I was thinking the other day about a new elite skill. You know how a Mesmer can select an enemy and Polymorph Moa them? Or, a Warrior can use his elite, Rampage? Well, what if a Ranger could select a friendly, themselves or their pet and “Druidmorph” them so to speak? The morphed player could gain a new set of skills, some boons etc. They could take the form of a Druid Spirit of some kind.
Good, bad or any thoughts on this idea to improve it?
Edit: Clarification so that the skill can only fire in combat only. So people couldn’t troll with the skill.
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If it can target other players and change there skill set it will be used to troll people
The biggest argument against this is that shapeshifting right now is sort of a Norn Racial thing.
I could see the druid elite skill transforming them into a druid spirit like the GW1 druids became. I could not see them transforming ally players because holy biscuits that’d be used to troll HARDCORE.
Even if the transformation is powerful it still won’t work with just any build, and it’d still murder all the person’s minions/clones and remove access to their profession mechanic.
I think they want all elites to fit into the traitable categories of the primary utility skills—-so this is a long shot. Not sure how they are accounting for mesmers’ moa or the other transformation. But you’re suggestion doesn’t seem likely.
transforming another player like this isn’t a good idea imo, could be easily used for trolling… only self transformation imo…
Yeah, unless it was massively OP, it would be a troll for sure.
A transformation on other players like others have mentioned would lead to endless trolling everywhere, however some form of damage immunity or similar that could be applied to any ally or yourself could work, think the old paladin bubble in wow if you played that, although I would say that doesn’t really fit druid or ranger I do like the idea of an elite that can be used on others aswell though whatever that would be.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Avatar_of_Melandru
Not druid enough for you?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Become_the_Bear
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Become_the_Raven
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Become_the_Wolf
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Become_the_Snow_Leopard
still not enough?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Summon_Druid_Spirit
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Take_Root
STILL NOT ENOUGH?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Tonic
I consider this more like an ‘animal spirit’ more so than ‘druid like.’
Have you used these skills?? Lol, they were on my bar two times over the past two years. Terrible skills that need to be updated or changed.
As for the trolling issues, make it work in ‘combat only.’
Not sure why anyone would want “morph into something else” skills because the ones that are in game are clunky enough to warrant their deletion. When I made my first norn and did the story the snow leopard was nearly unuseable because of how unresponsive and clunky it was. I use bear form from time to time and it hasn’t gotten any better in 2+ years. Transforming in this game is terrible. The only one I find kinda acceptable is Necro elite lich form or whatever it is.
Snow leopard and take root are good skills.
For some classes in some game modes they could even stay in the elite slot wrather then just situational.
Then we will agree to disagree then because Snow Leopard is terrible as is Take Root and there’s never a situation in any PVE from open world to dungeons to fractals where they should be used outside of trolling the group you’re in.
Then we will agree to disagree then because Snow Leopard is terrible as is Take Root and there’s never a situation in any PVE from open world to dungeons to fractals where they should be used outside of trolling the group you’re in.
From a wvw roam point of view Snow Leopard has saved my kitten a few times when a roam team/mini zerg gives chase.
Dash range 1600×2 & prowlx2 (5sec stealthx2) within one cd. Plus it’s fun to stealth>dash>knockback up to five off a cliff/keep wall.
and Lich Form op
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A 3 sec invulnerable and 5 bleeding plants is stronger then you know.
Then we will agree to disagree then because Snow Leopard is terrible as is Take Root and there’s never a situation in any PVE from open world to dungeons to fractals where they should be used outside of trolling the group you’re in.
I use Take Root all the time on my sylvari trapper ranger. It’s a free invuln to help with a trap build’s lack of active defense, and the plants are easily able to maintain 20+ stacks of bleeds on my target for their duration. If it didn’t have such an insane cooldown it’d be an ideal elite to bring on any condi build.
I’ve seen videos of norn elementalists using Snow Leopard to compensate for their lack of stealth in WvWvW. It’s pretty effective, especially since elementalist elites are all garbage compared to even racial elites.
