Guild Wars 2

I have just decided to come back to gw2 and as someone who always picks the ranger/hunter class in all mmos/rpgs and generally prefers that style of gameplay I really need to know if its worth leveling my ranger to max or just rerolling. All I am seeing are people talking about how awful the ranger is and how noone wants them in groups, their pet AI is broken, and they do minimal dps compared to, say, a warrior. If this is all true and Arena Net has no intentions to fix it soon that is very upsetting. I honestly dont know what other class I would even want to play as. I am someone who wants to play pve as well as pvp so if someone could tell me whether or not the ranger class is a lost cause as of now or if they are worth leveling to max I would really appreciate it.

Having one in your stable ready to benefit from any changes/revamp isn’t a bad thing.

If you are enjoying it right now, play. If not, don’t.

I’d say, level it up, since it won’t hurt you (in worst case, rangers are good farmers) and wait for Feature patch changes as I do.
We’ve been recently picked for urgent rebalance/fixes/etc. stuff by Devs, so I hope Ranger being something else than pure condibunker melee would be viable

Ranger is in a good place in PvE. A well played ranger is a great addition to any group. A bad ranger is a dead weight and a liability (pet aggro issues).

Unfortunately, Ranged weapons (longbow/shortbow/Axe) aren’t good, and never will be.

Get it to 80 and get full exotic, it’s great for pve stuff

When am playing my thief i always miss my bear that keeps enemys from me

IMO Ranger is the most rewarding in PvP-like environments. I play a lot of WvW, and let me tell you, every time I win it is a good feeling.

Of course I like challenges such as Dark Souls and Super Meat Boy…so I might just be a masochist.

TurtleDragon.3108:

Ranger is in a good place in PvE. A well played ranger is a great addition to any group. A bad ranger is a dead weight and a liability (pet aggro issues).

Unfortunately, Ranged weapons (longbow/shortbow/Axe) aren’t good, and never will be.

There isn’t a single word in this post that can be trusted, Ghuy. Well other than a bad ranger being dead weight. But pretty much the ONLY CLASS that isn’t deadweight from a bad player being on it, is Warrior. But the fact is, anything besides a great player, is deadweight when on Ranger. (and would contribute a lot more on any other class)

ilr.9675:

TurtleDragon.3108:

Ranger is in a good place in PvE. A well played ranger is a great addition to any group. A bad ranger is a dead weight and a liability (pet aggro issues).

Unfortunately, Ranged weapons (longbow/shortbow/Axe) aren’t good, and never will be.

There isn’t a single word in this post that can be trusted, Ghuy. Well other than a bad ranger being dead weight. But pretty much the ONLY CLASS that isn’t deadweight from a bad player being on it, is Warrior. But the fact is, anything besides a great player, is deadweight when on Ranger. (and would contribute a lot more on any other class)

lol, this guy. And it very very possible for warriors to be dead weight. Ever run into a warrior without banners and FGJ? They’re just as useless as the average bearbow ranger while camping their GS thinking they do amazing DPS. Worst when they use Sword mainhand too.

My post is very accurate tyvm.

Have a Legendary… must… camp it… GAH!! Warriors showing off their eternity/sunrise/twilight 24/7 – Woo! While I see most Rangers with a legendary camp Kudzu or The Dreamer… ugh. We not any better >_>

Keep him, if nothing else it’s good for farming and soloing champs. Getting a brown bear and naming him “Bearbow” is a must though. If for no other reason than flaunting it as you blaze around killing large pulls.

I’m 50/50 on this. If you enjoy it, keep playing it. If not, don’t.
But I’m on the fence because in my experience no matter how much someone plays a Ranger they have nothing but bad things to say. I’ve come across very few people that actually say “I love my Ranger” it’s usually more along the lines of “I’m comfortable with it.” Personally, I’ve leveled every profession to 80 besides the Elementalist, and Ranger is by a good margin my favorite. If you have the patience to learn how to play it properly, it can be a very rewarding experience and can put out some pretty decent numbers given you’re built to do so.
And this isn’t exactly a great idea unless you really know the time and place to do it, but I love making my pet pull bosses to the group in dungeons (not as a troll.) In dungeons like CoE when we all stack by the pillar at Alpha for example, I like to send in my drake to take a bite of him then call him back to pull the boss to us. Means none of us have to risk getting trapped in that dreadful purple crystal and being one shotted before we can get back to the stack :P.

The first thing I’m afraid you need to accept is that Anet doesn’t care about us. I know about the thread that clearly shows we need the most help, but I have been playing this game off and on since launch and the one thing that has remained consistent is the constant screw job from Anet. I’m not counting on them to ever help us, they just don’t care. You need to see if you can be happy with the class the way it is now, and only you can make that call.

Personally, of all my characters.. My Ranger is still BY FAR my favorite and my most fun to play. But it comes with certain pitfalls that you have to be prepared for. There are several builds that can dominate in regular overworld PVE, you will be very good for running around solo or with a group and completing zones. You can be good with a bow, but for some reason the class seems to excel more in melee. I personally run with Short Bow and Greatsword.

The pitfall is you will never be able to run dungeons with PUG’s, so if that’s important to you, you’re going to need to look elseware. I have gotten around it by joining a guild who’s happy to accept Rangers because they realize that a well played Ranger can contribute quite well.

