LB range bug. when the fix?
Any projectile weapon functions in the same way. Ele staff auto attacks go beyond 1200 for example.
ArenaNet has mentioned that this is not a bug for projectile weapons. They want to reward good positioning. Good positioning allows projectiles to go farther … so mission accomplished.
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As others have said, when other ranged weapons get “fixed.”
That’s interesting didn’t know it effected other weapons as well. BUT i don’t think any weapon is even CLOSE to taking advantage of this.
1500?
The LB can hit from 2100 with good velocity. Cant imagine such a huge difference can be intended,
Stop imagining and go test the weapons.
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17. Intended. All ranged and melee skills have a 15% buffer range to take account for tracking.
I wish we could just get this stickied at the top of the page so we didn’t have to hear this every couple weeks. Seriously, I am running out of cheese to go with all this wine.
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Tyler Chapman.1832:
17. Intended. All ranged and melee skills have a 15% buffer range to take account for tracking.I wish we could just get this stickied at the top of the page so we didn’t have to hear this every couple weeks. Seriously, I am running out of cheese to go with all this wine.
Thats where i went wrong!!!!!!!!!
I forgot 15% of 1500 is 600…lol
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1500 = 225 extra range x by y by the velocity higher ground increases the range and velocity pushes the drop off point further way that also increases the end range effect past its 1500yards+225 for 15% buffer totals 1725yards to the power of projectile speeds / by the height = the extra range induced.
if the arrow travels at 100yards per 0.15secs (abouts) it’ll take 1.5secs per 1000yards to reach its target now apply read the wind to improved that 0.15sec flught time per 100 yards to 0.075 = 0.75secs at 1000yards , 2000yards would take around the same amount of flight time totaling 1.5secs 100% more velocity speed than the base Lb projectile increasing its drop off range by 1000yards totaling 2000yards.
the damage between 1000 and 2000 is the same just the flight speed gets the damage dealt quicker but not per attack so quickness is needed to gain any effect of improved dps to quicken the cast time, the Range means nothing when working out its Effective damage.
from the top of a WvW tower i can effectively shoot at a downwards angle and reach 2400-2600yards when traited with eagle eye and RTW, on a ground level this will only reach 1725yards because of no elevation .
the huge flaw with that image people post about LB range is that the fact, the person testing it is standing on a rock that is 300-350 yards higher than the golem at the end of the Range allowing the arrow with its increased velocity to shoot for a extra 150-200 depending on the drop off point.
1725yards(with velocity eagle eye + RTW) 225 (buffer)150-200(Elevation) = 2100yards based on 150 height Elevation.
also just because somthing is projectile doesn’t mean it’ll equal the same range but it is still governed by the same laws of physics.
the best weapon to test this methord out on is Warroir LB with the Range Traited, though do take note that the warroirs LB does not have velocity so please do count , its base Range+trait 1500 + 15% of that base range + 150 height Drop/range = around the 1725yard-1920 yards if you’d test from the same location.
(edited by Zenos Osgorma.2936)
1500 = 225 extra range x by y by the velocity higher ground increases the range and velocity pushes the drop off point further way that also increases the end range effect past its 1500yards+225 for 15% buffer totals 1725yards to the power of projectile speeds / by the height = the extra range induced.
if the arrow travels at 100yards per 0.15secs (abouts) it’ll take 1.5secs per 1000yards to reach its target now apply read the wind to improved that 0.15sec flught time per 100 yards to 0.075 = 0.75secs at 1000yards , 2000yards would take around the same amount of flight time totaling 1.5secs 100% more velocity speed than the base Lb projectile increasing its drop off range by 1000yards totaling 2000yards.
the damage between 1000 and 2000 is the same just the flight speed gets the damage dealt quicker but not per attack so quickness is needed to gain any effect of improved dps to quicken the cast time, the Range means nothing when working out its Effective damage.
from the top of a WvW tower i can effectively shoot at a downwards angle and reach 2400-2600yards when traited with eagle eye and RTW, on a ground level this will only reach 1725yards because of no elevation .
the huge flaw with that image people post about LB range is that the fact, the person testing it is standing on a rock that is 300-350 yards higher than the golem at the end of the Range allowing the arrow with its increased velocity to shoot for a extra 150-200 depending on the drop off point.
