Guild Wars 2

I just took out my shortbow to test this “40ms slowdown”.. and noticed that my shortbow is really really slow now.. when I use quickening it’s almost twice as slow than it was before during quickening.. a huge drop in dps. During quickening it barely goes any faster than normal crossfire was before the patch.

I don’t get why they don’t just admit it’s a massive downgrade instead of trying to hide it behind an animation fix, do they think people won’t notice?

Did shortbow really need such a huge downgrade when warriors and mesmers are melting people left and right? Or did they think the longbow was too useless compared to the shortbow, and instead of changing the longbow they thought it would be cool to ruin the shortbow, which was the ranger’s only viable weapon?

Um..you realize 40 ms is about .004 of a second? I noticed no difference in my attack speed.

I think your suffering from placibo.

Its .04 – and yes you can see and feel it.

Actually yeah…My shortbow feels a lot slower. Maybe it’s just in my head though.

Faytte, go test it, you will find a massive dps downgrade.

It’s not a placebo effect, it is noticeably slower. Good job anet.

It takes me about twice as long to take down a monster now than before the patch went in… that’s a 50% dps downgrade.

First I read how the guardian greatsword gets ruined, which was the only other profession/build outside of ranger that I enjoyed, and then a bit lower I see that the ranger shortbow is completely destroyed into the ground, leaving me with not a single profession left to enjoy.

Good job Anet, good job ruining yet another profession with this overnerfing obsession. Instead of giving rangers more than just one viable build, you go and ruin that one viable build.

Mhmm. you’re right. it’s A LOT slower. Guess I won’t be pvping for a week until they fix this.

true its like use qz and gg wtf is this? best of the shortbow got nerfed the felling o f the machine gun

Don’t mention it’s a nerf in map chat, you’ll get a bunch of people that don’t play rangers saying it’s not noticeable at all. Either Anet screwed up or they lied about the actual number for the nerf.

I ran tests; it’s definitely firing more than 40ms slower. I can see from other posts that other people agree. I did some quantitative testing with the amount of bleeds I could stack on a training dummy; it used to be 6 or 7 before (13 or 14 with quickness). Now it’s only 5 or 6, and 9 or 10 with quickness. Both tests are using the utility skill for the 4 second quickness.

This is, I think, a bigger downgrade than the developers intended. I’d love to hear their thoughts on this.

Did testing, yes, it’s much slower than 40ms would imply. Formerly could stack on 7 bleeds without quickness, 14 bleeds with quickness; now can only stack on 6 without, 10 with. Very big hit.

The way i see it, the animation was kind of canceling itself. By adding 40 mili sec to the normal animation, so it not longer bug and cancel itself halfway, so the attack speed you see now is the intended attack speed.

Most class saw their “best option” get nerfed. Greatsword guardian got nerfed, s/p thief got nerfed, and even bots agreed that the shortbow was the best weapon.

God… Really … This is way past retarted.. Now I really have to put my ranger aside and play other class .. Dear Anet.. Before I patch, I can’t see any glitch with my cross fire animation .. Now I do…

Well I take it back. I just tested it. Theres no way this is a 40 milli second decrease.

Arsenic Touch.7960:

Don’t mention it’s a nerf in map chat, you’ll get a bunch of people that don’t play rangers saying it’s not noticeable at all. Either Anet screwed up or they lied about the actual number for the nerf.

A bunch of people, in the Dragonbrand Fireheart Rise map chat? That was one person, me, and I am a ranger. Stop talking crap about people you know nothing about.

Granted I will admit it seems like they miscalculated, 40ms would not be noticeable, this is obviously not truly 40ms.

Lol, the longbow is actually better now, and that is not a viable weapon, you cannot kill anyone with that when roaming in wvw.

I had hoped they would at least remove the root from the sword, so I could use that weapon for leveling instead, but no..

When I saw elementalists, the weakest profession in the game, getting another downgrade, (-33% whirlpool damage) that shoulda been a sign tho.

Anyway we can alert Devs of this thread?

I read on the patch notes that they increased the cast time by 40 milliseconds to avoid the glitches caused with using this skill. I’ve been playing my 80 Ranger for a while now, and I don’t know if it’s just me, but I haven’t seen any glitches with it o.O

What I do see though, is that the nerf now makes my shortbow go from being a machine gun to just a regular old bow.

So what were the glitches caused by the old cast time of Crossfire?

Was the shortbow in need of a nerf? Of course not. Seems like a big nerf for a animation glitch. :/

Please please let this be just a bug and not a stealth nerf destroying one of our best skills!

I never noticed a glitch either, but I definitely notice how slower it is now.

I’ve shot literally millions of arrows with the shortbow as its my primary weapon and the speed change is noticeable.

They should level the dps output across all of our weapons so they are all viable instead of tinkering with stuff that weakens a viable option.

Go compare your dps with pre-patch numbers, you’ll be quite shocked.