And once more, norn elite transformations are weak BY DESIGN. Anet wants racial skills to be niche use at best because they don’t want there to be a “best” race choice for any given profession. You can’t use them as a reference for how strong or weak a profession elite transformation would be.
You need to look at other transformations that come from the profession. Lich Form, Plague Form, and Rampage are all strong elites that see use in various builds across the different game modes. They are game changers when activated. The only elite transformation that genuinely has no value is Tornado, and even that was extremely strong when used on Raid of Capricorn back when underwater combat in PVP was a thing.
Umm, if it works on allies, I’m not sure it’s such a good idea. It may do more harm than good to allies, and they’d definitely complain about we morphing them to something else..
My suggestion is make your pet turns into you and start mimicing your actions. The damage modifier should definitely be way lower, but imagine that the pet turns into a shadow-clone-ish of you and copy all your actions, it’d be hell alot of fun XD. The idea comes from Naruto, that Dog Loving guy’s Jutsu.
Hm.. I think it would be fun to transform enemies into lizards or something. I do like take root and would use it more if it had a better cooldown. It is a nice 3s invulnerability followed by bleed spamming plants. Not horribad but the cooldown makes it useless.
Hm.. I think it would be fun to transform enemies into lizards or something…..
Just like the Risen Priest of Melandru, that would be pretty cool.
Then we will agree to disagree then because Snow Leopard is terrible as is Take Root and there’s never a situation in any PVE from open world to dungeons to fractals where they should be used outside of trolling the group you’re in.
From a wvw roam point of view Snow Leopard has saved my kitten a few times when a roam team/mini zerg gives chase.
Dash range 1600×2 & prowlx2 (5sec stealthx2) within one cd. Plus it’s fun to stealth>dash>knockback up to five off a cliff/keep wall.
and Lich Form op
Glad that they have function in W3 or PVP, but they are still worthless in any PVE.
A 3 sec invulnerable and 5 bleeding plants is stronger then you know.
Then you must be speaking about W3 or PVP, because that ain’t worth a cow patty in any PVE.
Mate, just because you don’t like PvP or WvW, doesn’t make those skills worthless. So what if they are less than awesome at killing AI mobs who don’t do anything but stand there and take damage while being defiant? Not all skills are DPS-centric.
Most PVE ain’t worth a cow patty to be honest ¯\(?)/¯
Mate, just because you don’t like PvP or WvW, doesn’t make those skills worthless. So what if they are less than awesome at killing AI mobs who don’t do anything but stand there and take damage while being defiant? Not all skills are DPS-centric.
But are they really worth that much in the other game modes? The problems I have with the transforming skills isn’t neccessarily the DPS, it’s about how slow, clunky, and unresponsive the transformation skills are. One skill that does work well with the transformations is the radar for traps skill during the guild event…
Most PVE ain’t worth a cow patty to be honest ¯\(?)/¯
I was generalizing… And, of course, that’s just an opinion just as mine would be that “Most WVW/PVP ain’t worth a cow patty to be honest”. It is what is. It would be different, though, if skills were split, didn’t balance purely from pvp, etc., but that’s not the way it is, so. That being said, I run almost wholly dungeons & fractals, then WBT when I need ecto, and a little bit of SW when I need emp frags. Of course, like many others, I’ve done many other things in PVE like LS1 and LS2, guild events, etc., none of which would benefit from having transformations of any kind, that’s painfully clear.
You better believe though if they gave Rangers the ability to morph allies it would be used ALL THE TIME. You think LB #4 trolling was abused? HA! I could only imagine if we had the ability to morph allies…
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But are they really worth that much in the other game modes? The problems I have with the transforming skills isn’t neccessarily the DPS, it’s about how slow, clunky, and unresponsive the transformation skills are. One skill that does work well with the transformations is the radar for traps skill during the guild event…
…You better believe though if they gave Rangers the ability to morph allies it would be used ALL THE TIME. You think LB #4 trolling was abused? HA! I could only imagine if we had the ability to morph allies…
Well, I personally don’t find them useful, but they were never made to be good. In fact, I don’t know why they were made at all, probably to add some flavour. Some can be very good in niche areas, but yeah…. Some people love them.
