I can’t honestly be the only one that is getting sick of everyone complaining about ranger being overpowered, and “neds nurf pl0x anet”. People need to wake up to themselves, rangers had it pretty tough for the past 2 years ~excluding a handful who could actually handle a fight~ and not until just recently have we been given the ability to actually effectively fight as a Profession and not just be seen as a ‘Free kill’ in the eyes of the community. Granted, it needs some polishing, such as the new PBS animation tell, but these are too be expected when a Class gets essentially a complete overhaul.
In my opinion, you have the Right to QQ about rangers if you so please, IF you’ve played ranger since launch and dealt with all the hate towards the Class.
I honestly think QQ is directly tied to the number of players playing that class. Warriors got buffs way back, and for months it was nonstop QQ about warriors. Then hammer nerfs, trait nerfs, healing signet nerfs, warriors aren’t as common and nobody complains anymore. I have this theory that it’s the same with ranger, because lets be honest, they are the only thing around right now due to the recent buffs. I kill people with my shortbow and they call me a LB noob. I kill them with my sword and they call me a LB noob (actually happened to me). Eventually the fair weathers who came just for the patch will leave and people will complain less because the class will be less prevalent. I look forward to that because I miss the compliments of killing people in wvw on my ranger, now all I get is raging kids calling me a noob because I play the new OP class. Makes me cry everytime =’(
It is not what you do, but how and why you do it that counts.
don’t worry Magnetic shield will be able to move soon, bane signet has a extra 1 sec and mesmers shatter are getting a extra torment making it harder to kite if you dont want more damage.
these minor balances are just fine tunes , the QQ will end or calm down soon enough as these fine tunes are implemented.
they should be complaining about me being on point with the valk tpvp lb, S+d build i use, with a warthog i tried yesterday they were not happy with that fear skull duration lol! the item drops on the floor they can see it and choose not to use any counter play , quite funny.
I honestly think QQ is directly tied to the number of players playing that class. Warriors got buffs way back, and for months it was nonstop QQ about warriors. Then hammer nerfs, trait nerfs, healing signet nerfs, warriors aren’t as common and nobody complains anymore. I have this theory that it’s the same with ranger, because lets be honest, they are the only thing around right now due to the recent buffs. I kill people with my shortbow and they call me a LB noob. I kill them with my sword and they call me a LB noob (actually happened to me). Eventually the fair weathers who came just for the patch will leave and people will complain less because the class will be less prevalent. I look forward to that because I miss the compliments of killing people in wvw on my ranger, now all I get is raging kids calling me a noob because I play the new OP class. Makes me cry everytime =’(
Beat me and you’re a try hard with no life.
Lose to me and you’re a scrub noob.
Beat me with a ranger and you’re a scrub noob? Ya, makes no sense to me either…
Rangers have been laughable for so long anything but the status quo feels like a crime against nature to some people…
It is crazy to me that a month ago my build was ”completely worthless and I was an idiot for playing it” and now my build is cheesy and ”OP”
I’ve started playing my second ranger that is specced for cond/regen a lot more often. No one calls that OP even though it is kitten near unbeatable in a 1v1. The only time someone did complain they said, ” keep pew pewing longbow noob.” I was playing s/d a/t….
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It’s pretty unavoidable and it will never go away. We have something which does give us a clear and un-matchable advantage – range. Obviously our range with the LB hasn’t changed but now that it’s a much more viable weapon people are feeling the impact of that long range much more.
It’s the same problem thieves have.. they could be nerfed into the ground and people would still call them OP simply because they have abusive levels of stealth which is hard or even impossible to counter in some cases.
So.. yeah. We have an annoying-to-fight-against mechanic (range) and there will always be people crying OP at it until it is 100% unusable like it was before. It will never change.
Cufufalating – Ranger / Part-Time Mesmer
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Mega burst with just 1 button, on long distance just with a pathetic easy Tab (nice gameplay) + invisibility (lollol thiger? rangief? wtf is that think?) + easy botpet for noobs unskilled + CC + GSkitteni’m a bird and others. This is just “normal”.
Look the warriors who have “cast without moving” with a sword … With a SWORD lol
Warrior need a longbow for fight it’s just NORMAL for a Wager or Rangior!!
Look all magicians RUNNING and THROWING fireballs and others. Magicians don’t cast and war need cast just NORMAL ^^.