There are a lot of different opinions and none of them are wrong. In the end, honestly it all depends on what you find fun. This game is a lot more fun if you cast aside what everyone else thinks and do what’s fun for you. I love the class, so I play it even though I know that other classes are ‘better.’ I have a Guardian that I play when I feel the need to run Dungeon Content and that’s cool, but nothing is as fun as my Ranger. I’ll play him despite the fact that Anet seems to really want me to give up on him.

Be prepared to get booted from groups as soon as you join them because your playing a ranger.
Never had that happen until today and it happened twice within a 10 min span.
Roll an easymode faceroll over the keyboard and win warrior, its the devs favorite class.

vitali.1609:

Roll an easymode faceroll over the keyboard and win warrior, its the devs favorite class.

Exactly. I levelled up a warrior immediatelly after discovering rangers are outcasts in team play. With a zerk war, you are welcome (almost) everywhere.

However if you like to play rangers, you can still go ranger for some daily chores like dailies, harving, exploring, temples, almost everything solo. With a drake pet and lb/gs you can solo easy champs and/or some group events (CoE chain f.e.) without much trouble. But this is MMO and MMOs are about team PVE and PVP and you will have harder times at this, compared to other classes. The pet is more trouble than help in team PVE, and in PVP it’s almost useless.

ghuy.1423:

I have just decided to come back to gw2 and as someone who always picks the ranger/hunter class in all mmos/rpgs and generally prefers that style of gameplay I really need to know if its worth leveling my ranger to max or just rerolling. All I am seeing are people talking about how awful the ranger is and how noone wants them in groups, their pet AI is broken, and they do minimal dps compared to, say, a warrior. If this is all true and Arena Net has no intentions to fix it soon that is very upsetting. I honestly dont know what other class I would even want to play as. I am someone who wants to play pve as well as pvp so if someone could tell me whether or not the ranger class is a lost cause as of now or if they are worth leveling to max I would really appreciate it.

For single target(with a Feline pet and given the same buffs), it’s on par with warrior, for cleaving damage though(just make sure to bring a Drake to cleave, it also does a blast finisher when you swap to it), yes it is lower BUT you can bring unique party offensive buffs like Spotter and Frost Spirit.

If there’s already 1-2 warriors in a party to provide 2 offensive banners, the party will have more total damage via Spotter & Frost Spirit with a Ranger than stacking more warriors.

Also:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Ele-in-Dev-live-stream-scrimages/first#post3655913

Maybe they’ll make good on that promise…

vitali.1609:

Roll an easymode faceroll over the keyboard and win warrior, its the devs favorite class.

It sucks how true this statement actually is.

I’m so sick of seeing Warriors getting buff after buff while we either get ignored or nerfed. Infuriating.

axe might be bad in pve. but its very good in wvw i use it in zerg fight meaning wvw . why it bounces between enemy’s adding to that sigil of fire and off hand a resto sigil. axe farms and let you able too tag much easier in the zerg. fyi personal opinion if you are still using bow in wvw and stay on melee train you are doing it wrong. take that from someone with 2k hours on ranger and commands pugs for over year on ranger. you can use bow in zerg if you are sniping and playing at as range ofc you won’t be able to tag alot tho with your bows. i use my bow in wvw when i am roaming but in zerg fight 9/10 times you see me wielding gs axe/axe or axe/warhorn. axe/axe might sounds weird but trust me its fun combined with offhand trait. and deals up 5k dmg and no i am not using zerker.i use a pvt armor pvt weapons and zerker trinkets mix with pvt.

If you have to ask such a question, save yourself the agony, change profession.

What makes it worth the time to play a profession is whether you find that profession fun and or rewarding to you. If you do not find it fun or rewarding, quit.

A good ranger is a strong boost to parties. Frost spirit + spotter is a big DPS boost which if you are running with warriors already running banners and empower allies, will be more overall party wide dps, for example, 2 warriors and 1 ranger with 2(something) is more damage than 3 warriors 2 something(not ranger) providing the ranger and warriors are using the right builds.

They’re having a CDI about Rangers soon. It’s safe to say Ranger will undergo a massive overhaul and buff in the next few months.

Kain Francois.4328:

They’re having a CDI about Rangers soon. It’s safe to say Ranger will undergo a massive overhaul and buff in the next few months.

Wrong.

The CDI will only lead to developers spending more time with the profession, NOT that they will or will not make any improvements in any shape nor form. The CDI will allow us to highlight issues we are unhappy with, however these issues have been highlighted, in a very vocal manner, for over a year. Thinking rangers will get any improvement from the CDI is by far wishful thinking.

To the ppl who say ranger sucks

My Pve Ranger

Attack power : 3.2k

Critical chance : 100%

Critical Damage : 100%

Auto attack damage 2.5k every 3/4 sec

Rapid fire 13k every 8 sec

This all done with 0 might stack and 0 stack of sigil of blood lust, with 25 stack of each I have done 40k with rapid fire…. so to all who think ranger cant out dps a war you can suck it cus war got nothing on my ranger but some stupid banners

Drakent.9605:

To the ppl who say ranger sucks

My Pve Ranger

Attack power : 3.2k

Critical chance : 100%

Critical Damage : 100%

Auto attack damage 2.5k every 3/4 sec

Rapid fire 13k every 8 sec

This all done with 0 might stack and 0 stack of sigil of blood lust, with 25 stack of each I have done 40k with rapid fire…. so to all who think ranger cant out dps a war you can suck it cus war got nothing on my ranger but some stupid banners

Sad part is pretty much any other class that builds for pure DPS like your build is will do more damage in a shorter amount of time while still offering more group utilities/buffs. All this while still having better survivability than the full glass cannon ranger.