1725yards(with velocity RTW) 225 (buffer)150-200(Elevation) = 2100yards based on 150 height Elevation.
Thanks for the right up. Makes much more sense.
Just feels wierd that weapons with the longest ranges have the biggest buffs from the buffer.
Thanks for the right up. Makes much more sense.
Just feels wierd that weapons with the longest ranges have the biggest buffs from the buffer.
A-net themselves stated that this is for “tracking purposes”.
It only makes sense that the further the range – the harder it will be to hit the escaping opponent. So even if they were in 1500 range at a moment of cast – they’ll probably run out of it by the time the projectile gets them.
The longer the range – the longer distance might be needed for catching up to the target. The mechanic is made for “on the move” fights.
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Even melee weapons go beyond their tooltip range lol.
It shows red, but you can actually hit targets if you just manually swing it.
Also Warrior LB, thief SB, all hit further than tooltip. Donnu why people always ignore that fact and only pin-point on ranger.
Even melee weapons go beyond their tooltip range lol.
It shows red, but you can actually hit targets if you just manually swing it.
Also Warrior LB, thief SB, all hit further than tooltip. Donnu why people always ignore that fact and only pin-point on ranger.
Mostly because majority of rangers do not swap from Longbow when killing people in WvW. And mostly because people die to them.
My 2 cents.
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Long Bow range goes far past 1500 and has for a while.
When will this be patched?
It’s not a bug, it’s your unawareness of the game system. Every projectile works the same way, try it with thief and you’ll be surprised that goes further then it “should”… game has physics and it uses that on amazing way.
For example, lets take real life example.
English Longbow range = 370m
Lets say you shoot down the hill, your arrow will fly further then bow range limit.
Same goes for the range if wind blows in direction of an arrow.
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Read the Wind does NOT affect longbow max range. Go test it.
And btw ele 1500 range projectiles do not even come close to the rangers 1500 longbow skills.
But this is ranger forum so lols expect to get shutdown when you try speaking these things.
Read the Wind does NOT affect longbow max range. Go test it.
And btw ele 1500 range projectiles do not even come close to the rangers 1500 longbow skills.
But this is ranger forum so lols expect to get shutdown when you try speaking these things.
That’s because ele staff has 1200 range…
I play them both, the main reason I don’t want it fixed changed for ranger LB is that it will shorten the range for my ele staff as well. They both take advantage of the same mechanic, you can’t single one out because it can be traited to a higher base range (Raising the amount of “bonus range” as a result).
Read the Wind does NOT affect longbow max range. Go test it.
And btw ele 1500 range projectiles do not even come close to the rangers 1500 longbow skills.
But this is ranger forum so lols expect to get shutdown when you try speaking these things.
That’s because ele staff has 1200 range…
I play them both, the main reason I don’t want it fixed changed for ranger LB is that it will shorten the range for my ele staff as well. They both take advantage of the same mechanic, you can’t single one out because it can be traited to a higher base range (Raising the amount of “bonus range” as a result).
Read the Wind does NOT affect longbow max range. Go test it.
And btw ele 1500 range projectiles do not even come close to the rangers 1500 longbow skills.
But this is ranger forum so lols expect to get shutdown when you try speaking these things.
That’s because ele staff has 1200 range…
I play them both, the main reason I don’t want it fixed changed for ranger LB is that it will shorten the range for my ele staff as well. They both take advantage of the same mechanic, you can’t single one out because it can be traited to a higher base range (Raising the amount of “bonus range” as a result).
So the one utility skill is what you’re angry about?
I’m going to test it regardless since I couldn’t find a video comparing the two, but I can honestly say that I didn’t know AB was 1500, nor do I think it gains anything from having that range.
I’ve only ever used it when trying to make a max burst scepter build, which is all done at mid range, and screwing around with a staff condi build (proc burning through a fire field). In general it is vastly outshined by arcane wave (can’t be reflected/destroyed, aoe, blast finisher) so it almost never gets put on my bar.
Good on you for showing an ele skill that has 1500 range, I don’t see how it not traveling as far as a lb shot (if that is the case) effects the use of the skill.
Edit: Yep, AB is roughly 200 units shorter best I can tell. The flight path is also very wobbly and not so much and arc compared to Ranger LB.
I’m not so sure this is because the Ranger LB is shooting farther than it should, but more because of the pathing on AB.