LOOK RALLYBOT. (best pve feature in pvp since 2012 lol)
GW2 eSports and others is a fail this is not surprising. It is a severe lack of talent that there is here.
This is why Asian gamer dominate e-sports. NA and Eu gamers spend too much time QQ rather than using the tools given to them.
Take the Ranger lb buff, Ever class in the game has blocks and reflects (except necro who can just facetank rapid fire). If rapid fire is an instant win then it’s an instant lose button as well since all that damage can be reflected back at you.
Some say the change to pbs if proof something had to be done but really its all smoke. Pbs range is only which mean the ranger can stealth at 1200 close in and pbs you from stealth.
You want to know why anet spent time focusing on china because they will jump into e-sport without all the QQ.
In order to properly understand the big picture,
everyone should fear becoming mentally clouded and obsessed with one small section of truth.
It just highlights how uninformed/unskilled the player base is.
Rangers are still not viable in tpvp…
Still not viable.
Therefore the qq is completely without substance.
Ranger’s totally viable in PvP. I’d say the reason why you don’t see many rangers is because the current teams were formed when ranger was kinda bad, so they don’t have ranger players. But they do well in higher tier teamque and soloque.
TCG even swapped warrior for ranger. But people on these forums think that ranger = longbow. Try condi
Another thing is, on lower ratings peole QQ because they can’t dodge a rapid fire. On higher ratings, people QQ about rangers who just stand at 1.5k range autoattacking and that makes them think longobw is a bad weapon for bad players – there’s more to that build, you just don’t see that many good rangers around. Not to mentione ele’s so OP teams often take 2 of them, which greatly reduces the spot for other classes.
I honestly think QQ is directly tied to the number of players playing that class. Warriors got buffs way back, and for months it was nonstop QQ about warriors. Then hammer nerfs, trait nerfs, healing signet nerfs, warriors aren’t as common and nobody complains anymore. I have this theory that it’s the same with ranger, because lets be honest, they are the only thing around right now due to the recent buffs. I kill people with my shortbow and they call me a LB noob. I kill them with my sword and they call me a LB noob (actually happened to me). Eventually the fair weathers who came just for the patch will leave and people will complain less because the class will be less prevalent. I look forward to that because I miss the compliments of killing people in wvw on my ranger, now all I get is raging kids calling me a noob because I play the new OP class. Makes me cry everytime =’(
This is so true, the exact same thing happened to me just yesterday or the day before that this warrior kept spamming the chat with “22222222 noob” like rapid fire was the only skill in existance and just likehappened to you, he said it when I killed him with my sword too xD
Mega burst with just 1 button, on long distance just with a pathetic easy Tab (nice gameplay) + invisibility (lollol thiger? rangief? wtf is that think?) + easy botpet for noobs unskilled + CC + GSkitteni’m a bird and others. This is just “normal”.
Look the warriors who have “cast without moving” with a sword … With a SWORD lol
Warrior need a longbow for fight it’s just NORMAL for a Wager or Rangior!!
Look all magicians RUNNING and THROWING fireballs and others. Magicians don’t cast and war need cast just NORMAL ^^.
LOOK RALLYBOT. (best pve feature in pvp since 2012 lol)
GW2 eSports and others is a fail this is not surprising. It is a severe lack of talent that there is here.
So I tried running this through google translate and it still came back as gibberish. I’m guessing the poster is a bad warrior with a grudge against magicians?
I mean.. I guess I can see how magicians creep you out…
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Rangers were terrible for 2 years? I think everyone is forgetting the Beastmaster builds, like they always do like they always do to justify RF.
I have no problems with RF EXCEPT that it’s 1500 range. The damage is high but many other classes also have high damage. However, none of them can stand so far away from the fight and bust out this amount of damage. Except for killshot, which has a more visible animation and requires Adrenaline and thus, will not have the same short cooldown.
I think ranger is a good class now, that can hold its own. I just don’t find it fair that they can snipe targets with 6-12k damage standing somewhere completely safe. However, if Arenanet decides to change nothing, I’d accept it. Because there’s plenty of other over the top things on all classes bar a few.
RF is just like Kill Shot.
Kill Shot is a surprise attack, works wonders when you shoot someone who is occupied with something else.
Same goes for RF.
