Guild Wars 2

I’m level 24 FOTM (25 AR) and, in my experience, mesmers cause more Jade Maw mis-targets than rangers. Why do you think this is? And how come no one complains about it yet they loudly complain about Jade Maw targeting ranger pets?

Two reasons:

(1)
When I’m on my Mesmer and a clone gets popped, I summon a new one and my damage isn’t really impacted

When I’m on my Ranger and my pet gets targeted, I swap him out (if able). If not, he dies and now I have a long cooldown. This often results in the pet being dead and reducing the ranger’s effectiveness as their pet is a decent portion of a Ranger’s damage even if they are not beastmaster spec’d.

(2)
If we want Jade Maw to stop targeting illusions, Mesmer can simply stop creating them.

If we want Jade Maw to stop targeting Ranger pets, we have no option. Jade Maw targets Ranger pets even when they are already dead and Ranger’s can’t permanently stow a pet … any damage or combat action un-stows the pet.

Sebrent.3625:

Two reasons:

(1)
When I’m on my Mesmer and a clone gets popped, I summon a new one and my damage isn’t really impacted

When I’m on my Ranger and my pet gets targeted, I swap him out (if able). If not, he dies and now I have a long cooldown. This often results in the pet being dead and reducing the ranger’s effectiveness as their pet is a decent portion of a Ranger’s damage even if they are not beastmaster spec’d.

(2)
If we want Jade Maw to stop targeting illusions, Mesmer can simply stop creating them.

If we want Jade Maw to stop targeting Ranger pets, we have no option. Jade Maw targets Ranger pets even when they are already dead and Ranger’s can’t permanently stow a pet … any damage or combat action un-stows the pet.

1) No, that’s EXACTLY what people complain about. Because now JM fight takes longer as one of his “shots” were wasted on your clone. And if you stop creating clones you stop doing damage…don’t lie. You know you do. I thought shatter mesmer was the highest DPS build for your profession? Hmm….

2) First of all, my pets aren’t really dead that long. I said “if it really bothers the team I can leave it dead” but usually I don’t because it doesn’t get targeted enough to really matter. Ask the people I’ve saved and helped complete smooth runs with whether they’d rather play with me or someone else. I do just fine. That being said, the fact is that you don’t need MAX DPS for the JM fight. You just need teamwork and positioning. You also need stability to run and pick up crystals and rangers have a lot of stability / stun break / dodge / evade (shared anguish + stability training / RaO / SoR / LR / Swoop).

Let’s just list out the weaknesses of every profession? I mean, how come when a knockdown strikes the team and I’m the only one left standing to hit SoR and stand everyone up, how come people don’t say “WHOA THAT WAS COOL RANGERS ROCK”? Or when I rezzed your warrior pal who still needs to learn how to dodge? Search and Rescue has saved more new warriors in dungeons than I care to count.

Get off your high horse, please.

Calm down. You asked, so I gave you reasons.

(1) Shatter mesmer is great damage. Do you know what happens to my illusions on my Mesmer when I shatter them? They die. You know what doesn’t take hits from Jade Maw? Dead illusions.

(2) It isn’t uncommon for Jade Maw to target the pet multiple times in a row or even just multiple times in a 15 to 20 second span of time. The first time should be no problem as you can simply swap out the targeted pet. The next time, however, you can’t save the pet and it dies. Now your pet swap is on a 48 to 60 second cooldown. This is a large window with plenty of time for the Jade Maw to now kill your current pet, returning you to another 48 to 60 second cooldown once you can finally swap out your currently dead pet.

(3) As previously stated, dead pets can be targeted and nothing can be done about them being out. Dead illusions can not be targeted and there are several options for a Mesmer as far as how they bring them out and get rid of them.

(4) People are happy grouping with me on my Ranger. They are happier grouping with me on my Mesmer. They are first and foremost happy to have a good player in the group that knows the mechanics of the fights. They then prefer I’m on the class that they deem more beneficial for the group.

(5) While you don’t need to be at 100% of your dps potential, there is no reason to not be.

(6) In your example of being the only one not knocked down … unless you used RaO or Signet of the Wild with Signet Mastery with 30 points in Marksmanship, you didn’t have stability as a Ranger. As such, anyone could stunbreak or avoid a stun the same as you. Warrior’s are even better suited for this as they can fail to evade a stun and simply activate Balanced Stance with a 20 pt trait. Guardians are better for this as well since they can place a Consecration that gives them and their group stability in that area or they can spec for their virtue to give stability.

