Guild Wars 2

Yo!

Is it just me or do people not really like that trait? Why do some people prefer ’’Remorseless’’ over lead the wind?

I’m not a pro ranger or anything, but in my eyes lead the wind seems like the better trait.

Which one do you guys prefer?

90% of the time I go remorseless. Guaranteed crit +25% damage, more vulnerability, I’m constantly thinking about what skills I’m using to proc fury and in what order, it’s just a better, more interesting trait.
LtW is just so boring and passive in comparison, only time I switch to LtW is if I’m trying to pick people off in a zerg.

Depends. If I’m just playing around in open world I just use LtW to pierce things around with LB, otherwise Remorseless is the way to be.

I’m not a pro ranger (practically new 80.) But, I prefer LtW to Remorseless.

Right now I’m using a LB / S&WH setup that grants me perma Fury with a double blast of Call of the Wild. I have constant fury up-time. But, I don’t apply it that often. So, LtW makes more sense to me. Plus, I find the tactical positioning for the piercing effect to be engaging.

That said; if you run a Survival traited ranger, I could definitely see the value in Remorseless.

Belzebu.3912:

Depends. […]

This. E. g. I play my ranger almost exclusively in WvW. I don’t want to miss LdtW there, since it helps clear guards (proper positioning should be mandatory) and almost guarantees multiple hits in larger fights, be it on open field or attacking/defending something. But if I would waste my WvW-time duelling 1v1, I’d probably go with Remorseless.
So you see, it all depends

It depends on the game mode.

For PvE if you are going power, which you should, usually you take Predators and sometimes if you need to keep up vulnerability you take Remorseless.

Lead the Wind is a must in WvW zerg fights if you are playing LB ranger, however. The BM line is less then stellar here as you do not want your pet to be anywhere near the zerg fight so you would usually go MM instead of BM.

Some people like going MM but for PvP or WvW roaming, considering WS and BM are usually a must due to the dueling nature of the game play, you want either Skirmishing or NM.
Both are equal in utility and power, but one is defensive the other offensive.

It depends on what you like to do. If you are often in a 1 v 1 or small scale fights then remorseless is the way to go. You hit hard and your pets hit way harder. If you are good at skill cancelling your canine kds then you can save up a 5k kd which can be super helpful in a pinch. In a team setting (like a 5v5 PvP match) I prefer lead the wind because piercing arrows, faster autos, and cd reductions are helpful. + if I line up my arrows right and am hitting more than 1 target then I am greatly out dpsing remorseless. So for me, remorseless for 1 v 1s, LTW for everything else.

When I grab longbow I use lead the wind – maybe its sth wrong with me but after playing it this way so long the atack speed missile speed feels way too slow without that perk….

when I don’t grab longbow I usually also do not grab marksmanship specialisation….

well remorseless is probably a good trait but I just prefer to dish out as much from my bow as possible

I prefer Lead the Wind, so I don’t know.

With my WvW Ranger I often camp longbow, so the 10% attack speed adds up quickly compared to the 25% damage very now and then. I also love the passiveness of it. It requires 0 thought or preperation, it’s just a constant benefit. On top of this, 20% cooldown reduction is great and so is piercing arrows.

However, all Marksmanship minor traits are basically worthless to me. If I had Remorseless, they would suddenly have a use. That’s why the Opening Strike-reset-mechanic should be part of the minor traits rather than being an optional GM trait.

I guess another reason is that people use it for the free crits, so they can have less precision in their build.

LtW is a generally more useful trait in anything other than a 1v1 imho (We’re talking WvW here). The ability to rapid fire into an enemy stack, doing 8-10k damage to 5 targets can’t be downplayed. If you position yourself well, the damage you deal out through piercing far outweighs the benefits that remorseless brings, especially when you take the 20% CD reduction into account as well.

Predator’s Onslaught = sword oriented (max single target DPS)
Remorseless = GreatSword oriented (burst or vuln stacking)
Lead the Wind = Longbow oriented (safe range)

That’s just how it is. You have to take into consideration that if you hit at least 2 people with your arrows – you just got a 100% damage increase (that can go up to 500%).

Tragic Positive.9356:

Predator’s Onslaught = sword oriented (max single target DPS)
Remorseless = GreatSword oriented (burst or vuln stacking)
Lead the Wind = Longbow oriented (safe range)

That’s just how it is. You have to take into consideration that if you hit at least 2 people with your arrows – you just got a 100% damage increase (that can go up to 500%).

some times i’d even combine Ltw with quickdraw instead of MDG on my cav/zealot WvW set up.
.it really racks up the damage. letting me Evade for days/ block very often too while pumping out a barrage every 12seconds or every weapon swap.

Terimac.5871:

Yo!

Is it just me or do people not really like that trait? Why do some people prefer ’’Remorseless’’ over lead the wind?

I’m not a pro ranger or anything, but in my eyes lead the wind seems like the better trait.

Which one do you guys prefer?

Remorseless is much better than LtW.
Lead the Wind just affects your Longbow, and only reduce your CD that is not that long and add pierces. The 15% reduction in attack speed is not noticeable.

Piercing is more a problem than a virtue because will aggro much more. Also with a weapon that has 1500 radius you can aggro a lot with that. It wouldn’t be the first time i die in wvw because while fighting a player a aggroed everything around me.

Because the ranger have only one melee weapon the greatsword you will be using the trait that improve the CD. This trait also gives you Fury which has synergy with that trait. Also other sources of fury (swap pet, survival skills when traited) will help to proc the trait.