Noticed it too, I hope it’s either unintended mistake or they will buff the overall damage to make up for the DPS we just lost. SB is already a pretty bad weapon in any serious PvP match, now it became even worse.

At least all the people complaining about the “animation problem” with the Crossfire skill will be happy…

GJ ANET you ruined class that was most underpowered in the game

time to reroll to thief and spam 4 buttons for the win

I don’t understand how this can happen, don’t they do any tests at all before they launch a patch? I panicked a bit first, but now I realize this cannot possible be intended, since it means ranger becomes entirely useless for pvp, it would make us too weak to do any kind of pvp.

I never noticed any “animation” problem whatsoever btw.

I wouldn’t call the Ranger underpowered, but it could have used a little more tweaking, not nerfing -_-

I’ve been reading on the other threads as well, and I see that people are testing it and are saying that the increase in casting time is a little more than the said 40 milliseconds.

Looks like I’ll be rerolling thief or engineer soon. Sigh. All work wasted getting to 80 and gearing up.

(looks back at all work done for short bow legendary)

… : |

true now the dreamer was atually a dream

Such a gigantic drop in dps can’t be intended though, it’s not like the shortbow was overpowered in any way before, it was quite weak compared to other profession builds.

I’m sure they will realize something went wrong (though I don’t get why they didn’t see this when they tested the change), and either speed up the shortbow again or increase its damage apropriately.

Yep. This class is ruined now.

Well I am going to send a support ticket for this bull crap. I hope it’s a “error” during implementation of this “fix”.
I go work on my thief then.. At least I could transfer my gear to him..
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I’ve never noticed a glitch.

Ranger SB is basically the reason I played the class.

Guess I can reroll warrior and be better at ranged with OP crap like Killshot.

Ditto on hearing their thoughts. This has basically gutted my Ranger. If this stays in play I might just convert to a warrior. They were already arguably better at ranged than us before hand, and now its just harder to justify not playing them. No positional requirement on their 1 condition damage (Which is a longer bleed and easier to stack) and KILL SHOT. Any ranger would give up their pet for kill shot.

I might switch to a Warrior after these changes. They were already arguably better at ranged than Rangers were. Better damage and they have burst where rangers have none.

I wouldn’t delete your ranger character yet, there’s no way that this can be an intended change. My dps with the shortbow was almost cut in half, so that can’t be intended.

It’s just frustrating because I can’t play anymore now, I just don’t do enough damage to partake either in pve or pvp, so I hope they repair this problem soon, preferably today.

“Wow! Thanks Anet! Now my shortbow animation works properly! Thank you so much!!”

-Said no one ever.

As for me. The machine gun-like speed of the SB is what got me hooked.

We can only hope they bring back the old cast time, and fix the ‘glitches’ a different way, or up the actual damage of Crossfire.

So now its fair to compare

Warrior Rifle Shot Auto Attack
Same Range, More damage. Not as fast, but thats no longer a huge difference given the speed nerf.
They apply a 6 second bleed regardless of positioning
Rangers apply a 3 second bleed if behind the target or along the sides.

Cross fire is now strictly worse than Warrior Rifle Auto Attack
Theirs fires slightly slower, does more damage
They apply a 6 second bleed with no positional requirements
Rangers apply a 3 second bleed WITH a positional requirement.

Good Game.

I noticed this right away and thought it was just me. It was my guardian friend’s mentioning that he thought I was shooting slower that made me wonder if it was broken.

Being only level 67, I still feel like I’ve wasted the past month with this profession. The ranger is broken six ways till Sunday. I came to this game because people were praising how “balanced” it was. Just kidding?

This is really disheartening… Ive spent real money just to geared my beloved ranger then i get this? I dont know where to get motivation to still play my ranger… i hope this is just a mistake..

deepwinter.9015:

I noticed this right away and thought it was just me. It was my guardian friend’s mentioning that he thought I was shooting slower that made me wonder if it was broken.

Being only level 67, I still feel like I’ve wasted the past month with this profession. The ranger is broken six ways till Sunday. I came to this game because people were praising how “balanced” it was. Just kidding?

Yep I feel the same way. Pets are meh at best. MoP WoW pets feel meaty, where pets in this game are just kind of lame; they rarely hit in pvp and their active abilities are generally very underwhelming.

Oh and warriors our ranged damage us handily now, so theres that too. In heavy armor no doubt with far better group support skills. Meanwhile our spirits get one shot.

They havnt said anything so far, which implies its not. Sorry you spent money on it. This is Guild Wars 2: Play a Warrior Edition. They do our job at ranged better, support better, and most certainly melee better.

I’ve spent so much time and money and effort into my ranger. I’ll wait till they give an official response till I reroll to thief or engineer.

Can you buff longbow and make it playable at least Anet…

Or, up the damage of the shortbow to compensate for the slower attack speed.