in dungeons.

It’s really quite humorous how Anet has fixed some of the “jump puzzle” shortcut paths in dungeons that actually gave variation to the “straight and narrow” dungeon paths, instead of doing something about the line of sight abuse that happens in nearly every dungeon run ever… but that’s for another thread…

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Posted by: Pwnzor.5682

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i have a pretty good build for dungeons, if u pla y 1 time with a good group they allways pm u to do more and more dungeons

what sollith says longbow isnt good to use as main weapon but the skill 2-5 are pretty good just spam them and return to melee.

longbow is a good 2nd weapon in dungeon/fractals But i use mainly a sword/warhorn combo or axe/axe

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Posted by: DancinPuppeh.8421

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I’ve used Longbow in WvW and it is possible though I personally don’t think it’s ideal. Depending how big your small group is you should be fine as long as you can position yourself somewhere you’re going going to be focused. In a very small group you will be the focus of attention and Longbow builds lack mobility and survivability in most cases.

I also want to use my Longbow in WvW but finding a suitable build for it is proving to be tricky =[, I’m considering playing my Warrior meanwhile since I got her to level 80 recently :P

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Posted by: SilvSonic.2691

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what most people have said in this thread are correct. if u like using LB in PvP u’ll love it for WvW even better. it has much more use in WvW and is a dominant power weapon in WvW. i tend to run on outskirts of zergs and picking off players as i see em. it works well for me when i do it. i always pack my LB anywhere i go but in dungeons it is utterly pointless to be using. as you are in fact missing out on a LOT of team buffs and your team is missing out on any buffs you may be able to give. since LB gets weaker the closer you target is it is best to run a sword or GS at all times with it. as a result in those team scenarios my bow is the first thing off the bar. so if you really want to run LB in dungeons make sure you’re with players who don’t mind you going off into range.

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Posted by: Arrys.7145

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what most people have said in this thread are correct. if u like using LB in PvP u’ll love it for WvW even better. it has much more use in WvW and is a dominant power weapon in WvW. i tend to run on outskirts of zergs and picking off players as i see em. it works well for me when i do it. i always pack my LB anywhere i go but in dungeons it is utterly pointless to be using. as you are in fact missing out on a LOT of team buffs and your team is missing out on any buffs you may be able to give. since LB gets weaker the closer you target is it is best to run a sword or GS at all times with it. as a result in those team scenarios my bow is the first thing off the bar. so if you really want to run LB in dungeons make sure you’re with players who don’t mind you going off into range.

I was surprised how well it works in a trap build because of all it’s positioning tools. Threw together a cheap carrion armor rampager/carrion jewelery and rampager weapon set. Having 1200ish condition and 2600-2700 power (No defense aside from positioning and dodge to speak of if you don’t count a full load of traps on your position is quite enjoyable.

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Posted by: CaakEE.7109

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I use the exactly same gear with longbow/gs and I love it.

If you enjoy it and its working for you theres no problem

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Posted by: Rym.1469

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You want to use it? I guess you should go to currently running CDI topic about Ranger then, because now it’s a laughable “weapon” mostly used as utility for RNG stealth or knockback.

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Posted by: Forzani.2584

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what most people have said in this thread are correct. if u like using LB in PvP u’ll love it for WvW even better. it has much more use in WvW and is a dominant power weapon in WvW. i tend to run on outskirts of zergs and picking off players as i see em. it works well for me when i do it. i always pack my LB anywhere i go but in dungeons it is utterly pointless to be using. as you are in fact missing out on a LOT of team buffs and your team is missing out on any buffs you may be able to give. since LB gets weaker the closer you target is it is best to run a sword or GS at all times with it. as a result in those team scenarios my bow is the first thing off the bar. so if you really want to run LB in dungeons make sure you’re with players who don’t mind you going off into range.

That is the way to play it imo.

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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

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You want to use it? I guess you should go to currently running CDI topic about Ranger then, because now it’s a laughable “weapon” mostly used as utility for RNG stealth or knockback.

The stealth is hardly RNG, and it’s totally a useable weapon, you’ve just gotta know how to use it.

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Posted by: Pwnzor.5682

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i was making builds and should a longbow trap build work in wvw roaming?
longbow + sword/torch.
put traps arround u and hit with the longbow skills untill they attack u and run in yous traps / then swap to sword/torch and finish.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMEQNAT8fjEVx11VKWoWCimCKZe2DD5oH9KELXBUVxCpA-jkCBIOCyk0wk3AEIQ5RFRjtaqIas6ZRWZDTjSI1rQIFA-w

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Posted by: Rym.1469

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You want to use it? I guess you should go to currently running CDI topic about Ranger then, because now it’s a laughable “weapon” mostly used as utility for RNG stealth or knockback.