And I call BS on a 40k rapid fire unless you are counting rabbits in Frostgorge or dredge fractal boss. I’d like to see a screenshot of a 40k rapid fire.

I personally love playing my ranger but like others have said, if you plan to do dungeons, roll a different class for that and use your ranger for other stuff. I have 6 level 80s and for dungeons I run my guard, warrior, Mesmer or ele. For open world, ranger is really fun and necro is pretty fun too but both those classes lack a lot for dungeons.

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Sad part is pretty much any other class that builds for pure DPS like your build is will do more damage in a shorter amount of time while still offering more group utilities/buffs. All this while still having better survivability than the full glass cannon ranger.

And I call BS on a 40k rapid fire unless you are counting rabbits in Frostgorge or dredge fractal boss. I’d like to see a screenshot of a 40k rapid fire.

I personally love playing my ranger but like others have said, if you plan to do dungeons, roll a different class for that and use your ranger for other stuff. I have 6 level 80s and for dungeons I run my guard, warrior, Mesmer or ele. For open world, ranger is really fun and necro is pretty fun too but both those classes lack a lot for dungeons.
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I have play with plenty of warrior and most warrior can only do 10k about every 6 sec with similar gear as mine, on like warrior ranger can reach critical chance and critical bonus damage % much higher with little difficulty

When it comes to ranger offering utility and buff, I offer the group 150 precision, 20 sec of fury every 25 sec , 5 stack of might , 77% chance of there next attack to do 10% more damage and a chance to hit heal them self on hit for 1k. oh Plus 10% damage taken on boss . Tell me who can do better then that

survivability, ranger can keep his distance from any attack , all I need is to keep a 1000 range distance from my group for them to get all my buff

So if you feel you can do better with other class is not b/c the class are better is b/c you don’t know how to play ranger at its full potential and are just better playing a class like war where all you have to do is press 1,2 button

Drakent.9605:

I have play with plenty of warrior and most warrior can only do 10k about every 6 sec with similar gear as mine, on like warrior ranger can reach critical chance and critical bonus damage % much higher with little difficulty

When it comes to ranger offering utility and buff, I offer the group 150 precision, 20 sec of fury every 25 sec , 5 stack of might , 77% chance of there next attack to do 10% more damage and a chance to hit heal them self on hit for 1k. oh Plus 10% damage taken on boss . Tell me who can do better then that

survivability, ranger can keep his distance from any attack , all I need is to keep a 1000 range distance from my group for them to get all my buff

So if you feel you can do better with other class is not b/c the class are better is b/c you don’t know how to play ranger at its full potential and are just better playing a class like war where all you have to do is press 1,2 button

It’s ironic that you’re not doing optimal damage/using a ranger to its full potential with what you wrote lol.

Please stop keeping the illusion that you’re doing high deeps while range camping with a bow.

There is absolutely no benefit in staying in 1000 range except for a few encounters, it even screws things up when the party is LoS’ing.

Using dodges/s/d/gs weapon utilities is more than enough even for dodge heavy encounters.

Drop the longbow after you Rapid Fire and go 1h Sword for the rest of your damage rotation if you really want to boast about damage.

You’re also not getting the Shout buffs(600), Field blasts(360) so you are missing on alot of potential damage(and buffs like Aegis from Retreat!, protection etc. that allows you to ignore dodge and have a better up time on 10% damage boost from Steady Focus).

TL;DR don’t playing like a kittening bearbow in 1000 range if you want to do real damage.

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It’s ironic that you’re not doing optimal damage/using a ranger to its full potential with what you wrote lol.

Please stop keeping the illusion that you’re doing high deeps while range camping with a bow.

There is absolutely no benefit in staying in 1000 range except for a few encounters, it even screws things up when the party is LoS’ing.

Using dodges/s/d/gs weapon utilities is more than enough even for dodge heavy encounters.

Drop the longbow after you Rapid Fire and go 1h Sword for the rest of your damage rotation if you really want to boast about damage.

You’re also not getting the Shout buffs(600), Field blasts(360) so you are missing on alot of potential damage(and buffs like Aegis from Retreat!, protection etc. that allows you to ignore dodge and have a better up time on 10% damage boost from Steady Focus).

TL;DR don’t playing like a kittening bearbow in 1000 range if you want to do real damage.
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You make no no sense you want me to stay in range so I can benefit from protect when I don’t even get hit at a 1000 range distance, yea k you definitely got thing figure out the wrong way.

I benefit a lot being at 1000 range. never use dodge since I don’t take damage so all always have steady focus , at close range no matter how much buff you have bosses still do aoe attack that requires to be dodge and since I am out range I don’t have 2 , so you sir don’t know squad

Just stick to your war and just press 1,2 because anything more then that is to complex for you

Nike.2631:

Having one in your stable ready to benefit from any changes/revamp isn’t a bad thing.

If you are enjoying it right now, play. If not, don’t.

Fully agree with Nike on this one.

Drakent.9605:

You make no no sense you want me to stay in range so I can benefit from protect when I don’t even get hit at a 1000 range distance, yea k you definitely got thing figure out the wrong way.