(7) If you want to talk about rezzing people … Search and Rescue is great when it doesn’t bug out, the pet is alive, something doesn’t kill the pet while it’s licking your friend, etc.. What’s often much more beneficial is Mass Invis, Shadow Refuge, Distortion, Endure Pain, and the plethora of Rez skills various classes have that are instant and often on a shorter cooldown than Search and Rescue. Easier to use, on a shorter cooldown, not dependent on a buggy AI being alive and working? Yeah, I’ll pick the Guardian/Ele/etc. rez utilities any day.

(8) We could list out the weaknesses of every class, but your original post starting this topic was asking why people complain about ranger pets on Jade Maw.

Chopps.5047:

Sebrent.3625:

Two reasons:

(1)
When I’m on my Mesmer and a clone gets popped, I summon a new one and my damage isn’t really impacted

When I’m on my Ranger and my pet gets targeted, I swap him out (if able). If not, he dies and now I have a long cooldown. This often results in the pet being dead and reducing the ranger’s effectiveness as their pet is a decent portion of a Ranger’s damage even if they are not beastmaster spec’d.

(2)
If we want Jade Maw to stop targeting illusions, Mesmer can simply stop creating them.

If we want Jade Maw to stop targeting Ranger pets, we have no option. Jade Maw targets Ranger pets even when they are already dead and Ranger’s can’t permanently stow a pet … any damage or combat action un-stows the pet.

1) No, that’s EXACTLY what people complain about. Because now JM fight takes longer as one of his “shots” were wasted on your clone. And if you stop creating clones you stop doing damage…don’t lie. You know you do. I thought shatter mesmer was the highest DPS build for your profession? Hmm….

2) First of all, my pets aren’t really dead that long. I said “if it really bothers the team I can leave it dead” but usually I don’t because it doesn’t get targeted enough to really matter. Ask the people I’ve saved and helped complete smooth runs with whether they’d rather play with me or someone else. I do just fine. That being said, the fact is that you don’t need MAX DPS for the JM fight. You just need teamwork and positioning. You also need stability to run and pick up crystals and rangers have a lot of stability / stun break / dodge / evade (shared anguish + stability training / RaO / SoR / LR / Swoop).

Let’s just list out the weaknesses of every profession? I mean, how come when a knockdown strikes the team and I’m the only one left standing to hit SoR and stand everyone up, how come people don’t say “WHOA THAT WAS COOL RANGERS ROCK”? Or when I rezzed your warrior pal who still needs to learn how to dodge? Search and Rescue has saved more new warriors in dungeons than I care to count.

Get off your high horse, please.

Whoa, what’s your problem? The guy just gave you a simple straight answer to what you asked. There’s no reason to be a jerk about it.

Chopps, here trolling or what? Eaten something bad today? Calm down or get lost.

wait people complain when an attack is wasted on jade maw? i dodge the beam all the time considering i usually back my self in a corner to kill tenticles, i only get 2 crystals to throw constantly once they are out i just dodge untill 1 of the 2 tenticles respawn when ever targeted. and when my pet gets targeted it is a pain in the kitten takes almost twice as long to kill the tenticles without a pet cause yours gets killed

if people complain about shots being wasted tell them to go kill the tenticles, each one killed damages the jade maw

OP is either trolling or thicker than bark skin.

You already got your reply on the first post. Simple: Mesmer illusions are easier to control. You can simply kill them off if you don’t want them to be targeted, and if you don’t mind that, and they get targeted and die, they still have far smaller cooldown than ranger pets.

Ranger pets can’t be controlled the same way. They can’t simply be “disabled” if we don’t want them to be targeted, and if they die it takes a hell of a lot longer to “respawn” them than a mesmer’s illusion/phantasm.

These are simply facts that answer your original question. Don’t bother getting super defensive, it doesn’t change the facts.

Dahkeus.8243:

Chopps.5047:

Sebrent.3625:

Two reasons:

(1)
When I’m on my Mesmer and a clone gets popped, I summon a new one and my damage isn’t really impacted

When I’m on my Ranger and my pet gets targeted, I swap him out (if able). If not, he dies and now I have a long cooldown. This often results in the pet being dead and reducing the ranger’s effectiveness as their pet is a decent portion of a Ranger’s damage even if they are not beastmaster spec’d.

(2)
If we want Jade Maw to stop targeting illusions, Mesmer can simply stop creating them.

If we want Jade Maw to stop targeting Ranger pets, we have no option. Jade Maw targets Ranger pets even when they are already dead and Ranger’s can’t permanently stow a pet … any damage or combat action un-stows the pet.

1) No, that’s EXACTLY what people complain about. Because now JM fight takes longer as one of his “shots” were wasted on your clone. And if you stop creating clones you stop doing damage…don’t lie. You know you do. I thought shatter mesmer was the highest DPS build for your profession? Hmm….

