I can’t express how sad I am to read these patch notes, the 50% reduction to quickness is just a game ruining nerf for my berserker ranger, who I already struggled to keep on par with other classes in terms of damage output. The berserker ranger’s game revolves around quickness, I’m pretty sure I’ll have to completely respec with a whole new set of gear if I want to keep playing this class. Today is a very sad day for me, the saddest since I started playing in October.
My question to other glass cannon rangers, do you think there can still be competitive berserker builds or is glass cannon dead and buried for this class?
I’ll try to make mine revolve around dodging, but if it doesn’t work, I’ll have to give up on it.
The only reason I was able to make a berserker ranger work somewhat was because of quickness, which allowed me to burst out enemies before they could re-stealth over and over among other things. I won a fair amount of duels with it so it was not a completely useless build.
In comparison to other berserker builds, the damage is relatively pitiful without quickness. Longbow arrows will never connect on an enemy without quickness, the only way that the weapon was made somewhat viable.
Metsän Suojelija (guard)/Puun Halaaja (engi)/Pieni Musta Rotta (warrior)/Viher Rauha (necro)
I agree 100%, my beserker build was dependent on the quickness especially for the 4,3,2, longbow burst.
With my beserker armor and weapons, along with time spent, I have invested way too much to just walk away from the build, but I agree that the build is definitely weaker now. Most important thing with this build is keeping distance since we cannot down people quick with our kitten bursts anymore
Just did a quick test, where before I could use qz then get through rapid fire and almost all of barrage in the 4 seconds, now I just make it through rapid fire and start barrage before qz runs out… definitely a huge difference.
can barely get through 4,3,2 lb burst with qz before running out of quickness
Yup the only viable dps build for rangers has been crippled by the quickness nerf. GG Anet you have killed off the Ranger class completely. You have literally taken away our only viable dps build.
Meh, rangers were always better suited to cleric/knights or carrion/rabid gear in my opinion anyway. Leave the spiking to the classes.
None other could do such consistent damage from 1500 range though. I mean I would auto-attack for 4k and rapid fire for 15k, but without quickness, there’s no way you’re going to land anything unless they improve on arrows and targeting. Quickness just made those arrows fly at a speed they should have in the first place.
Metsän Suojelija (guard)/Puun Halaaja (engi)/Pieni Musta Rotta (warrior)/Viher Rauha (necro)
Not everyone wants to play trapper build or some other build, for us rangers who wanted a dps build from a distance this quickness nerf hurts. Adding one second does not even come close to compensating for the 50% nerf, like I said for those who regularly used qz before the update there will be a huge difference with the new quickness
Meh, rangers were always better suited to cleric/knights or carrion/rabid gear in my opinion anyway. Leave the spiking to the classes.
None other could do such consistent damage from 1500 range though. I mean I would auto-attack for 4k and rapid fire for 15k, but without quickness, there’s no way you’re going to land anything unless they improve on arrows and targeting. Quickness just made those arrows fly at a speed they should have in the first place.
To each his own, and I know Anet envisionaged every class able to play every role, but it can be reasonably concluded that certain classes perform certain roles better than others. For rangers damage, ranged or melee, is not one of them.
Also a quick question, did QZ actually increase the flight speed of LB arrows? I always thought it just fired a bunch of them so more actually hit. Kind of like a submachine-gun versus a semi-auto rifle.
What this does is give them ample room to change weapons that need it, e.g. Longbow. They have an opportunity now to decrease channel times/increase damage without making the skills overpowered. I think this will prove to be a good change in the long run; we just have to get the changes that this makes room for. Still, the nerf to quickness would definitely justify a 1 second increase to our pet swap trait, now that quickness is a great deal weaker.
What this does is give them ample room to change weapons that need it, e.g. Longbow. They have an opportunity now to decrease channel times/increase damage without making the skills overpowered. I think this will prove to be a good change in the long run; we just have to get the changes that this makes room for. Still, the nerf to quickness would definitely justify a 1 second increase to our pet swap trait, now that quickness is a great deal weaker.