The only way a transform allies skill would be good, was if it was OP, which is why it won’t happen. Such as if it were an FGS type skill set, but even if it were over the top OP and majority of people wanted the skill set, there would be those that would find it annoying, so it won’t happen.
Then we will agree to disagree then because Snow Leopard is terrible as is Take Root and there’s never a situation in any PVE from open world to dungeons to fractals where they should be used outside of trolling the group you’re in.
I remember the time when Take Root was used on a large scale. By a lot of people. In addition to the Seed that can be bought from a vendor.
And it was used to progress Tequatl back in his days. Successfully.
“Shouldn’t be used” you say? I’m not sure who’s the one trolling here, with all due respect. Just because you haven’t found the use it doesn’t mean there is none.
Mate, just because you don’t like PvP or WvW, doesn’t make those skills worthless. So what if they are less than awesome at killing AI mobs who don’t do anything but stand there and take damage while being defiant? Not all skills are DPS-centric.
But are they really worth that much in the other game modes? The problems I have with the transforming skills isn’t neccessarily the DPS, it’s about how slow, clunky, and unresponsive the transformation skills are. One skill that does work well with the transformations is the radar for traps skill during the guild event…
Most PVE ain’t worth a cow patty to be honest ¯\(?)/¯
I was generalizing… And, of course, that’s just an opinion just as mine would be that “Most WVW/PVP ain’t worth a cow patty to be honest”. It is what is. It would be different, though, if skills were split, didn’t balance purely from pvp, etc., but that’s not the way it is, so. That being said, I run almost wholly dungeons & fractals, then WBT when I need ecto, and a little bit of SW when I need emp frags. Of course, like many others, I’ve done many other things in PVE like LS1 and LS2, guild events, etc., none of which would benefit from having transformations of any kind, that’s painfully clear.
You better believe though if they gave Rangers the ability to morph allies it would be used ALL THE TIME. You think LB #4 trolling was abused? HA! I could only imagine if we had the ability to morph allies…
I was just joking however I do think PVE sucks though by that I mean dungeons, world boss events and guildmissions there is nothing appealing about any of that in my mind they are not fun or challenging in any way most mechanics are garbage and boring fractals are generally speaking much better than the other dungeons but even those are kinda meh and the agony system is really kitten too.
The leveling process in GW2 is about as good as it gets though just learning your character while exploring and questing was amazing but it has little re-playability.
But are they really worth that much in the other game modes? The problems I have with the transforming skills isn’t neccessarily the DPS, it’s about how slow, clunky, and unresponsive the transformation skills are. One skill that does work well with the transformations is the radar for traps skill during the guild event…
I use Take Root all the time in open world PVE when I’m running solo. It’s a good skill to deal with being overrun by large numbers of Modrem in the Silverwastes. A short invuln to give me some breathing room and a lot of bleed applications to kill some of the mobs quicker.
As for transformations being used in all the game modes.
Lich Form: The staple move of the strongest necro build in PVP AND in the only meta necro build for Tequatl, and both the meta dungeon builds. It’s also used in a couple different WvWvW builds. So it’s used prominently in every game mode.
Plague Form: Used in the main event farming build for PVE, the only zerg build and one roamer build in WvWvW, and the traditional terrormancer build in SPVP. So it sees use in all game modes.
Rampage: Mostly sees use in SPVP where it’s a valid variant elite choice in almost every build. It’s not used in PVE purely because of how strong the other two warrior elites are. Still, used heavily in one of the three game modes.
Tornado: Is in desperate need of a buff. Strong in underwater combat at least.
So, two of the four major transformations in this game are seen prominently in all game modes, one is used mainly for PVP, and the last is niche use at best. Still a pretty good track record for transformation skills, and is pretty solid proof that they can be very strong.
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