I benefit a lot being at 1000 range. never use dodge since I don’t take damage so all always have steady focus , at close range no matter how much buff you have bosses still do aoe attack that requires to be dodge and since I am out range I don’t have 2 , so you sir don’t know squad

Just stick to your war and just press 1,2 because anything more then that is to complex for you

Please address the fact that you are missing all the fury/might stacks by being in 1000 range, not to mention not providing a water field/condi cleanse to the party. Banners are also 600 range so you might be missing another 170 precision, 170 power, 15% crit damage on top of those might stacks/fury.

Ok, granted you just have to stand there without dodging at 1000 range according to you.

Spamming 2111111 on your LB at 1000 range without dodging is more complex than 1,2 with dodging/gs 3 on warr, I completely agree with what your saying! /sarcasm

On a serious note, damage on 1h Sword is higher than LB, why insist on LB and continue the old bearbow stigma that rangers are just there to slow down the run(which is what you are exactly doing by using a lower damage weapon set purposely)?

Is 1h Sword and using your active damage mitigation(not necessarily just dodges) too complex for you sir?

LB AA @1000 range with full zerker usually does between 3-5k on NPC bosses. Instead of rapid fire, take quickening zephyr and quickness on crit sigil. And boom, you suddenly up your DPS by loads (attack rate okittenoes up, and so does your DPS).
@500 range or less, sword + axe and warhorn all the way.

No. Do not pursue.

Best case scenario: You like to solo everything and never play with people.

Worst case scenario: You love the class, play it constantly. You try to experience all parts of the game, but nobody wants you in their dungeons, always shun you from open world because “all rangers suck,” scorn you away from WvW raids because of your extreme lack of group synergy, and just look down on your kittened pet in general.

Exception: Spvp, but you don’t need to level anything to play it, so hop right on in.

Izaya.2906:

Drakent.9605:

You make no no sense you want me to stay in range so I can benefit from protect when I don’t even get hit at a 1000 range distance, yea k you definitely got thing figure out the wrong way.

I benefit a lot being at 1000 range. never use dodge since I don’t take damage so all always have steady focus , at close range no matter how much buff you have bosses still do aoe attack that requires to be dodge and since I am out range I don’t have 2 , so you sir don’t know squad

Just stick to your war and just press 1,2 because anything more then that is to complex for you

Please address the fact that you are missing all the fury/might stacks by being in 1000 range, not to mention not providing a water field/condi cleanse to the party. Banners are also 600 range so you might be missing another 170 precision, 170 power, 15% crit damage on top of those might stacks/fury.

Ok, granted you just have to stand there without dodging at 1000 range according to you.

Spamming 2111111 on your LB at 1000 range without dodging is more complex than 1,2 with dodging/gs 3 on warr, I completely agree with what your saying! /sarcasm

On a serious note, damage on 1h Sword is higher than LB, why insist on LB and continue the old bearbow stigma that rangers are just there to slow down the run(which is what you are exactly doing by using a lower damage weapon set purposely)?

Is 1h Sword and using your active damage mitigation(not necessarily just dodges) too complex for you sir?

You are missing the point, I don’t need any of the other groups buff, I have perma fury, I have 100% critical so I don’t need any more prec , only thing I am going to miss is there might buff but b/c range auto damage is 5x more stronger at 1000 range then any melee auto damage out there, the lack of might balance it out. My auto attack on my LB has a record of 2.5k to 3k at lvl 80 with no might buff

A good set up LB ranger can offer more damage then any class , plus other dps players don’t have to stop dpsing to raise since you don’t get hurt , that = more damage as a group , plus if you know how to use your spirit properly you are no different from a warrior and there banner b/c I can offer the group every 30 sec for 1min the chance to deal 10% more damage, change to heal on hit for 800 to 1000 ( all depends on your healing stats) and 3 sec of protect on hit. On top of that I offer them 5 stack of might and fury buff and 150 preci increase if there need for critical increase

And LB ranger by no mean is a 1,2 button . is that is all you doing as a ranger LB then there is your reason y you fail as a ranger

If you have 100% crit chance I’m already a little suspicious how well you understand the game…

Prysin.8542:

LB AA @1000 range with full zerker usually does between 3-5k on NPC bosses. Instead of rapid fire, take quickening zephyr and quickness on crit sigil. And boom, you suddenly up your DPS by loads (attack rate okittenoes up, and so does your DPS).
@500 range or less, sword + axe and warhorn all the way.

if all you can do is 3k-5k with rapid fire then ill agree with you on you shouldn’t be playing ranger b/c you don’t know how to play it.

I am doing 2.5k- 3.k on auto attack and 10k-13k with rapid fire and this is with no buff so tell me what your damage with sword or axe and warhorn is and then we can talk

Nike.2631:

If you have 100% crit chance I’m already a little suspicious how well you understand the game…

meaning what ?

Drakent.9605:

Prysin.8542:

LB AA @1000 range with full zerker usually does between 3-5k on NPC bosses. Instead of rapid fire, take quickening zephyr and quickness on crit sigil. And boom, you suddenly up your DPS by loads (attack rate okittenoes up, and so does your DPS).
@500 range or less, sword + axe and warhorn all the way.

if all you can do is 3k-5k with rapid fire then ill agree with you on you shouldn’t be playing ranger b/c you don’t know how to play it.

I am doing 2.5k- 3.k on auto attack and 10k-13k with rapid fire and this is with no buff so tell me what your damage with sword or axe and warhorn is and then we can talk

My sword auto’s can hit for 6k without blood lust stacks and with cheap food.