(edited by Aerathnor.8305)
But this is ranger forum so lols expect to get shutdown when you try speaking these things.
I think you just have to stop for a moment and look at the mirror really. You only get shut down for being ignorant, not understanding the mechanics and how things actually work, coming up with nonsense arguments or things that has gotten posted bazillion times in the past. People try to explain but you refuse to understand or believe which then seems to make you even angrier, in return people give you answers in the similar tone you are posting and the vicious cycle goes on and on. The range of the LB-topic has been discussed so many times before, it’s getting really old now. Devs stated it’s not a bug, it’s not a glitch, it’s working as intended. Move on already.
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But this is ranger forum so lols expect to get shutdown when you try speaking these things.
I think you just have to stop for a moment and look at the mirror really. You only get shut down for being ignorant, not understanding the mechanics and how things actually work, coming up with nonsense arguments or things that has gotten posted bazillion times in the past. People try to explain but you refuse to understand or believe which then seems to make you even angrier, in return people give you answers in the similar tone you are posting and the vicious cycle goes on and on. The range of the LB-topic has been discussed so many times before, it’s getting really old now. Devs stated it’s not a bug, it’s not a glitch, it’s working as intended. Move on already.
And yet the poster above you just confirmed another 1500 range projectile from another class doesn’t touch the longbow. And no doubt you are thinking read the wind! But that too has been seen to not increase the lb max range and we all know how bad the speed of non traited arrows are.
But this is ranger forum so lols expect to get shutdown when you try speaking these things.
I think you just have to stop for a moment and look at the mirror really. You only get shut down for being ignorant, not understanding the mechanics and how things actually work, coming up with nonsense arguments or things that has gotten posted bazillion times in the past. People try to explain but you refuse to understand or believe which then seems to make you even angrier, in return people give you answers in the similar tone you are posting and the vicious cycle goes on and on. The range of the LB-topic has been discussed so many times before, it’s getting really old now. Devs stated it’s not a bug, it’s not a glitch, it’s working as intended. Move on already.
And yet the poster above you just confirmed another 1500 range projectile from another class doesn’t touch the longbow. And no doubt you are thinking read the wind! But that too has been seen to not increase the lb max range and we all know how bad the speed of non traited arrows are.
I confirmed it with caveats. AB flies like a bird with a hurt wing. The difference I noticed is roughly 200 units shooting at a dummy from the same place with the same elevation. I think it has more to do with the pathing/tracking of AB more than anything (which I must add is hitting beyond its stated 1500 range, like it should).
If there are other class abilities with 1500 range we should try them as well, I’m not aware of any beyond AB. Basically I have 4 skills that are hitting at the same range and one that is not. AB is the outlier that seems to not be functioning like the other 1500 range skills.
But this is ranger forum so lols expect to get shutdown when you try speaking these things.
I think you just have to stop for a moment and look at the mirror really. You only get shut down for being ignorant, not understanding the mechanics and how things actually work, coming up with nonsense arguments or things that has gotten posted bazillion times in the past. People try to explain but you refuse to understand or believe which then seems to make you even angrier, in return people give you answers in the similar tone you are posting and the vicious cycle goes on and on. The range of the LB-topic has been discussed so many times before, it’s getting really old now. Devs stated it’s not a bug, it’s not a glitch, it’s working as intended. Move on already.
And yet the poster above you just confirmed another 1500 range projectile from another class doesn’t touch the longbow. And no doubt you are thinking read the wind! But that too has been seen to not increase the lb max range and we all know how bad the speed of non traited arrows are.
I confirmed it with caveats. AB flies like a bird with a hurt wing. The difference I noticed is roughly 200 units shooting at a dummy from the same place with the same elevation. I think it has more to do with the pathing/tracking of AB more than anything (which I must add is hitting beyond its stated 1500 range, like it should).
If there are other class abilities with 1500 range we should try them as well, I’m not aware of any beyond AB. Basically I have 4 skills that are hitting at the same range and one that is not. AB is the outlier that seems to not be functioning like the other 1500 range skills.
What are the other 4?