2) First of all, my pets aren’t really dead that long. I said “if it really bothers the team I can leave it dead” but usually I don’t because it doesn’t get targeted enough to really matter. Ask the people I’ve saved and helped complete smooth runs with whether they’d rather play with me or someone else. I do just fine. That being said, the fact is that you don’t need MAX DPS for the JM fight. You just need teamwork and positioning. You also need stability to run and pick up crystals and rangers have a lot of stability / stun break / dodge / evade (shared anguish + stability training / RaO / SoR / LR / Swoop).

Let’s just list out the weaknesses of every profession? I mean, how come when a knockdown strikes the team and I’m the only one left standing to hit SoR and stand everyone up, how come people don’t say “WHOA THAT WAS COOL RANGERS ROCK”? Or when I rezzed your warrior pal who still needs to learn how to dodge? Search and Rescue has saved more new warriors in dungeons than I care to count.

Get off your high horse, please.

Whoa, what’s your problem? The guy just gave you a simple straight answer to what you asked. There’s no reason to be a jerk about it.

I think you’re reading too much into my words. Maybe my writing style comes off like that but if you heard me talk, you’d see a lot of that isn’t insulting. Really, it’s sarcasm. I guess I need to use /s more?

Help me out here. Where was I being a jerk? I know she answered my question with a straightforward answer but it just so happens that I disagree with part of what she said.
What’s wrong with that? There’s no need for white knighting here.

Chopps.5047

Get off your high horse, please.

Here. This is exactly where you sounded like a jerk. It’s not getting on a high horse to answer someone’s question or reply in a discussion with no personal attacks.

Back on topic: Sebrent is right in that mesmer clones are easier to control. Also, don’t forget that they are non-permanent, even if you don’t shatter. They’ll just disappear after your current target is dead. However, I think the problem extends more from: 1) a dead pet removes a portion of a ranger’s usefulness for a longer period than a dead clone and 2) pets can be targeted by the maw’s beam even when they’re already down. Personally, I find the 2nd point to be more annoying than “game breaking” or anything of the sort, but that’s what the major gripe seems to be.

Additionally, lots of folks say there’s no recourse to a dead pet in the maw’s area, but you can back into the corner near the entry point for a few seconds to get out of combat and stow your pet. It only works if you’re not in the middle of a long cooldown, removes you from the battle while you’re doing it, doesn’t prevent your pet from popping right back out again when you go back, and doesn’t prevent the maw from knocking it right back down…but it helps…a little -_-

Chopps.5047:

Dahkeus.8243:

Chopps.5047:

Sebrent.3625:

Two reasons:

(1)
When I’m on my Mesmer and a clone gets popped, I summon a new one and my damage isn’t really impacted

When I’m on my Ranger and my pet gets targeted, I swap him out (if able). If not, he dies and now I have a long cooldown. This often results in the pet being dead and reducing the ranger’s effectiveness as their pet is a decent portion of a Ranger’s damage even if they are not beastmaster spec’d.

(2)
If we want Jade Maw to stop targeting illusions, Mesmer can simply stop creating them.

If we want Jade Maw to stop targeting Ranger pets, we have no option. Jade Maw targets Ranger pets even when they are already dead and Ranger’s can’t permanently stow a pet … any damage or combat action un-stows the pet.

1) No, that’s EXACTLY what people complain about. Because now JM fight takes longer as one of his “shots” were wasted on your clone. And if you stop creating clones you stop doing damage…don’t lie. You know you do. I thought shatter mesmer was the highest DPS build for your profession? Hmm….

2) First of all, my pets aren’t really dead that long. I said “if it really bothers the team I can leave it dead” but usually I don’t because it doesn’t get targeted enough to really matter. Ask the people I’ve saved and helped complete smooth runs with whether they’d rather play with me or someone else. I do just fine. That being said, the fact is that you don’t need MAX DPS for the JM fight. You just need teamwork and positioning. You also need stability to run and pick up crystals and rangers have a lot of stability / stun break / dodge / evade (shared anguish + stability training / RaO / SoR / LR / Swoop).

Let’s just list out the weaknesses of every profession? I mean, how come when a knockdown strikes the team and I’m the only one left standing to hit SoR and stand everyone up, how come people don’t say “WHOA THAT WAS COOL RANGERS ROCK”? Or when I rezzed your warrior pal who still needs to learn how to dodge? Search and Rescue has saved more new warriors in dungeons than I care to count.

Get off your high horse, please.

Whoa, what’s your problem? The guy just gave you a simple straight answer to what you asked. There’s no reason to be a jerk about it.

I think you’re reading too much into my words. Maybe my writing style comes off like that but if you heard me talk, you’d see a lot of that isn’t insulting. Really, it’s sarcasm. I guess I need to use /s more?