TurtleDragon.3108:

Drakent.9605:

Prysin.8542:

LB AA @1000 range with full zerker usually does between 3-5k on NPC bosses. Instead of rapid fire, take quickening zephyr and quickness on crit sigil. And boom, you suddenly up your DPS by loads (attack rate okittenoes up, and so does your DPS).
@500 range or less, sword + axe and warhorn all the way.

if all you can do is 3k-5k with rapid fire then ill agree with you on you shouldn’t be playing ranger b/c you don’t know how to play it.

I am doing 2.5k- 3.k on auto attack and 10k-13k with rapid fire and this is with no buff so tell me what your damage with sword or axe and warhorn is and then we can talk

My sword auto’s can hit for 6k without blood lust stacks and with cheap food.

Sorry my friend but your lie’s are easy to see , raw damage on a sword is 202 when LB raw damage is 312, there no way you can out dps LB auto damage , would had believe your lie if you had say 3k ,then I would say not bad since sword has a shorted time but 6k lol that’s the biggest BS I have been told

o wait blood lust stack 25 oh k I can believe that, but remember I can do 3k with out stack of blood lust , that just makes me wonder how much damage I would out dps the sword if I had 25k stack

Drakent.9605:

TurtleDragon.3108:

Drakent.9605:

Prysin.8542:

LB AA @1000 range with full zerker usually does between 3-5k on NPC bosses. Instead of rapid fire, take quickening zephyr and quickness on crit sigil. And boom, you suddenly up your DPS by loads (attack rate okittenoes up, and so does your DPS).
@500 range or less, sword + axe and warhorn all the way.

if all you can do is 3k-5k with rapid fire then ill agree with you on you shouldn’t be playing ranger b/c you don’t know how to play it.

I am doing 2.5k- 3.k on auto attack and 10k-13k with rapid fire and this is with no buff so tell me what your damage with sword or axe and warhorn is and then we can talk

My sword auto’s can hit for 6k without blood lust stacks and with cheap food.

Sorry my friend but your lie’s are easy to see , raw damage on a sword is 202 when LB raw damage is 312, there no way you can out dps LB auto damage , would had believe your lie if you had say 3k ,then I would say not bad since sword has a shorted time but 6k lol that’s the biggest BS I have been told

o wait blood lust stack 25 oh k I can believe that, but remember I can do 3k with out stack of blood lust , that just makes me wonder how much damage I would out dps the sword if I had 25k stack

I’m not even going to bother explaining what’s wrong with your math (hint: highest hit or channel =/= highest DPS), but just for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxJAU6FVWWA

This isn’t fully buffed and played pretty poorly from me, but it backs up what I said.

Drakent.9605:

TurtleDragon.3108:

Drakent.9605:

Prysin.8542:

LB AA @1000 range with full zerker usually does between 3-5k on NPC bosses. Instead of rapid fire, take quickening zephyr and quickness on crit sigil. And boom, you suddenly up your DPS by loads (attack rate okittenoes up, and so does your DPS).
@500 range or less, sword + axe and warhorn all the way.

if all you can do is 3k-5k with rapid fire then ill agree with you on you shouldn’t be playing ranger b/c you don’t know how to play it.

I am doing 2.5k- 3.k on auto attack and 10k-13k with rapid fire and this is with no buff so tell me what your damage with sword or axe and warhorn is and then we can talk

My sword auto’s can hit for 6k without blood lust stacks and with cheap food.

Sorry my friend but your lie’s are easy to see , raw damage on a sword is 202 when LB raw damage is 312, there no way you can out dps LB auto damage

Attack speed is higher, and RAW damage has NOTHING to do with the damage you do.
If we take basis in this build;
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMEQNAT8XnAV0FclF+VwaZAY9Yv+Gk9wQGX0VA1C2UB-j0xAYLBZqQgSeFRjtSWENW1CmqkIq2nUEtapAiYZE-w

EVERYTHING relies on coefficiencies
Sword AA; 0.6+0.6+0.7 = 1.9
Skill rotation time; 0.5+0.25+0.75 = 1.5
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slash_%28ranger_sword_skill%29
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kick_%28ranger_skill%29
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pounce
Damage over 1.5 seconds = 600+600+698 – 1898 damage

LB AA; 0.9
Skill rotation time; 0.75 (attack) + 0.5 (projectile travel time at 1000 range) = 1.25
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Long_Range_Shot
Damage over 0.75 seconds = 986 damage

In short, the DPS of sword in full zerk, is 150% that of the LB due to projectile travel time factoring in.

Sword AA is the highest DPS skill rangers have. Yes you can hit 6k crits, albeit it does NOT happen very often. Max crit iv’e done with sword is 8.1k and iv’e only managed that once.

TurtleDragon.3108:

Drakent.9605:

TurtleDragon.3108:

Drakent.9605:

Prysin.8542:

LB AA @1000 range with full zerker usually does between 3-5k on NPC bosses. Instead of rapid fire, take quickening zephyr and quickness on crit sigil. And boom, you suddenly up your DPS by loads (attack rate okittenoes up, and so does your DPS).
@500 range or less, sword + axe and warhorn all the way.

if all you can do is 3k-5k with rapid fire then ill agree with you on you shouldn’t be playing ranger b/c you don’t know how to play it.

I am doing 2.5k- 3.k on auto attack and 10k-13k with rapid fire and this is with no buff so tell me what your damage with sword or axe and warhorn is and then we can talk

My sword auto’s can hit for 6k without blood lust stacks and with cheap food.