You seem to forget SB has also been nerfed twice over now with this patch and its quickness nerf. They are crippling an already subpar dps build with this and you still say they are going to change the ranger for good? You are kidding right?
Are you literally so desperate that you will be happy with any change to the ranger even if they are nerfs? Are you literally going to keep saying “don’t worry guys they will make ranger good now”? You are deluded.
What this does is give them ample room to change weapons that need it, e.g. Longbow. They have an opportunity now to decrease channel times/increase damage without making the skills overpowered. I think this will prove to be a good change in the long run; we just have to get the changes that this makes room for. Still, the nerf to quickness would definitely justify a 1 second increase to our pet swap trait, now that quickness is a great deal weaker.
You seem to forget SB has also been nerfed twice over now with this patch and its quickness nerf. They are crippling an already subpar dps build with this and you still say they are going to change the ranger for good? You are kidding right?
Are you literally so desperate that you will be happy with any change to the ranger even if they are nerfs? Are you literally going to keep saying “don’t worry guys they will make ranger good now”? You are deluded.
Let me quote myself for a moment..
What this does is give them ample room to change weapons that need it
Ok, go petition for a shortbow fix now.
I am certainly not deluded enough to think that this fixes the game, but I think it’s a step in the right direction. Instagib damage doesn’t promote interesting play unless you are loaded up on stunbreakers. Global burst nerfing means they can buff individual skills more readily now, as well as tone down overpowered bunker skills on certain professions without worrying about huge backlash.
To each his own, and I know Anet envisionaged every class able to play every role, but it can be reasonably concluded that certain classes perform certain roles better than others. For rangers damage, ranged or melee, is not one of them.
Also a quick question, did QZ actually increase the flight speed of LB arrows? I always thought it just fired a bunch of them so more actually hit. Kind of like a submachine-gun versus a semi-auto rifle.
Probably it didn’t affect flight speed but it made using auto-attack and rapid fire actually worthwhile. Right now it’s just way too slow in comparison to the damage done.
I felt quite comfortable with the zerker ranger and the damage it did with quickness, but obviously now it’s useless. I’m not saying it was the greatest ranger build out there, but people were surprised to see a ranger do actual damage on them and it made for a fun, different build from the usual.
Metsän Suojelija (guard)/Puun Halaaja (engi)/Pieni Musta Rotta (warrior)/Viher Rauha (necro)
I agree 100%, my beserker build was dependent on the quickness especially for the 4,3,2, longbow burst.
With my beserker armor and weapons, along with time spent, I have invested way too much to just walk away from the build, but I agree that the build is definitely weaker now. Most important thing with this build is keeping distance since we cannot down people quick with our kitten bursts anymore
I’m in the same boat as Paz and I’m sure many others, I’ve invested a huge amount of time, laurels, gold, etc. on a berserker build that just can’t work anymore. The only thing I’m happy about is that this change came before I went for Kudzu.
I don’t know, I might take a break from the game for a little bit or mess around with my alts to get my dailies, I just don’t have the heart to start gearing all over again for a trapper or beastmaster-bunker, at least not immediately.
I was not so lucky, I have full ascended on mine. Been thinking for the past hour and just can’t find a viable way to make it work. But getting rid of all the equipment is not really an option either.
I’ll just leave it as it is in hopes that ranger bows get buffed someday, while playing other characters.
Metsän Suojelija (guard)/Puun Halaaja (engi)/Pieni Musta Rotta (warrior)/Viher Rauha (necro)
Yeah, seriously kittens over ranger in dungeons… The whole usefulness was based on having a lot of quickness and using that to do damage at least semi on par with other classes. Generous access to quickness was one of the few things ranger had going for it. Really happy about the GS buff, as I already used that in pvp and now it will be even better, but pretty depressed at the outlook of ranger in pve. Also, banners are so much ridiculously better than spirits now, it’s very sad.