Help me out here. Where was I being a jerk? I know she answered my question with a straightforward answer but it just so happens that I disagree with part of what she said.
What’s wrong with that? There’s no need for white knighting here.

Well thing is being sarcastic is one thing, being sarcastic and WRONG is another.

Like this example.

“1) No, that’s EXACTLY what people complain about. Because now JM fight takes longer as one of his “shots” were wasted on your clone. And if you stop creating clones you stop doing damage…don’t lie. You know you do. I thought shatter mesmer was the highest DPS build for your profession? Hmm….”

You were being sarcastic about shatter mesmer being a strong dmg build and implying that they must have clones out. Totally missing whole point of what a shatter mesmer does with said clones. Create them and “Shatter” them to get the dmg.

Moddo.7105:

Chopps.5047:

Dahkeus.8243:

Chopps.5047:

Sebrent.3625:

Two reasons:

(1)
When I’m on my Mesmer and a clone gets popped, I summon a new one and my damage isn’t really impacted

When I’m on my Ranger and my pet gets targeted, I swap him out (if able). If not, he dies and now I have a long cooldown. This often results in the pet being dead and reducing the ranger’s effectiveness as their pet is a decent portion of a Ranger’s damage even if they are not beastmaster spec’d.

(2)
If we want Jade Maw to stop targeting illusions, Mesmer can simply stop creating them.

If we want Jade Maw to stop targeting Ranger pets, we have no option. Jade Maw targets Ranger pets even when they are already dead and Ranger’s can’t permanently stow a pet … any damage or combat action un-stows the pet.

1) No, that’s EXACTLY what people complain about. Because now JM fight takes longer as one of his “shots” were wasted on your clone. And if you stop creating clones you stop doing damage…don’t lie. You know you do. I thought shatter mesmer was the highest DPS build for your profession? Hmm….

2) First of all, my pets aren’t really dead that long. I said “if it really bothers the team I can leave it dead” but usually I don’t because it doesn’t get targeted enough to really matter. Ask the people I’ve saved and helped complete smooth runs with whether they’d rather play with me or someone else. I do just fine. That being said, the fact is that you don’t need MAX DPS for the JM fight. You just need teamwork and positioning. You also need stability to run and pick up crystals and rangers have a lot of stability / stun break / dodge / evade (shared anguish + stability training / RaO / SoR / LR / Swoop).

Let’s just list out the weaknesses of every profession? I mean, how come when a knockdown strikes the team and I’m the only one left standing to hit SoR and stand everyone up, how come people don’t say “WHOA THAT WAS COOL RANGERS ROCK”? Or when I rezzed your warrior pal who still needs to learn how to dodge? Search and Rescue has saved more new warriors in dungeons than I care to count.

Get off your high horse, please.

Whoa, what’s your problem? The guy just gave you a simple straight answer to what you asked. There’s no reason to be a jerk about it.

I think you’re reading too much into my words. Maybe my writing style comes off like that but if you heard me talk, you’d see a lot of that isn’t insulting. Really, it’s sarcasm. I guess I need to use /s more?

Help me out here. Where was I being a jerk? I know she answered my question with a straightforward answer but it just so happens that I disagree with part of what she said.
What’s wrong with that? There’s no need for white knighting here.

Well thing is being sarcastic is one thing, being sarcastic and WRONG is another.

Like this example.

“1) No, that’s EXACTLY what people complain about. Because now JM fight takes longer as one of his “shots” were wasted on your clone. And if you stop creating clones you stop doing damage…don’t lie. You know you do. I thought shatter mesmer was the highest DPS build for your profession? Hmm….”

You were being sarcastic about shatter mesmer being a strong dmg build and implying that they must have clones out. Totally missing whole point of what a shatter mesmer does with said clones. Create them and “Shatter” them to get the dmg.

How long does it take to create them and shatter them? Is it something you can do faster than JM’s attacks? Because most mesmers I’ve played with have ended up getting clones targeted by JM. It happens to engineer turrents and necro/ele minions too. The point was that everyone knows there’s problems with pets but you guys, I think, search too far for things to whine about.

mesmers can stop creating illusions, rangers can’t stowe the pet.
Dps is unimportant in the jade maw, so you dont need illusions nor the pet.

What’s funny is, because o this, your party would probably be FASTER by 4 manning the maw. Just log off, and reenter a few minutes later. You just saved everyone some time.

Mesmer can quickly summon 3 illusions and shatter them in 2 seconds or less given the right build.

Please stop feeding the troll guys. I answered his question and he is still trying to troll.

If you question whether or not he is a troll, simply take a look at previous posts by that username. It is full of unhelpful, combative posts.