Sorry my friend but your lie’s are easy to see , raw damage on a sword is 202 when LB raw damage is 312, there no way you can out dps LB auto damage , would had believe your lie if you had say 3k ,then I would say not bad since sword has a shorted time but 6k lol that’s the biggest BS I have been told

o wait blood lust stack 25 oh k I can believe that, but remember I can do 3k with out stack of blood lust , that just makes me wonder how much damage I would out dps the sword if I had 25k stack

I’m not even going to bother explaining what’s wrong with your math (hint: highest hit or channel =/= highest DPS), but just for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxJAU6FVWWA

This isn’t fully buffed and played pretty poorly from me, but it backs up what I said.

There nothing wrong with my math which is the reason you cant explain it,

All you just show me is how much damage a sword can do when a boss has 25 stack of vulnerability and you have 25 of might , which is a limit of 6k and what I am telling you is that LB with 0 vulnerability and 0 might can do up 3k a hit I bet that LB can do easy 9k a hit with that much buff on it

Prysin.8542:

Drakent.9605:

TurtleDragon.3108:

Drakent.9605:

Prysin.8542:

LB AA @1000 range with full zerker usually does between 3-5k on NPC bosses. Instead of rapid fire, take quickening zephyr and quickness on crit sigil. And boom, you suddenly up your DPS by loads (attack rate okittenoes up, and so does your DPS).
@500 range or less, sword + axe and warhorn all the way.

if all you can do is 3k-5k with rapid fire then ill agree with you on you shouldn’t be playing ranger b/c you don’t know how to play it.

I am doing 2.5k- 3.k on auto attack and 10k-13k with rapid fire and this is with no buff so tell me what your damage with sword or axe and warhorn is and then we can talk

My sword auto’s can hit for 6k without blood lust stacks and with cheap food.

Sorry my friend but your lie’s are easy to see , raw damage on a sword is 202 when LB raw damage is 312, there no way you can out dps LB auto damage

Attack speed is higher, and RAW damage has NOTHING to do with the damage you do.
If we take basis in this build;
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMEQNAT8XnAV0FclF+VwaZAY9Yv+Gk9wQGX0VA1C2UB-j0xAYLBZqQgSeFRjtSWENW1CmqkIq2nUEtapAiYZE-w

EVERYTHING relies on coefficiencies
Sword AA; 0.6+0.6+0.7 = 1.9
Skill rotation time; 0.5+0.25+0.75 = 1.5
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slash_%28ranger_sword_skill%29
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kick_%28ranger_skill%29
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pounce
Damage over 1.5 seconds = 600+600+698 – 1898 damage

LB AA; 0.9
Skill rotation time; 0.75 (attack) + 0.5 (projectile travel time at 1000 range) = 1.25
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Long_Range_Shot
Damage over 0.75 seconds = 986 damage

In short, the DPS of sword in full zerk, is 150% that of the LB due to projectile travel time factoring in.

Sword AA is the highest DPS skill rangers have. Yes you can hit 6k crits, albeit it does NOT happen very often. Max crit iv’e done with sword is 8.1k and iv’e only managed that once.

K with all your # you still don’t even understand the difference from LB and sword, yes is possible for auto attack on a sword to out dps a LB auto damage at the long run but that’s b/c sword main damage is the auto attack it doesn’t offer nothing else for damage while in the other hand LB has Rapid fire which is the main Damage coming from bow.

So saying that sword is better then LB is incorrect, now I am not saying LB is better then sword either , my main point is that playing LB the right way is as effective as any other weapon.

Drakent.9605:

TurtleDragon.3108:

Drakent.9605:

TurtleDragon.3108:

Drakent.9605:

Prysin.8542:

LB AA @1000 range with full zerker usually does between 3-5k on NPC bosses. Instead of rapid fire, take quickening zephyr and quickness on crit sigil. And boom, you suddenly up your DPS by loads (attack rate okittenoes up, and so does your DPS).
@500 range or less, sword + axe and warhorn all the way.

if all you can do is 3k-5k with rapid fire then ill agree with you on you shouldn’t be playing ranger b/c you don’t know how to play it.

I am doing 2.5k- 3.k on auto attack and 10k-13k with rapid fire and this is with no buff so tell me what your damage with sword or axe and warhorn is and then we can talk

My sword auto’s can hit for 6k without blood lust stacks and with cheap food.

Sorry my friend but your lie’s are easy to see , raw damage on a sword is 202 when LB raw damage is 312, there no way you can out dps LB auto damage , would had believe your lie if you had say 3k ,then I would say not bad since sword has a shorted time but 6k lol that’s the biggest BS I have been told

o wait blood lust stack 25 oh k I can believe that, but remember I can do 3k with out stack of blood lust , that just makes me wonder how much damage I would out dps the sword if I had 25k stack

I’m not even going to bother explaining what’s wrong with your math (hint: highest hit or channel =/= highest DPS), but just for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxJAU6FVWWA

This isn’t fully buffed and played pretty poorly from me, but it backs up what I said.

There nothing wrong with my math which is the reason you cant explain it,

All you just show me is how much damage a sword can do when a boss has 25 stack of vulnerability and you have 25 of might , which is a limit of 6k and what I am telling you is that LB with 0 vulnerability and 0 might can do up 3k a hit I bet that LB can do easy 9k a hit with that much buff on it

nop, LB at 0 might, 0 bloodlust, and 0 vulnerability on boss = 6.5k BUT that is 6.5k every 1.25 seconds. while sword is 6k every 0.5 seconds in average..

