Guild Wars 2

IMO LB is one of the best weapon to use in wvw because of the stealth on a relatively shirt CD you can reset a fight very quickly. A beastmaster equip with a LB in the right hand is possiblyone of the strongest combination in the game.

stealth is too short to reset. You can create space, but not reset.
Reset happens at 8-10 seconds with a minimum distance of 4k from enemy, AFAIK.

LB is a good backup weapon. But not a good primary weapon.

Best weapon set(s) for WvW is GS + Axe/Warhorn. This set will be even better now that axe and GS is getting buffed.

Since when is GS better for hitting anything with a brain?

Prysin.8542:

stealth is too short to reset. You can create space, but not reset.
Reset happens at 8-10 seconds with a minimum distance of 4k from enemy, AFAIK.

LB is a good backup weapon. But not a good primary weapon.

Best weapon set(s) for WvW is GS + Axe/Warhorn. This set will be even better now that axe and GS is getting buffed.

Greatsword is the most easiest weapon to kite, you use your swoop and thats it the enemy can run around start gathering herbs wood and ore, make his own food and still you will not reach him, GreatSword has 1 cripple and a leap, those are not enough to help you catch up on an enemy that may have a teleport (Blink..Teleport..Etc..), swiftness and also a distance gainer such as warrior’s #2 sword who is pretty low cd.

Ignorance is bliss, isn’t that what they say?

The whole longbow love thing is why I didn’t create a ranger for over a year of playing this game. Now I really like rangers, after seeing everything they can do with all of their other weapons, and especially considering the buffs to things like the axe. And Prysin is 100% correct.

Longbow to me seems like a death sentence in organized guild WvW groups. It means you can’t move with your team when they peel out, it means you get picked off by enemy gank, and it means you can’t share support/recovery/boons with your team. Any weapon that puts you more than 2 dodges away from your driver to be effective shouldn’t be used.

nearlight.3064:

… and it means you can’t share support/recovery/boons with your team. Any weapon that puts you more than 2 dodges away from your driver to be effective shouldn’t be used.

I really wish they would fix this ridiculous stack and kitten strategy… There should be more emphasis on tactical play rather than just spamming buffs as fast as you can mash a button.

Sollith.3502:

nearlight.3064:

… and it means you can’t share support/recovery/boons with your team. Any weapon that puts you more than 2 dodges away from your driver to be effective shouldn’t be used.

I really wish they would fix this ridiculous stack and kitten strategy… There should be more emphasis on tactical play rather than just spamming buffs as fast as you can mash a button.

ok so how would you fix this “ridiculous stack and kitten strategy”???
Give player models collision? Yeah great idea!!! now we cannot stack, now we can systematically grief others instead, something that time and time again is being done in MMO games (lookin at you battlefield).
Oh how about this, players are made like opposite magnets so they cannot get too close to eachother!!!
AWESOME IDEA, except now, only the first 10 players will be in reach of any field, forcing players to run massive field+blast spam trains, which again means massive particle effect spam, which would cause anyone without a very good PC to CTD upon drawing near zerg fights.

The stacking meta is here because of three things;

1. Size of fields and blast finishers
2. AOE limit (which again is there to prevent 5 players from demolishing 80 players)
3. The effectiveness of concentrated damage.

If you want to rid the game of the stacking meta, you need a whole different game, built around a whole different combat mechanic. In short, to stop stacking meta, you must relinquish all forms of melee bar a very very few options, and the whole game gotta be purely based on ranged attacks. To dumb it down → want stacking gone? Play a FPS game. The end.

Sollith.3502:

nearlight.3064:

… and it means you can’t share support/recovery/boons with your team. Any weapon that puts you more than 2 dodges away from your driver to be effective shouldn’t be used.

I really wish they would fix this ridiculous stack and kitten strategy… There should be more emphasis on tactical play rather than just spamming buffs as fast as you can mash a button.

Tactical play is stacking.

Sollith.3502:

nearlight.3064:

… and it means you can’t share support/recovery/boons with your team. Any weapon that puts you more than 2 dodges away from your driver to be effective shouldn’t be used.

I really wish they would fix this ridiculous stack and kitten strategy… There should be more emphasis on tactical play rather than just spamming buffs as fast as you can mash a button.

There is tactical play. Leap up, send out pulls, bomb. Thats the offensive.