Any zerkbow ranger can be quickly killed because they have at max 1 stun breaker and that’s LR. I don’t even have to switch weapons because it’s enough to just time a knockdown (pet) and then Crippling Talon -> Serpent’s Strike -> Winter’s Bite -> SplitBlade -> Entangle. They won’t be able to escape because they either dodged 2 times to evade the first 2 or 3 skills or if they dodges entangle then they will be killed from what came before it.
Anyhow, whenever there is a group fight and I see arrows fly I immediately target the ranger and make him poop his pants.
Edit: Thieve’s aren’t any different, they can stealth, teleport to you for a backstab and teleport back. <— Very difficult to foresee
With rangers, the only thing you may have to use dodges for is RF, pet knockdown and/or PBS and those are very predictable.
I main a mesmer and necromancer. I used to have a ranger but i deleted it. I never enjoyed ranged weapons on the ranger. I always enjoyed greatsword because i thought it required better timing and more action.
From the perspective of a non ranger, i have no problem with the lb rangers because in a 1v1 scenario they always lose to my mesmer unless theyre good players. The frustrating thing is the abundance of them.
When you soloq and end up in a game against 2-3 rangers who run around together and pew pew kitten to death from across the map, that is when people qq.
Its a weapon that provides high reward and damage at a very low skill cap. I like the changes they made to gs and im thinking about rerolling another ranger. But the lb, such a frustratingly annoying weapon. The range…the damage…the cooldowns and the not to mention the channeled ability rapid shot that follows me into stealth and requires 2 dodges to fully avoid all that damage leaving me open to another knock back fear or immobolize from the pets lol. Its just annoying which is why i think people get angry and qq.
I dont think they needed to buff th lb that much. I wish they gave more love to less used weapons like the sword and offhand axe to encourage more variety amongst rangers.
If they nerf LB, they should at least give rangers some more utility and survivability buffs.
You mean like the ranger gets benefit from signets without a GM trait investment now (i.e. Signet of Stone)? How about the added evasion to Swoop?
How quickly people forget…
RF would have been fine IF that is all Rangers got on Sept 9th.
IMO, you could take RF off the longbow altogether and LB damage output/utility would be fine or have you all forgotten the 17% autoattack damage increase? I almost feel bad to my targets…almost.
My problem with Ranger is that if you aren’t using LB you are either playing a condition tank or haven’t realized how OP it is. Pets are still mucked up and clunky. Axe still needs an identity. Sword MH needs better pathing (anti-lag) even if it was a small teleport to target at the last split second. Crossfire (Shortbow main attack) needs to be boosted somehow to not always require flanking. Utilities (talking excessive traits to make them useful) need a review. And certain traits but not nearly as kittenome classes still need some help. yada yada yada
If they nerf LB, they should at least give rangers some more utility and survivability buffs.
You mean like the ranger gets benefit from signets without a GM trait investment now (i.e. Signet of Stone)?
That wasn’t additional utility; that was a balance fix. Signet actives affect all the other professions without needing any traits. Ranger inexplicably was the only profession which needed a GM trait to make the signet actives work like “normal”.
IMO, you could take RF off the longbow altogether and LB damage output/utility would be fine or have you all forgotten the 17% autoattack damage increase?
I disagree. You can make an argument that RF may have been boosted too much. But the skill definitely needed to be improved since it originally had lower DPS than autoattack without appreciable utility to offset the lower damage. The only time it made sense to use it was in groups (where the increased group DPS due to vulnerability offset the loss in ranger DPS), or at close range when autoattack’s damage was reduced. (OK, you could use it to continue hitting people who stealthed, but that required you to hit a lower-DPS skill before they entered stealth.) Outside of those cases, RF used to be a wasted skill slot.
When you soloq and end up in a game against 2-3 rangers who run around together and pew pew kitten to death from across the map, that is when people qq.
Sorry to pop the balloon but… 3 mesmer running together is the same, maybe worst than 2-3 ranger running in group. Mesmer has as much dps, if not more from range.
Same goes from 2-3 thieves… 2-3 S/X ele…. etc…
Anything that kills really fast in a group is just frustrating.
Im just going to point out that there is no % damage increase for auto attacks above the shorter portion of long range shot.
Medium range and long range of the long range shot skill are still the same Co-eds.
short range on the auto got the damage buff , so in no way did the lbs max range portion of the auto attack got a damage increase, the combo of Rtw and RF only produced a faster DPS.