I know this, because i have spent a year playing LB, before any of the buffs.

Eagle Eye + Steady Focus + Hunter’s Tactics = +25% damage when the conditions are met.
3600 power
66% Crit chance
100% crit damage

with those stats, max LB damage on AA is roughly 5.6k every 1.25 seconds… That is IF you get no Obstructed Errors or “Missed” errors.

Drakent.9605:

Prysin.8542:

Drakent.9605:

TurtleDragon.3108:

Drakent.9605:

Prysin.8542:

LB AA @1000 range with full zerker usually does between 3-5k on NPC bosses. Instead of rapid fire, take quickening zephyr and quickness on crit sigil. And boom, you suddenly up your DPS by loads (attack rate okittenoes up, and so does your DPS).
@500 range or less, sword + axe and warhorn all the way.

if all you can do is 3k-5k with rapid fire then ill agree with you on you shouldn’t be playing ranger b/c you don’t know how to play it.

I am doing 2.5k- 3.k on auto attack and 10k-13k with rapid fire and this is with no buff so tell me what your damage with sword or axe and warhorn is and then we can talk

My sword auto’s can hit for 6k without blood lust stacks and with cheap food.

Sorry my friend but your lie’s are easy to see , raw damage on a sword is 202 when LB raw damage is 312, there no way you can out dps LB auto damage

Attack speed is higher, and RAW damage has NOTHING to do with the damage you do.
If we take basis in this build;
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMEQNAT8XnAV0FclF+VwaZAY9Yv+Gk9wQGX0VA1C2UB-j0xAYLBZqQgSeFRjtSWENW1CmqkIq2nUEtapAiYZE-w

EVERYTHING relies on coefficiencies
Sword AA; 0.6+0.6+0.7 = 1.9
Skill rotation time; 0.5+0.25+0.75 = 1.5
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slash_%28ranger_sword_skill%29
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kick_%28ranger_skill%29
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pounce
Damage over 1.5 seconds = 600+600+698 – 1898 damage

LB AA; 0.9
Skill rotation time; 0.75 (attack) + 0.5 (projectile travel time at 1000 range) = 1.25
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Long_Range_Shot
Damage over 0.75 seconds = 986 damage

In short, the DPS of sword in full zerk, is 150% that of the LB due to projectile travel time factoring in.

Sword AA is the highest DPS skill rangers have. Yes you can hit 6k crits, albeit it does NOT happen very often. Max crit iv’e done with sword is 8.1k and iv’e only managed that once.

K with all your # you still don’t even understand the difference from LB and sword, yes is possible for auto attack on a sword to out dps a LB auto damage at the long run but that’s b/c sword main damage is the auto attack it doesn’t offer nothing else while in the other hand LB has Rapid fire which is the main Damage coming from bow.

So saying that sword is better then LB is incorrect, now I am not saying LB is better then sword either , my main point is that playing LB the right way is as effective as any other weapon.

actually no, Rapid Fire does less damage then LB AA. It is a common misconception that rapid fire does more damage because it shows a bigger number at the end, some calculations were done (before LB AA buff) however i cannot find the thread at this point. Yet in general, LB AA does about 10% more damage over the same timeframe that rapid fire does.

The thing about rapid fire is that it has a set coefficient for all ranges. meaning if you hit 15k from 1000 range, it will also do 15k from 0 range.
We can see this here;
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rapid_Fire
Coefficient (the factor that decides how well the weapon scales with the power stat) per shot is; ""Each separate projectile has a damage coefficient of roughly 0.38. "" or (3,75 / 10 = 0.375 ~ 0.38)

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Long_Range_Shot
At point blank range; 0-500 range: 211 (0.5)
Meaning even at 0-500 range, when there is practically no DPS drop because of projectile travel speed, LB AA will do more damage. However to prove this, you must record the damage done over a set time. Meaning you look at 5 seconds worth of Rapid Fire damage, and check the damage log after 5 seconds of AA fire.

The longer the range, the more advantageous Long Range Shot becomes, because projectile travel speed is the same. So at 1000 range, Long Range Shot have 2.36 times the coefficient of rapid fire.

Just because the number at the end is larger, does not mean that the attack is better.

Drakent.9605:

TurtleDragon.3108:

Drakent.9605:

TurtleDragon.3108:

Drakent.9605:

Prysin.8542:

LB AA @1000 range with full zerker usually does between 3-5k on NPC bosses. Instead of rapid fire, take quickening zephyr and quickness on crit sigil. And boom, you suddenly up your DPS by loads (attack rate okittenoes up, and so does your DPS).
@500 range or less, sword + axe and warhorn all the way.

if all you can do is 3k-5k with rapid fire then ill agree with you on you shouldn’t be playing ranger b/c you don’t know how to play it.

I am doing 2.5k- 3.k on auto attack and 10k-13k with rapid fire and this is with no buff so tell me what your damage with sword or axe and warhorn is and then we can talk

My sword auto’s can hit for 6k without blood lust stacks and with cheap food.

Sorry my friend but your lie’s are easy to see , raw damage on a sword is 202 when LB raw damage is 312, there no way you can out dps LB auto damage , would had believe your lie if you had say 3k ,then I would say not bad since sword has a shorted time but 6k lol that’s the biggest BS I have been told

o wait blood lust stack 25 oh k I can believe that, but remember I can do 3k with out stack of blood lust , that just makes me wonder how much damage I would out dps the sword if I had 25k stack

I’m not even going to bother explaining what’s wrong with your math (hint: highest hit or channel =/= highest DPS), but just for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxJAU6FVWWA

This isn’t fully buffed and played pretty poorly from me, but it backs up what I said.