I made a guardian a while back, think its time to shelf the ranger and see if I can focus on him, at this point it isn’t worth investing more time into my ranger build. Sad too, played ranger in gw1 and had no problems with the class.
If it makes you feel better, my thief (which I made after the shortbow nerf) feels this too – I was running quickness from signet, trait, and utility, so it’s going to require a complete rework too. It’s probably about the same as QZ + pet change haste (since that is available more frequently).
I’m sorry Rangers.
I suppose it wouldn’t help to mention that the animation bug that was there for rangers and “fixed” is still there for thieves?
What this does is give them ample room to change weapons that need it, e.g. Longbow. They have an opportunity now to decrease channel times/increase damage without making the skills overpowered. I think this will prove to be a good change in the long run; we just have to get the changes that this makes room for. Still, the nerf to quickness would definitely justify a 1 second increase to our pet swap trait, now that quickness is a great deal weaker.
You seem to forget SB has also been nerfed twice over now with this patch and its quickness nerf. They are crippling an already subpar dps build with this and you still say they are going to change the ranger for good? You are kidding right?
Are you literally so desperate that you will be happy with any change to the ranger even if they are nerfs? Are you literally going to keep saying “don’t worry guys they will make ranger good now”? You are deluded.
Let me quote myself for a moment..
What this does is give them ample room to change weapons that need it
Ok, go petition for a shortbow fix now.
I am certainly not deluded enough to think that this fixes the game, but I think it’s a step in the right direction. Instagib damage doesn’t promote interesting play unless you are loaded up on stunbreakers. Global burst nerfing means they can buff individual skills more readily now, as well as tone down overpowered bunker skills on certain professions without worrying about huge backlash.
You could stand to be a bit more polite.
The reason why people say you’re deluded is not because of the direction the game’s heading, but of how slow and how careless the developters address these issue.
You said there could be a sb or lb buff after the quickness nerf, but when?
Next month? 2 months later? 2014?
Players cannot wait forever, if the developters break a mechanic, they should conpensate it in other ways ASAP.
But we all know how slow and careless Anet now is…
So no-one can have their hope up…
Err…crazy banner buffs that make your spirit build look like even more of a joke?
go to the warrior forums…it currently looks worse than this one right now…I don’t think anyone is excited about banner buffs plus minor buffs to Kick and Rampage.
Frenzy caught a significantly larger nerf than QZ did.
Err…crazy banner buffs that make your spirit build look like even more of a joke?
go to the warrior forums…it currently looks worse than this one right now…I don’t think anyone is excited about banner buffs plus minor buffs to Kick and Rampage.
Frenzy caught a significantly larger nerf than QZ did.
No, in fact we actually took a harder hit to our dps than any other class.
Err…crazy banner buffs that make your spirit build look like even more of a joke?
go to the warrior forums…it currently looks worse than this one right now…I don’t think anyone is excited about banner buffs plus minor buffs to Kick and Rampage.
Frenzy caught a significantly larger nerf than QZ did.
Quickness nerf was uncalled for, period. That doesn’t change the fact that the banner buffs were substantial.
What made the QZ nerf worse for ranger is that’s your only source of burst which was not even on par with another class’ burst, and even that is now gone.
Err…crazy banner buffs that make your spirit build look like even more of a joke?
go to the warrior forums…it currently looks worse than this one right now…I don’t think anyone is excited about banner buffs plus minor buffs to Kick and Rampage.
Frenzy caught a significantly larger nerf than QZ did.
No, in fact we actually took a harder hit to our dps than any other class.
Ranger’s don’t take 50% more damage during their quickened state. Frenzy is now a full second (or 2 seconds, if traited) longer, with only half the benefit, but still with the extra damage taken.
I’m pretty sure Warriors would cry with joy if their quickness skill was in QZ’s current state.