The stealth is hardly RNG, and it’s totally a useable weapon, you’ve just gotta know how to use it.

I don’t usually play in zergs as I don’t find it interesting. My point of view comes mostly from Solo Roaming WvW and Tpvp. And yes, this weapon falls under RNG. It’s not really weapon’s problem here, more like game mechanic problem. I’ve played over 500h roaming with longbow. It’s more the fact that kiting with this weapon is just horrible.
Hunter’s Shot, PBS, not even talking about Rapid Fail or 1 sec autoattack – they’re not instant. If you want to kite effectivly, meaning you strafe, use movement imparing effects or you want to retreat and execute these skills you have to directly face your opponents which means backpaddling=horrible kiting and be aware of any imaginary obstacles for your arrow. To make it even more fun, if you just fire the arrow quickly and
urn back to strafe/kiting/disengaging, you’ll probably “break skill” because all these skills suffer from terrible aftercast.

To sum it up – You have a weapon which is meant to be kite weapon – see Auto-Attack – and fails horribly in it. Seems like missed design.

I admit, you’re right if you consider Longbow as more secondary, utility weapon. You’re far away, you cast execute skill, it works, fine.
But it isn’t and with current design won’t be working, main set weapon.

As for zergs, you can pick any weapon, most of the times. Zerg surfing is way better with Greatsword or OH Axe. You’re closer to wonderful blob and you don’t drop your water fields 1000 yards away.

One of my suggestions were to give us MM trait which changes functionality of mentioned skills in same manner as “Quick Shot” from SB works, just without evade. The line “usable when retreating”. That would be a major change and would really allow some more serious kiting. Untill then, keep your wet dreams and zergsurf “sniping” people and being a free lootbag.

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Posted by: SpellOfIniquity.1780

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I run glassy and with the right buffs/chain of attacks you can tick up to 19k(+) with Rapid Fire. Although this means I sacrifice survivability, if you know how to dodge it’s not as consequential as you might think. Put some thought in to what will compliment what attack/trait best and you’d be surprised how viable this weapon can actually be.

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Posted by: Rym.1469

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I run glassy and with the right buffs/chain of attacks you can tick up to 19k(+) with Rapid Fire. Although this means I sacrifice survivability, if you know how to dodge it’s not as consequential as you might think. Put some thought in to what will compliment what attack/trait best and you’d be surprised how viable this weapon can actually be.

Doing this number of damage on Rapid Fire means you’re pure glass canoon. And as I said, if you have range and time to execute full skill, it works. But once someone gets closer or simply use block/instant teleport and goes around you, nothing may save you, you swap weapon and have little chance to get +1000 range again vs. competent players.

Also, 19k over 4,5 sec means a little over 4k dps. With your setup, DSmancer crits you for 6-9k damage every second, Thief even more, Warrior hambow kills you in one stun/immobilize combo.
To achieve 19k Rapid Fire I assume you’re 30/30/x/x/x so any perplexity build kills you. You have no chance against competent condition players since you don’t run Emapthic Bond.

Your build is made for chasing down and killing zerglings, not roamers.

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Posted by: Forzani.2584

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Agree. If you are caught solo by anyone in that type of build…you are dead. I’m sure some of the better players may be able to pull it off. Most can’t.

I played 80% glassy last night. Ran around the edges of the zerg. Stuff dies pretty quick even from 1800 range when your first shot hits for 5k

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Posted by: Archon.6480

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Longbow is fine in any dungeon. Make sure your crit damage is around 100% and your power should be 3.1k. With a decent warrior and guardian you will be close to 100% crit chance with 15 – 20 stacks of might. Just stand 4 – 8 ft behind them when they stack. You need to leach their boons. Everything will melt. Both guardians and warriors will need help with Fury duration, so bring warhorn and moa.

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Posted by: WatchTheShow.7203

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I’ve been using Longbow with surprising success in sPvP…
I want to use it solo and small group roaming in WvWvW
I want to use it in Dungeons…
Is this possible?
(assume full zerk with soldiers head/chest/legs)

I killed 7 people in a row with a longbow in WvW by myself. I was near a cliff, and I would wait for someone to approach me. When they got close I would use #3 to go invisible, then #4 to shoot them off the side. Cheap, but super effective. The dead would call in their friends, and I would do the same to them. I was able to kill 7 people before the 8th person finally managed to knock me off the cliff.