Sadly we do not have anymore 1500 range projectiles ingame. Other 1500 range skills are ground targeted (nades, belt rocket, mortar), bullet type skills (rifle burst) or absolute range type skills (traited steal). The only other possible 1500 range projectile was
Mimic->Echo but was removed from game. Yet another reason to mourn its passing ;-( http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Echo
But this is ranger forum so lols expect to get shutdown when you try speaking these things.
I think you just have to stop for a moment and look at the mirror really. You only get shut down for being ignorant, not understanding the mechanics and how things actually work, coming up with nonsense arguments or things that has gotten posted bazillion times in the past. People try to explain but you refuse to understand or believe which then seems to make you even angrier, in return people give you answers in the similar tone you are posting and the vicious cycle goes on and on. The range of the LB-topic has been discussed so many times before, it’s getting really old now. Devs stated it’s not a bug, it’s not a glitch, it’s working as intended. Move on already.
And yet the poster above you just confirmed another 1500 range projectile from another class doesn’t touch the longbow. And no doubt you are thinking read the wind! But that too has been seen to not increase the lb max range and we all know how bad the speed of non traited arrows are.
I confirmed it with caveats. AB flies like a bird with a hurt wing. The difference I noticed is roughly 200 units shooting at a dummy from the same place with the same elevation. I think it has more to do with the pathing/tracking of AB more than anything (which I must add is hitting beyond its stated 1500 range, like it should).
If there are other class abilities with 1500 range we should try them as well, I’m not aware of any beyond AB. Basically I have 4 skills that are hitting at the same range and one that is not. AB is the outlier that seems to not be functioning like the other 1500 range skills.
What are the other 4?
Sadly we do not have anymore 1500 range projectiles ingame. Other 1500 range skills are ground targeted (nades, belt rocket, mortar), bullet type skills (rifle burst) or absolute range type skills (traited steal). The only other possible 1500 range projectile was
Mimic->Echo but was removed from game. Yet another reason to mourn its passing ;-( http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Echo
I’m referring to the 4 projectile skills on the LB.
Basically I’m saying that Anet seems to believe 1500 range skills should function like the ranger LB. AB does not. The question should be “When are they fixing AB?” as it is the outlier.
Since AB is of limited usefulness as a utility (you would have to halve it’s cd for me to even consider it over AW as projectile finishers are simply blegh), I doubt that it will ever be fixed/changed.
Ideally they would all function the same, unfortunately they dont.
Read the Wind does NOT affect longbow max range. Go test it.
And btw ele 1500 range projectiles do not even come close to the rangers 1500 longbow skills.
But this is ranger forum so lols expect to get shutdown when you try speaking these things.
I can confirm that, tested it in the mist awhile ago. RtW does not increase the range a single bit.
Also people saying those magic 2100~2300 range is outright lying too lol..
Read the Wind does NOT affect longbow max range. Go test it.
And btw ele 1500 range projectiles do not even come close to the rangers 1500 longbow skills.
But this is ranger forum so lols expect to get shutdown when you try speaking these things.
I can confirm that, tested it in the mist awhile ago. RtW does not increase the range a single bit.
Also people saying those magic 2100~2300 range is outright lying too lol..
lol never staid RtW increases range , its the combination of Height+Velocity that increases Range and the Height being the bigger Benifactor , the velocity is only 25% of the total sum .
i can’t be bothered with Defined specs though it is bigger the drop the further the arrow falls increasing its distance between the firer and the range the projectile travels.
the only thing the Velocity does is push the drop off point further away and without the height it will go no further than 1725yards.
Read the Wind does NOT affect longbow max range. Go test it.
And btw ele 1500 range projectiles do not even come close to the rangers 1500 longbow skills.
But this is ranger forum so lols expect to get shutdown when you try speaking these things.
I can confirm that, tested it in the mist awhile ago. RtW does not increase the range a single bit.
Also people saying those magic 2100~2300 range is outright lying too lol..lol never staid RtW increases range , its the combination of Height+Velocity that increases Range and the Height being the bigger Benifactor , the velocity is only 25% of the total sum .
i can’t be bothered with Defined specs though it is bigger the drop the further the arrow falls increasing its distance between the firer and the range the projectile travels.
the only thing the Velocity does is push the drop off point further away and without the height it will go no further than 1725yards.
I’m not talking about you, just saying those ranger haters always lie about the range stuff, exaggerating things like 2100~2300 range, and lying about RtW makes the arrow flys even further.