The build to use with that trait would be: WS – MS – BM. Focused in power build ofc.

anduriell.6280:

Remorseless is much better than LtW.
Lead the Wind just affects your Longbow, and only reduce your CD that is not that long and add pierces. The 15% reduction in attack speed is not noticeable.

actually it is noticeable….

anduriell.6280:

Piercing is more a problem than a virtue because will aggro much more. Also with a weapon that has 1500 radius you can aggro a lot with that. It wouldn’t be the first time i die in wvw because while fighting a player a aggroed everything around me.

never found this to be issue – maybe you should pickup your battles being more aware of your surroundings?

anduriell.6280:

Because the ranger have only one melee weapon the greatsword you will be using the trait that improve the CD. This trait also gives you Fury which has synergy with that trait. Also other sources of fury (swap pet, survival skills when traited) will help to proc the trait.

The build to use with that trait would be: WS – MS – BM. Focused in power build ofc.

I don’t deny your build to be good and with internal synergy but then again I’d argue if it is actually so much better that you claim it to be….

Depends on what you are doing I guess.

If I use a LB as my main weapon in wvw, I take RtW over Remorseless easy.

Remorseless is mainly good for procing sigils or if you run a GS build.

I’d say it’s just a personal preference thing, though Remorseless is better in PvE as it also affects your second weaponset. For PvP I always go with Lead the Wind, just a better quality of life feat and makes you able to sit in Longbow for longer as those extra few seconds reduced on skills can make a difference. I also go steady focus as there are always times when solo ranked that you’re able to freecast for some secs and gain that % benefit.

Lord Trejgon.2809:

anduriell.6280:

Because the ranger have only one melee weapon the greatsword you will be using the trait that improve the CD. This trait also gives you Fury which has synergy with that trait. Also other sources of fury (swap pet, survival skills when traited) will help to proc the trait.

The build to use with that trait would be: WS – MS – BM. Focused in power build ofc.

I don’t deny your build to be good and with internal synergy but then again I’d argue if it is actually so much better that you claim it to be….

It would probably do better in a 1v1, where piercing has no effectiveness and where the opponent is constantly in your face so longbow loses effectiveness even more. Also, every reset of Opening Strike hits the same opponent and he regains them with a melee weapon every 10 seconds on top of other sources.

So the difference is between camping greatsword and camping longbow. So the difference is between 1v1 and team play. So maybe the difference is between PvP and WvW.

LtW in open world stuff, pve and pvp if i’m using LB. the piercing is too good to give up in those situations.

Predator’s in dungeons and fractals, mobs almost always have some type of movement condition on them so you get the dps increase often and piercing is less of a need.

Holland.9351:

So the difference is between camping greatsword and camping longbow.

That’s pretty much it. I see longbow more as my sustain weapon when fighting small groups, rapid fire is too easy for players to negate, I much prefer drawing out their dodges and then nailing them with a remorseless maul.

Most players expect rangers to be easy pickings once they get in melee range, I like surprising them.

Holland.9351:

That’s why the Opening Strike-reset-mechanic should be part of the minor traits rather than being an optional GM trait..

It should be both. Keep Remorseless and add a reset mechanic to the grandmaster minor that goes well with the other traits in the specialization.

Remorseless all the way over LtW btw.

Never MM in PvP. Worthless tree.

Chokolata.1870:

Never MM in PvP. Worthless tree.

Was thinking the same, actually.

The only thing worthwhile in the tree are 20% damage modifiers for PvE.

I personally think LtW is head and shoulders above relentless with the exception of solo roaming in WvW. I don’t camp longbow, but the piercing and cooldown reduction work very well into a burst rotation if you also take Quick Draw from the Skirmishing line.

Two piercing Rapid fires and a Barrage is about as strong as our AoE burst gets, and this combo also takes almost as long as a weapon swap cd to perform.

Thus my usual Dungeon/Fractal/WvW (non-solo roam) rotation goes: Rapid Fire -> Barrage -> Swap -> Maul -> Swoop -> Maul -> AA -> Swap -> Rapid Fire -> Barrage -> Rapid fire -> AA -> Repeat

It is a very good rotation that has served me well in almost all content (though Barrage is kind of weak to use in PvP modes other than zerg fights). The cooldown reduction allows Barrage (the NON-Quick draw skill) to come up faster which lets you get more dps out, and the piercing lets you burst entire groups of trash or single targets equally efficiently.

I can see builds that would prefer to use Remorseless, but in a general use sort of mindset… so long as you are using a longbow at all, LtW is better. Most individual strikes on the longbow aren’t that high unless you are camping at max range, so while some people may say that LtW doesn’t help your secondary set, Remorsless isn’t very good at helping your LB set. It does, just not nearly as much as it effects Maul or other large strike skills because except for straight PvP, you are either wanted to be or NEED to be in melee range.

Roaming? Remorseless. Burst matters. That is, if you are taking MM on a roaming spec.

Zerging? LtW. Piercing through the mob to kill your target while increasing your LB dmg by 100-500% depending on pierces.

Openworld PvE? LtW. Most major event bosses have more than one “limb”. Stand next to one limb, shoot the further limb, hit the boss twice, be amazing.

Dungeons? unless you need piercing for an encounter, PO. PO’s 10% damage bonus will carry over from your sword+axe rotation right through your LB rotation, and LB benefits even more when barrage is up.

Remorseless works wonderfully well in PvP if you use Crusader, Cavalier, or Valkyrie amulets along with GS and S/A.

You can hit like a full zerker, yet have high toughness. This takes quite a bit of practice and timing but Maul and path of scars become devastating.