There nothing wrong with my math which is the reason you cant explain it,

All you just show me is how much damage a sword can do when a boss has 25 stack of vulnerability and you have 25 of might , which is a limit of 6k and what I am telling you is that LB with 0 vulnerability and 0 might can do up 3k a hit I bet that LB can do easy 9k a hit with that much buff on it

Hmm… I wonder why you never have 25 stacks of might as a 1000+ range longbow user.

In the time it takes for you to hit that 9k shot once, I could hit 8.1k twice with a sword.

Given the current state of Ranger, do we really need someone advocating Bearbow?

Drakent.9605:

Prysin.8542:

Drakent.9605:

TurtleDragon.3108:

Drakent.9605:

Prysin.8542:

LB AA @1000 range with full zerker usually does between 3-5k on NPC bosses. Instead of rapid fire, take quickening zephyr and quickness on crit sigil. And boom, you suddenly up your DPS by loads (attack rate okittenoes up, and so does your DPS).
@500 range or less, sword + axe and warhorn all the way.

if all you can do is 3k-5k with rapid fire then ill agree with you on you shouldn’t be playing ranger b/c you don’t know how to play it.

I am doing 2.5k- 3.k on auto attack and 10k-13k with rapid fire and this is with no buff so tell me what your damage with sword or axe and warhorn is and then we can talk

My sword auto’s can hit for 6k without blood lust stacks and with cheap food.

Sorry my friend but your lie’s are easy to see , raw damage on a sword is 202 when LB raw damage is 312, there no way you can out dps LB auto damage

Attack speed is higher, and RAW damage has NOTHING to do with the damage you do.
If we take basis in this build;
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMEQNAT8XnAV0FclF+VwaZAY9Yv+Gk9wQGX0VA1C2UB-j0xAYLBZqQgSeFRjtSWENW1CmqkIq2nUEtapAiYZE-w

EVERYTHING relies on coefficiencies
Sword AA; 0.6+0.6+0.7 = 1.9
Skill rotation time; 0.5+0.25+0.75 = 1.5
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slash_%28ranger_sword_skill%29
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kick_%28ranger_skill%29
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pounce
Damage over 1.5 seconds = 600+600+698 – 1898 damage

LB AA; 0.9
Skill rotation time; 0.75 (attack) + 0.5 (projectile travel time at 1000 range) = 1.25
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Long_Range_Shot
Damage over 0.75 seconds = 986 damage

In short, the DPS of sword in full zerk, is 150% that of the LB due to projectile travel time factoring in.

Sword AA is the highest DPS skill rangers have. Yes you can hit 6k crits, albeit it does NOT happen very often. Max crit iv’e done with sword is 8.1k and iv’e only managed that once.

K with all your # you still don’t even understand the difference from LB and sword, yes is possible for auto attack on a sword to out dps a LB auto damage at the long run but that’s b/c sword main damage is the auto attack it doesn’t offer nothing else for damage while in the other hand LB has Rapid fire which is the main Damage coming from bow.

So saying that sword is better then LB is incorrect, now I am not saying LB is better then sword either , my main point is that playing LB the right way is as effective as any other weapon.

LOL, bearbow is effective? did i just hear that correctly?

L2 play dude…. it takes zero skill to stay at 1000 range and spam 1 and 2….

That type of gameplay is utterly boring and I don’t understand how you do it… yea if you goin full YOLO sniping in wvw, sure LB can be effective… it’s garbage outside of WvW zerg sniping though… thats a fact, you can continue to play bearbow all you want, but in reality, thats completely ineffective style of play in almost all phases of this game

@Drakent

I really think you missed the boat when it was already proven time and time again with hard numbers that melee weapons trump short or longbow on a ranger by a good amount. That’s half the complaints of a lot of rangers now in the fact that ranged on rangers is pretty much a joke. Hell a warrior using longbow has better dmg than a ranger with a longbow. Go figure. Longbow is decent in WvW but we are talking PvE. Since you don’t want to believe anyone, you should really roll a warrior, level it, gear it out as well as you claim your ranger is and go atk stuff. You will see a day and night. I thought my ranger did good dmg. Then I made other classes and leveled them and now I think ranger does ok dmg at best.

And by you camping that 1000 range from the group, you bring absolutely nothing in the sense of utility. Spotter wont reach that far, frost spirit wont work and unless you are running up into melee to drop healing spring, that is a waste too. Keep playing that way if you like but if I was in a fractal or dungeon with you, I would kick you for being a useless bearbow and replace you with anything else.

Don’t get me wrong, I use Kudzu and Dreamer on my ranger in the second slot(LB or SB depending what build im running that day) but my main weapons are ascended 1h sword/dagger. Sometimes I will go 1h sword/warhorn too but again in PvE, bows are pretty lackluster as far as dps goes. I still love using them in open world though since after all, I was dumb enough to make both Kudzu and Dreamer among a few other legendaries on other chars.

@op

Slash—Kick—Pounce: Improved functionality to allow players to cancel the skill chain with less difficulty.

If this is indeed a true change, you will easily be able to play your ranger to its full potential without having to do more to cancel the rooting with regards to dodging/using other active damage mitigation.