The defensive is dodging CC fields, and enemy bombs and disengaging with your group, as well as putting down water fields and blasting them for recovery.

So trust me, its hardly stacking. Stacking has its place, but it can make you extremely vulnerable to AoE bombs.. You need to spread out a little bit (especially as a periph), but not so far out that you get left in the dust or picked off. Its all about being smart and proper positioning and coordinating with your group.

IMO warrior LB is a lot stronger than ranger LB for WVW due to much stronger AOE, & more useful CC. i think that says a lot.

I think warrior LB is as good as it is because it’s attached to warrior, not because it’s an amazing weapon.

EDIT: But to be fair, it probably is better for AoE, however most WvW rangers roam anyway, so it’s not as big of a deal.

Prysin.8542:

stealth is too short to reset. You can create space, but not reset.
Reset happens at 8-10 seconds with a minimum distance of 4k from enemy, AFAIK.

LB is a good backup weapon. But not a good primary weapon.

Best weapon set(s) for WvW is GS + Axe/Warhorn. This set will be even better now that axe and GS is getting buffed.

Maybe for your playstyle, but longbow has long since served me as a great primary weapon – in both spvp and wvw.

Different strokes for different folks.

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As I suggested multiple times…

Removing useless Swiftness from Hunter’s Shot, giving pet built-in Agility Training, and instead giving Hunter’s Shot Haste (100% movement speed) for both you and pet for the duration of stealth created by this skill would allow Longbow to properly re-position.

The haste should be removed on weapon swap though, to not allow Sword/Greatsword MIG-29 mobility.

Honestly speaking, if the skill would just stealth 100% of the time it would probably be much stronger. Mine probably misfires about 30% of the time because the target’s I most want to use it against are evade spamming thieves and highly mobile elementalists.

But yes, the lack of mobility on the weapon and forcing you to weapon swap to reposition is an enormous problem for the class. That’s why I’ve been begging for a fast hands trait. Alone neither Greatsword or Longbow are really that great of a weapon, but together they provide everything a power Ranger needs. The problem has always been that neither weapon has enough to stand on their own for the 10 seconds you’re stuck in it waiting for the swap.

Unless of course you’re 1500+ away and face no challengers auto spamming across the field. Then one of those lever ducks homer simpson used would be enough.

Sollith.3502:

nearlight.3064:

… and it means you can’t share support/recovery/boons with your team. Any weapon that puts you more than 2 dodges away from your driver to be effective shouldn’t be used.

I really wish they would fix this ridiculous stack and kitten strategy… There should be more emphasis on tactical play rather than just spamming buffs as fast as you can mash a button.

lulwut? Since when is moving in such a way that you maximize offensive and defensive capabilities not considered “tactics”?

I’ve watched zergs die to a force 1/3 their size because they were idiots and charged a choke point used as an obvious trap. There’s plenty of tactics beyond “stack for might” and stability spam.

I use sword/warhorn/axe and LB in WvW in large fights I like to circle around to the enemies back line and hammer their casters, but I make sure im constantly moving.
I use GS as a means of moving faster across the map.
LB seems to give necros alot of problems.

scerevisiae.1972:

IMO warrior LB is a lot stronger than ranger LB for WVW due to much stronger AOE, & more useful CC. i think that says a lot.

you know nothing john snow

ranger LB piercing point black shot , barrage, and rapid fire for a gank ranger is much better than high arcing warrior shot. only thing warrior has for the LB that is any use is a blast finisher and a huge fire field. CC? what pin down? umm leek poultry soup and a ton of condi cleanse from the zerg. oh its a single target skill. baaaahh

sorry

Underrated? No.
We just don’t get buffs, no help, no resurrect, aaaand it’s like we’re not there at all.
I’m only getting helped by random Rangers and friends of mine when I’m not a commander.

Our damage is low, no real bursts, no good conditions, no mutch interrupt, no stuns, autoaiming is just bad and our pet dies, there goes our damage…

The upcomming patch will help a little, but it’s still far from a competitive espectation.

Don’t forget that if the enemy reflects hunter’s shot, it stealths them. Either that or warriors learn to stealth when I play ranger shrugs

That’s only a problem if you’re not paying much attention.

Sevans.4619:

That’s only a problem if you’re not paying much attention.