Err…crazy banner buffs that make your spirit build look like even more of a joke?
go to the warrior forums…it currently looks worse than this one right now…I don’t think anyone is excited about banner buffs plus minor buffs to Kick and Rampage.
Frenzy caught a significantly larger nerf than QZ did.
No, in fact we actually took a harder hit to our dps than any other class.
Ranger’s don’t take 50% more damage during their quickened state. Frenzy is now a full second (or 2 seconds, if traited) longer, with only half the benefit, but still with the extra damage taken.
I’m pretty sure Warriors would cry with joy if their quickness skill was in QZ’s current state.
Roll a ranger, get to 80, and then come back. Warriors are far better and more versatile than rangers.
Err…crazy banner buffs that make your spirit build look like even more of a joke?
go to the warrior forums…it currently looks worse than this one right now…I don’t think anyone is excited about banner buffs plus minor buffs to Kick and Rampage.
Frenzy caught a significantly larger nerf than QZ did.
No, in fact we actually took a harder hit to our dps than any other class.
Ranger’s don’t take 50% more damage during their quickened state. Frenzy is now a full second (or 2 seconds, if traited) longer, with only half the benefit, but still with the extra damage taken.
I’m pretty sure Warriors would cry with joy if their quickness skill was in QZ’s current state.
Roll a ranger, get to 80, and then come back. Warriors are far better and more versatile than rangers.
You don’t seem to care about ‘versatility’….only DPS. And you don’t need to be confrontational, I’m simply providing an opinion and some information. But I’ll leave you to wallow in your grief.
Well I still must confirm this, but with QZ so called buff I think that my tank build is now useless, as if I didn’t have hard time to keep up with guardians before…
Yes….. very smart move add stun break to pure offensive skill…. Where’s logic? I say.
they probably were at anet like, ok we going to nerf hard QZ but to keep them happy lets add a stun break, they wont even notice it. They probably thing we are stupid or something
Add the fact that our wolf CC has been significantly reduced beserke builds are dead. The only thing we can do now is go condition. Might as well go tanky because no one can burst anymore.
Yes….. very smart move add stun break to pure offensive skill…. Where’s logic? I say.
they probably were at anet like, ok we going to nerf hard QZ but to keep them happy lets add a stun break, they wont even notice it. They probably thing we are stupid or something
You give these people too much credit. Just like the people that think governments are smart or competent enough to orchestrate huge conspiracies.
No, it’s not a trick; they’re that clueless about their own game. No one who’s played this class for more than an hour would implement these changes.
Yes….. very smart move add stun break to pure offensive skill…. Where’s logic? I say.
they probably were at anet like, ok we going to nerf hard QZ but to keep them happy lets add a stun break, they wont even notice it. They probably thing we are stupid or something
You give these people too much credit. Just like the people that think governments are smart or competent enough to orchestrate huge conspiracies.
No, it’s not a trick; they’re that clueless about their own game. No one who’s played this class for more than an hour would implement these changes.
i gave them the benefit of the doubt because i cant believe we the players know more about the game and ranger class that the own people that design, created and build this game. I just refuse to believe that…
I was not so lucky, I have full ascended on mine. Been thinking for the past hour and just can’t find a viable way to make it work. But getting rid of all the equipment is not really an option either.
I’ll just leave it as it is in hopes that ranger bows get buffed someday, while playing other characters.
Obviously I won’t salvage all my ascended gear, I’ll probably just bank my COF armor and invest all the karma I was saving up for Kudzu to get Rabid gear. I have the laurels to replace my amulet, I just need to farm fractals a bit for the rings.
I played around with my ranger in Frostgorge Sound last night, and to be honest I don’t think my LB/GS build is much worse off in PvE thanks to the GS buffs. It’s just totally ruined in WvW as I can’t land barrage anymore and it was my main source of damage. I only use greatsword to stay alive, you can’t go melee with a glass cannon ranger in PvP.