I never said I was a good ranger :P

Jugglemonkey.8741:

Don’t forget that if the enemy reflects hunter’s shot, it stealths them. Either that or warriors learn to stealth when I play ranger shrugs

I’ve seen more than 1 warrior kill themselves with kill shot on my axe5. Yes I did say more than one. In fact I’ve seen warriors killshot themselves agains the kitten grawl shaman. Give me time and I will find a necro to kill themselves on scepter1.

Fluffball.8307:

Jugglemonkey.8741:

Don’t forget that if the enemy reflects hunter’s shot, it stealths them. Either that or warriors learn to stealth when I play ranger shrugs

I’ve seen more than 1 warrior kill themselves with kill shot on my axe5. Yes I did say more than one. In fact I’ve seen warriors killshot themselves agains the kitten grawl shaman. Give me time and I will find a necro to kill themselves on scepter1.

You can create clones of yourself by reflecting mesmer scepter autoattacks!

Fluffball.8307:

Jugglemonkey.8741:

Don’t forget that if the enemy reflects hunter’s shot, it stealths them. Either that or warriors learn to stealth when I play ranger shrugs

I’ve seen more than 1 warrior kill themselves with kill shot on my axe5. Yes I did say more than one. In fact I’ve seen warriors killshot themselves agains the kitten grawl shaman. Give me time and I will find a necro to kill themselves on scepter1.

LOL

One major problem – Necro scepter is not a projectile – thus not reflectable

Rannulf.9417:

IMO LB is one of the best weapon to use in wvw because of the stealth on a relatively shirt CD you can reset a fight very quickly. A beastmaster equip with a LB in the right hand is possiblyone of the strongest combination in the game.

I love using lb on my Ranger. I primarily use the stealth to re-position since it is not long enough to really reset. The closest you can get to a stealth reset is to switch to sword the split second you go stealth, leap backwards → lightning reflex leap → turn camera and sword leap again and you will become visible about midway through the 3rd leap. That is a lot of distance in three seconds.

Narkodx.1472:

Fluffball.8307:

Jugglemonkey.8741:

Don’t forget that if the enemy reflects hunter’s shot, it stealths them. Either that or warriors learn to stealth when I play ranger shrugs

I’ve seen more than 1 warrior kill themselves with kill shot on my axe5. Yes I did say more than one. In fact I’ve seen warriors killshot themselves agains the kitten grawl shaman. Give me time and I will find a necro to kill themselves on scepter1.

LOL

One major problem – Necro scepter is not a projectile – thus not reflectable

I wouldn’t underestimate the stupidity of some players. Give them time and they will kill themselves in a way that violates game mechanics.

Don’t know about you but I like longbow for its vulnerability stacking… Then I hit ’m with no. 5 on greatsword so that no. 2 can hit for 50% more damage. Have hit opponents for 9k dmg with the no.2 alone, it makes for a decent burst even with soldiers amulet.

I ran a lb/gs moment of clarity ranger in WvW for 3 days. I had surprisingly good success with it, but there were a few things I noted:
-you never realize how many reflects and projectile blockers there are until you play ranger
-thieves are by far the hardest fight
-spider F2’s have misleading tooltips (says your next attack, but it’s your spider’s next attack)
-hunter’s shot is very unreliable
-a good hilt bash maul combo hits like an eviscerate
-gs 4 is amazing. Almost 3 skills in one.
-people underestimate you and suffer the consequences
-great at chasing
-the upcoming buffs will only make things better for me
-some people are too lucky with random dodges

Cecilia.5179:

I ran a lb/gs moment of clarity ranger in WvW for 3 days. I had surprisingly good success with it, but there were a few things I noted:
-you never realize how many reflects and projectile blockers there are until you play ranger
-thieves are by far the hardest fight
-spider F2’s have misleading tooltips (says your next attack, but it’s your spider’s next attack)
-hunter’s shot is very unreliable
-a good hilt bash maul combo hits like an eviscerate
-gs 4 is amazing. Almost 3 skills in one.
-people underestimate you and suffer the consequences
-great at chasing
-the upcoming buffs will only make things better for me
-some people are too lucky with random dodges

I love the GS random dodges, solo’d a champ with just that, the dodges lined up perfectly with the bosses’s attackspeed.

LB ranger is seriously underplayed skillfully in WvW.

Get a group of three well skilled LB rangers together and see the amount of ranged pain they can cause.